Jesus lied, and cannot be trusted!

Jesus lied, and cannot be trusted!

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Tony

Australia

#1 Aug 28, 2009
Ten years ago I came to Christ by faith.

However, now I cannot follow or believe in Jesus anymore, and I will tell you all why.

Jesus said he would give me rest when I come to
him. Matthew 11:28. Yet that was a lie because I have had much unrest once coming to Jesus, and my life has been a lot of trouble and I have never had a single day or night with peace or rest since coming to Jesus.

Secondly, the truth is Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for ANYTHING through prayer and receive it. He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it. This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer.

"....And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it.(John 14:13-14 NAB

But that was a lie too because I have asked "anything" and many things in Jesus' name and nothing happened.

So if Jesus is shown to be a liar once, then he cannot be trusted when He says in John 14:1-3 that he will come back for us to take us to heaven.

That's why I have no peace and no rest and cannot believe in Jesus anymore... I cannot believe anymore someone who has lied :-(

A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible and taught me to ignore it too.

They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else.

But if you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was a habitual liar.
Tony

Australia

#2 Aug 28, 2009
Jesus lied here too:

...ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you.(John 15:7 NAB)
Tony

Australia

#3 Aug 28, 2009
Lie not one to another. Colossians 3:9

Jesus promised his followers in no uncertain terms that he would soon return in glory and vindication. He vowed to redeem their suffering and to establish the Kingdom of God* on earth.. To heighten their expectations he assured his followers that most of them would live to see
all of this come to pass. His failure to do so places Christians on the horns of a serious dilemma by exposing him as a false prophet.
Tony

Australia

#4 Aug 28, 2009
Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that he lied:

1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain,`Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.(Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)

3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.(Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)

4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain,'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours.(Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.(Luke 11:9-13 NAB)

6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it.(John 14:13-14 NAB)

7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you.(John 15:7 NAB)

8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you.(John 15:16 NAB)

9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete.(John 16:23-24 NAB)

If anyone can explain these lies, then go right ahead. I would be interested.
Tony

Australia

#5 Aug 28, 2009
Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that he lied:

1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain,`Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.(Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)

3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.(Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)

4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain,'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours.(Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.(Luke 11:9-13 NAB)

6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it.(John 14:13-14 NAB)

7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you.(John 15:7 NAB)

8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you.(John 15:16 NAB)

9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete.(John 16:23-24 NAB)

If anyone can explain these lies, then go right ahead. I would be interested.
HEY

Sun City, FL

#7 Aug 28, 2009
Tony wrote:
...If anyone can explain these lies, then go right ahead. I would be interested.

Yeah, I can explain it. Your rant here in this thread is a complete display of what YOU have misunderstood.

You are to ask ACCORDING TO HIS WILL. His will is quite obviously what you don't understand.

Jesus Christ, The Lord of all Creation, The one who commands us that we should not lie, has not lied.

Your rant tells me that you have never understood what James wrote in James 4:3 "You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures."

Either you asked for something amiss, or out of selfishness, or perhaps God did not jump through your hoops in your timing.

With the temper tantrum that you have displayed here, I am not surprised that you did not get what you asked for.
HEY

Sun City, FL

#8 Aug 28, 2009
BTW,
All of those verses that you posted...they work for me.
Jesus Is

Doncaster, Australia

#9 Aug 28, 2009
Tony wrote:
Ten years ago I came to Christ by faith.
However, now I cannot follow or believe in Jesus anymore, and I will tell you all why.
Jesus said he would give me rest when I come to
him. Matthew 11:28. Yet that was a lie because I have had much unrest once coming to Jesus, and my life has been a lot of trouble and I have never had a single day or night with peace or rest since coming to Jesus.
YOU HAVEN'T DIED YET!!!!!!!!
Jesus was promising rest when you physically come to him. It is not God's goal to make us all comfortable on earth! If we were all perfectly comfortable during our lives and never got ill never got hungry, never suffered and never died, then no one would ever seek God. He'd be defeating Himself!
Tony

Australia

#10 Aug 28, 2009
Ken wrote:
<quoted text>
Tony,
It saddens me to see this post you have written.
SATAN IS A LIAR...NOT JESUS...
Ken, I appreciate your comments. However, the truth is that Jesus said in Mat 11:28 that He will give me rest if I came to Him. This verse is clear, no misunderstandings about that.

But the truth is, once I came to Jesus, I never received rest, contrary since and today I have a lot of UNREST.

If Jesus lied even once, then I cannot trust Him in anything else he says.
Tony

Australia

#11 Aug 28, 2009
HEY wrote:
<quoted text>
...
You are to ask ACCORDING TO HIS WILL...
Your comment is a lie. The verse never says, "whatever you ask in God's will, it will be done".

