Is the Bible always literally true or...

Is the Bible always literally true or correct?

Created by Big Al on Jun 16, 2014

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NDanger

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Since: Nov 10

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#1408 Jul 20, 2014
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Many a forum fundie thinks God Almighty Himself dictated the King James Bible immediately after creating enough light for the King James scribes to see what they were scribing. Subsequent manipulations; you know, like in the second and third century; have been attributed to Bible (presumably King James) hating heathens.
No offense, buck, but you've got a lot of certifiable goofballs in your corner.
You think I be buck?

Since: Jun 10

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#1409 Jul 20, 2014
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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It's a bit confusing to me. Low Earth Orbit clocks run fast so they must be adjusted for velocity effects. High orbit satellite clocks run slow so they must be adjusted for gravity effects. Beats me. I figure time is continuous and monotonic and don't really care who gets there first as long as I'm not late.
The way I see it; we are always here and everything is crossing and orbiting in its own direction at all levels of sizes and dimensions, but when things are coming back here, then we are all sharing the eternal “now” just here, but the eternal “now” exists everywhere into; eternity.
This is to my opinion the reason why some fundamentalists are unable to grasp the idea of eternity; they are too much concerned about clocks, calendars and the orbiting of the moon and the sun, and the flow of water in the rivers.

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#1410 Jul 21, 2014
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Many a forum fundie thinks God Almighty Himself dictated the King James Bible immediately after creating enough light for the King James scribes to see what they were scribing. Subsequent manipulations; you know, like in the second and third century; have been attributed to Bible (presumably King James) hating heathens.
No offense, buck, but you've got a lot of certifiable goofballs in your corner.
At least they don't have a bunch of certifiable liars and pretenders like you in their corner.
tú balbh asal

NDanger

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Since: Nov 10

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#1411 Jul 21, 2014
Big Al wrote:
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Apperantly you are not aware of the fact that the Old Testament existed in Jesus' day and was cosidered to be the word of God by the Jewish priests (Bible experts) of his day.
Apparently you don't realize the "Bible" wasn't compiled until the fourth (4th) Century...
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#1412 Jul 21, 2014
Mr Ironhart wrote:
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The concept of time has been linked up to clocks in such a way that we cannot any more understand the reality of time.
Every tiny particle in the universe exists with its own time, its own direction and length but still depending on and interacting with all the rest.
Gravity will interact with time and bend time in the large scale.
Light is a position of matter and energy where it seems to pop in and out of time; that is, the way we usually see it.
This is of course interesting knowing that light has a certain speed going thru space.
The most stable position of time within our position in space-time nevertheless seems to be “now” or this moment that we all are living in; everything seems to be moving in its own direction within “now”.
I think your very esoteric explantion of time demonstrates the difficulty of comprehending anything outside of our ordinary human concepts of existence and time. The ordinary human concept of time has always been connected to motion - the apparent motion of the sun (a day) or the stars (a year) or sand in an hour glass (minutes and hours).

The ordinary human concept of existence implies existence in time. To exist means "to be". In language there are only three states of "being" - is, was or will be (present, past and future). There is no conjugation of the verb "to be" that does not imply existence in the past present or future because everything that exists in the real world exists within time. The ordinary human concept of existence is inextricably connected to the ordinary human concept of time.

To say that "God" existed before "He" created time is self-contradictory because the word before implies that "God" existed within a point in time.

NDanger

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#1413 Jul 21, 2014
Big Al wrote:
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So you are arrogant enough to claim to be able to comprehend a "God" that does not exist within time. So explain existence outside of time.
"These difficulties arise because we with our finite mind discuss the infinite, attributing to the latter properties derived from the finite and limited. This, however, is not justifiable; for the attributes great, small, and equal are not applicable to the infinite..." - Galileo Galilei
Galileo was proved correct against those of his time that claimed to be able to compehend "God".
"arrogant"? not even close...you limit yourself to "time"...GOD does not...HE created "time" when HE created night and day...before that? nothing to base on...
what is time anyway?

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque, NM

#1416 Jul 21, 2014
NDanger wrote:
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You think I be buck?
As forum fundies go, Nick, you're on the OK side of OK. I've told you that more than once.
Nevertheless, you do have your moments.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque, NM

#1417 Jul 21, 2014
Mr Ironhart wrote:
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The way I see it; we are always here and everything is crossing and orbiting in its own direction at all levels of sizes and dimensions, but when things are coming back here, then we are all sharing the eternal “now” just here, but the eternal “now” exists everywhere into; eternity.
This is to my opinion the reason why some fundamentalists are unable to grasp the idea of eternity; they are too much concerned about clocks, calendars and the orbiting of the moon and the sun, and the flow of water in the rivers.
More than one fundie thinks the only thing that existed before the beginning was air; and probably God. It's stands to reason, though, because without air God couldn't say 'Let there be Light'. Heck, He couldn't say anything because there wouldn't be any air.

Which brings us to an extended monologue treating the relationship of Born Again and the Holy Spirit but I'll spare you at this time.