The verses say that whatever we ask, it will be done.

Besides, I have asked many things that were not selfish governed, for example, I asked God to heal a 5 year old boy who had cancer. Yet he died!

I asked God to give me rest, yet I have unrest

I asked God to help me become a better person and give me ability to share gospel more, yet I have deteriorated.

I have asked God to help me deal with certain sins so I can focus more on becoming more like Jesus, yet it never happened.

I have asked that young children who are sexually abused to be rescued, yet God does nothing about it, proving those biblical verses are lies.

Because surely you don't claim that child sexual assault is God's will do you????
Tony

Australia

#12 Aug 28, 2009
Jesus Is wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU HAVEN'T DIED YET!!!!!!!!
Jesus was promising rest when you physically come to him. It is not God's goal to make us all comfortable on earth! If we were all perfectly comfortable during our lives and never got ill never got hungry, never suffered and never died, then no one would ever seek God. He'd be defeating Himself!
Your answer doesn't do away with the fact then that Jesus lied, because He said WHATEVER we ask in His name, it shall be done. But that's a lie and you know it.
Drew

Oswego, IL

#14 Aug 28, 2009
Tony wrote:
Ten years ago I came to Christ by faith.
However, now I cannot follow or believe in Jesus anymore, and I will tell you all why.
Jesus said he would give me rest when I come to
him. Matthew 11:28. Yet that was a lie because I have had much unrest once coming to Jesus, and my life has been a lot of trouble and I have never had a single day or night with peace or rest since coming to Jesus.
Secondly, the truth is Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for ANYTHING through prayer and receive it. He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it. This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer.
"....And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it.(John 14:13-14 NAB
But that was a lie too because I have asked "anything" and many things in Jesus' name and nothing happened.
So if Jesus is shown to be a liar once, then he cannot be trusted when He says in John 14:1-3 that he will come back for us to take us to heaven.
That's why I have no peace and no rest and cannot believe in Jesus anymore... I cannot believe anymore someone who has lied :-(
A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible and taught me to ignore it too.
They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else.
But if you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was a habitual liar.
Remember my response to u in a different post, Tony? You asked me what I meant by being a follower of Jesus? I responded,
"I am like the woman that pushed her way through the crowd just to get as close as possible, to grab onto something that confirmed my belief.
I have gone from one struggle to another in life. Only Jesus has offered me rest. When I focus on Jesus and what He has done for me, it brings me to tears of joy.
This is a sick and dying world Tony, and there is only one cure."
--------I came to believe in Jesus 5 years ago. I read the Bible and then i would lose my faith, I would read some more and then I would fall back to my old habits. This continued for 4 years and it was very frustrating. But, I learned so much from my brothers and sisters in Christ.
-------Number 1 is to give all glory to God. We can become too prideful at times and feel like we are to do Jesus' work for him. When in fact only Jesus has the power to give us new life. Or attribute our success to ourselves when in fact we can do nothing without the blood of Jesus. "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." Romans 8:1
--------I pray for you Tony because I know u have a heart for Jesus. I pray that u would find the peace not as the world offers, but true peace that Jesus offers.
----------If u would like to talk more, you can reach me at every mans battle.
Drew

Oswego, IL

#15 Aug 28, 2009
HEY wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, I can explain it. Your rant here in this thread is a complete display of what YOU have misunderstood.
You are to ask ACCORDING TO HIS WILL. His will is quite obviously what you don't understand.
Jesus Christ, The Lord of all Creation, The one who commands us that we should not lie, has not lied.
Your rant tells me that you have never understood what James wrote in James 4:3 "You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures."
Either you asked for something amiss, or out of selfishness, or perhaps God did not jump through your hoops in your timing.
With the temper tantrum that you have displayed here, I am not surprised that you did not get what you asked for.
Remember the thread I started when I became irritated with being attacked by atheists?
You were spot on with your response and I believe it applies here in a little different way.

"Drew, God is in control. Even in cyberspace."
Drew

Oswego, IL

#16 Aug 28, 2009
Tony wrote:
Ten years ago I came to Christ by faith.
However, now I cannot follow or believe in Jesus anymore, and I will tell you all why.
Jesus said he would give me rest when I come to
him. Matthew 11:28. Yet that was a lie because I have had much unrest once coming to Jesus, and my life has been a lot of trouble and I have never had a single day or night with peace or rest since coming to Jesus.
Secondly, the truth is Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for ANYTHING through prayer and receive it. He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it. This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer.
"....And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it.(John 14:13-14 NAB
But that was a lie too because I have asked "anything" and many things in Jesus' name and nothing happened.
So if Jesus is shown to be a liar once, then he cannot be trusted when He says in John 14:1-3 that he will come back for us to take us to heaven.
That's why I have no peace and no rest and cannot believe in Jesus anymore... I cannot believe anymore someone who has lied :-(
A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible and taught me to ignore it too.
They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else.
But if you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was a habitual liar.
My original post was removed apparently, But what I wanted to tell u Tony is I'm praying for you. Hang in there. I pray that you will find peace, not as the world offers it to you, but the peace that Jesus offers.
Drew

Oswego, IL

#17 Aug 28, 2009
Seentheotherside wrote:
<quoted text>
That's it, throw on the pressure to keep him spiritually blind for your evil demon master. Maybe try some of that eternal burning FEAR mongering you're so good at. I mean it's the best way to keep him brainwashed, through FEAR.
Now is your chance to gain a follower Seen.
Tony

Australia

#18 Aug 28, 2009
Drew wrote:
<quoted text>
...Only Jesus has offered me rest....
Drew, I am happy for you that you have been given rest.

But in the last week I have come to a place in my life that I need to be totally honest with myself and others and have come to realise that I do not believe in Jesus and Jesus has not worked for me and Jesus lied about many things, e.g. Mat 11:28 etc..

And the truth is, I do not believe in Jesus anymore, and I cannot trust in Jesus when He lied and has never given me rest or peace. In fact, the truth is, since 10 years ago when I came to Christ, my life has been agony and total unrest and I live each day with mental and emotional torture.

And the times I thought God was leading me to people who are genuine Christians who can teach me how to love others and teach me how to walk as a Christian, they all betrayed me and were just as phony as I am.

I have to be totally honest with myself and everyone else. And over the last week I have realised that I am the one who is a fake, phony and impostor. I have no faith for God or Jesus and I do not live what I preach.

I am a fake, a broken man who has lost all faith.

And the more I prayed and the more I asked Jesus to give me rest, the more frustrated and hopeless I have become. I no longer have faith, it's dead now as I am dead.
Ken

Traverse City, MI

#19 Aug 28, 2009
Tony, Maybe this will help you. I pray that it does. This is my testimony.

God Is Urging Us To Finish The Race

2 Timothy 4: 7-8
7I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.

I Do Not Like To Be Tested

Statistics show that for every 10 persons who give their life to Christ 80-90% fall away from their faith and do not remain in it when life's tests come at them. That means only one or two really have had a life changing conversion and truly has been filled by the Holy Spirit. The rest have only tested the waters to see if this faith works and will make life easier and take their problems away. They then become back-sliders- They lose their love for Jesus Christ. Look at what the Bible says about losing your love for Christ:

Revelation 2: 1-5 1"To the angel of the church in Ephesus write:
These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands:(Scripture is revealing this is Jesus who is speaking.)2I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. 3You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary. 4Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken your first love. 5Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.

The Scripture above can be describing anyone of us. Jesus is urging us to remain strong in faith and strong in love for Him. Some first came into belief in Christ because they wanted what the Bible promises, such as: love, peace, joy, happiness, etc. But when trials and tribulations come, they blame God, and they say the Christian faith does not work. This saddens me because those that back-slide in faith have missed the big picture- they have taken their eyes off of the BIG PRIZE.

John 3: 16 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Revelation 21: 4 4He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.

My Confession
I first wrote this section right after this event took place in my life (April 2007). Shortly thereafter,my brother Greg who helped write the "Psalms Written to Our Lord" chapter on this web-site passed away from cancer after six month from being diagnosed with this horrific disease. My time of testing lasted six years and since June 2007, God has begun pouring out His blessings on my family, our finances, and me.

God is good and He has brought me through this long season of testing. It was not easy, but with my wife, my kids, and myself relying on God's strength, and not our own strength, we have made it through this hard, hard season. Thank you Father God and my Lord Jesus for being with me. I know you always are, but in my weakness, I sometimes fail to see it.

to be Continued
Ken

Traverse City, MI

#20 Aug 28, 2009
I resisted writing this chapter. I came close to erasing it a few times. I am embarrassed to air my dirty laundry for all to see. I do not like to show my weakness. But my love for God is giving me strength to let you read this.

This chapter was a bold undertaking. The subject of personal suffering for Christ is not a popular subject in America any longer.

Philippians 1: 29 29For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for him, 30since you are going through the same struggle you saw I had, and now hear that I still have.