"While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease."
-- Almighty God

Note: any relationship of my comment to yours is exceedingly tenuous.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque, NM

#1418 Jul 21, 2014
NDanger wrote:
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You think I be buck?
Now I see what you're talking about. I just added that in case buck read my reply to your comment. He's good people. I don't want him to think I'm sweeping him under the umbrella of batshit crazy forum fundies.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#1420 Jul 21, 2014
NDanger wrote:
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"arrogant"? not even close...you limit yourself to "time"...GOD does not...HE created "time" when HE created night and day...before that? nothing to base on...
what is time anyway?
I do “limit” myself to logic and reason while you apparently do not. Do you believe that “God” existed before "He" created time?

NDanger

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Since: Nov 10

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#1421 Jul 21, 2014
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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As forum fundies go, Nick, you're on the OK side of OK. I've told you that more than once.
Nevertheless, you do have your moments.
Don't WE all?

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#1422 Jul 21, 2014
Big Al wrote:
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I do “limit” myself to logic and reason while you apparently do not. Do you believe that “God” existed before "He" created time?
Alpha and Omega...
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#1423 Jul 21, 2014
NDanger wrote:
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Apparently you don't realize the "Bible" wasn't compiled until the fourth (4th) Century...
You are apparently unaware of the fact that the Septuagint a Greek translation of the books of the Old Testament was most commonly used as the Bible in Jesus’s time and that a Hebrew version of the books Old Testament dating to the 1st century was found at Qumran.

You do however make an interesting point. The compilation of ancient texts that we call the Bible today was determined by committee at a date much later than writing of any of the texts. To this day there is no agreement, about which books constitute the Bible. The Catholics use 73 the Protestants use 66, the Ethiopians have 81 and the Jews 24.
buck

AOL

#1424 Jul 21, 2014
God doesn't require blind faith as big Al and others would assume.
Creation that is seen and heard all around, high and low
is sufficient evidence that God exists.
God chooses as he will, that makes him God, man has always
had a problem following God's rules form the start.
Man thinks that his ways are right.
The shades of evening sky are not by accident, they are
the wonders of Almighty God given freely to us.
We should stand in awe of it all and thank our Creator.
buck

AOL

#1425 Jul 21, 2014
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Many a forum fundie thinks God Almighty Himself dictated the King James Bible immediately after creating enough light for the King James scribes to see what they were scribing. Subsequent manipulations; you know, like in the second and third century; have been attributed to Bible (presumably King James) hating heathens.
No offense, buck, but you've got a lot of certifiable goofballs in your corner.
We both know God didn't inspire men to write the" King James Bible",
the KJV Bible was a translation from original texts.
btw the KJV was not a rush job, it was meticulously thought through before
the final translation was completed.
It is God's word either way you look at it, it's just an english translation
for those who speak, read and write english.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque, NM

#1426 Jul 21, 2014
NDanger wrote:
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Don't WE all?
It's true, Nick. I've been in and out of the Church all my life. Sooner or later doubt would sneak in and I'd figure what's the use. That was happening again a few years ago and I figured there's another church right around the corner; different culture, different language but ritual and beliefs I'm quite familiar with so why don't I walk through that door. What I found was the simple message that faith and love are the same thing and when the doubts start to creep in I find myself among people of great faith who are perfectly happy to share theirs with me.

That doesn't mean Padre doesn't occasionally add a thousand or two years to the authorship date of this or that text or place very suspiciously sounding miracles in the wrong countries. I mean, we know when Hezekiah lived; let's not have him drowning in Noah's Flood. I just grin.
buck

AOL

#1427 Jul 21, 2014
NDanger wrote:
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You think I be buck?
You can play the role of buck after my departure LOL
buck

AOL

#1428 Jul 21, 2014
Men have been into disagreements since the beginning,
and not just with the contents of the Bible.
The Bible was just one more thing to add to their long list.
We are born in our time and purpose, I can't imagine life
long ago without a car, or house without electric or running water.
Man lives in a blessed era, the thing is we all tend to live
beyond what we need. So much is out there to choose.
We should be thankful for what we have.
buck

AOL

#1429 Jul 21, 2014
GM 15th,
No worries concerning me and my dim views of people LOL
Now we see through a glass darkly.
People share on this forum, that doesn't really give anyone
a real clue as to the real person on the other side of the
comments or replies.
It's a true fact of life, people will disagree on things.
I'm still ironing out some rough spots before departing ha ha

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque, NM

#1430 Jul 21, 2014
buck wrote:
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We both know God didn't inspire men to write the" King James Bible",
the KJV Bible was a translation from original texts.
btw the KJV was not a rush job, it was meticulously thought through before
the final translation was completed.
It is God's word either way you look at it, it's just an english translation
for those who speak, read and write english.
I know that Buck. Nevertheless, there are people who see the King James Bible as described. I think it was Romans Road who said the differences between the ancient manuscripts and the King James Bible were the work of "Bible hating heathens".

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