It is a subject most churches in America, as well as in the industrial nations of Europe, and along with Canada shy away from and do not talk about at their pulpits. The fear of offending someone and political correctness have made our pulpits preach "Feel Good" topics mostly, and most will not tackle controversial matter. That is not the Bible. The Bible is controversial and so is Jesus. The Bible and Jesus is hated in this fallen world we live in.

Because most of my audience lives in America, but also in Europe and Canada, they do not want to hear or read about pain that is taught in the Bible. We live in a culture that wants pleasure all the time. Many of our television Evangelists are preaching the "Prosperity Message" because we want to be rich and pain free (with no trials or troubles whatsoever) and we have bought into it. We do not like pain. We do not like suffering. We want, We want, and We want. THIS IS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES!

All we have to do to know this for sure is look in the word of God. We know what happened to the apostles. They died a martyr's death for their faith in Jesus Christ. They had no mansions and no money, but God did provide for them.

What about Job? Could I, as an American, go through what Job did and keep my faith in my Redeemer? Could I go through what Job did and hold my tongue and not get angry with God? I always thought I could. Recently though, I failed. Two weeks ago, I got angry and I yelled at God for the first time.

My finances have been bad for about six years now. Before 1997, when I was only a babe in Christ... life was easy, I was blessed. I was making over $100,000 annually. I was saving money. I could afford to buy anything I wanted. No problems, no worries.

Then God got a hold of me, and my faith exploded. God worked miracles in my life and I wanted him more than anything. As my faith grew, I began to study the Bible, and more importantly, share my faith in Jesus Christ in many different ways. I always looked for a door opening to share my faith with family and friends, and even strangers.

It seemed overnight, things began to change for my family and I. Like a light switch, in one years time, my income was cut in more than half. I could not even plan for this it happened so fast. I could no longer save money. My credit card debt grew and grew (thank God all at low interest rates). Because of my own foolishness, I have made a mess of my finances and as I write this, they are very bleak. During these six years of trouble, I have gotten my strength from the Bible. I have and still do trust God that he will provide. My joy came from the assurance that I knew I will live in heaven forever. This was (and is) the prize I seek and which gives me joy.

Ken

Traverse City, MI

#21 Aug 28, 2009
The timing for when, for first time ever, I got angry with God is interesting. I meet every Friday evening with a group of men from my church. We discuss, study, pray, and have fellowship together and it is a wonderful time of sharing. This particular night, we were discussing if any of us ever has gotten angry with God. I was the only one who never had experienced this. The other men all confessed they had experienced anger with God. This is true, up until this night, I really never felt angry with God.

I do know this about me now. In my pride, I always thought no matter what- no matter what Satan threw at me, I would be like Job--I would persevere through all my troubles. That changed in an instant three days after my Friday night men's group, and that instant is all the time Satan needed. I was already edgy making decisions that effected our finances, and this Monday...every time the business phone rang... instead of making me money...it was costing me money. I felt what is the use? Why keep on trying growing in the Lord? Why share my faith with others when all I get from it is pain. Life was much easier when I was a babe in Christ...doing no work for his Kingdom. Satan left me alone when God and peoples salvation wasn't my priority. I started yelling at the one I love- my God.

I know the truth, the Bible never says life will be easy. There are no promises for Christian or for that matter the non-believer that life will be easy. Both have problems. Each day will bring problems of their own.

Matthew 6: 33-34 33But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

Problems do come to us all. Jesus promise to always be with us, and asks us to lean on him- especially in our times of trouble.

It took me the better part of two weeks to forgive myself for being angry with God. Jesus has once again forgiven my sin, taken my burdens, and has given my joy back to me. My problems still exist, but the burden is gone. It is Jesus who sustains me.

Is it worth it? Is it worth growing ones faith? Is it worth the pain and troubles that Satan sends to those who seek Jesus first, and work for his kingdom? The answer is YES! Would it be better for me to go back to the time when I was a babe in Christ and Satan left me alone? The answer is NO! It probably would be easier, but then I would lose out on the closest and best relationship I could ever have. I love my Jesus. He is my strength. Without him I am nothing.

I pray God has spoken to you in this chapter and that you will stay strong in the Lord no matter what happens and that you will finish the race. I pray you will be one of the 10-20% who will remain in their faith.

God loves you and so do I!
resident

Edison, NJ

#22 Aug 28, 2009
Tony wrote:
<quoted text>
Ken, I appreciate your comments. However, the truth is that Jesus said in Mat 11:28 that He will give me rest if I came to Him. This verse is clear, no misunderstandings about that.
But the truth is, once I came to Jesus, I never received rest, contrary since and today I have a lot of UNREST.
If Jesus lied even once, then I cannot trust Him in anything else he says.
And still you play the game. Surrender yourself to Christ Jesus and rely not on your own judgment.

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