Is the Bible always literally true or...

Is the Bible always literally true or correct?

Created by Big Al on Jun 16, 2014

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“Right Makes might”

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#1364 Jul 20, 2014
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
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See?,this is why you have no no understanding of what the Bible teaches.
You don't want to learn and instead you assume that you know and understand what the Bible says when you don't know,thus proceeding,like susanblange does on here alot to make your own version of it which does not fit with the meaning of scriptures.
Yes,Jesus spoke in parables and each parable can mean different to each individual.
However,I've been around this block too many times to distinguish what is meaningful and fruitful and then somebody on here making up a bunch of nonsense about it for attention and a giggle.
So inform me, in a few paragraphs - and an adroit scholar like yourself should be up to the task - explain WHAT the Bible teaches. Go on.

Sum it up. What are the basic concepts taught of the Bible?

I can do it, can you? I've read the thing a dozen times now, front to back each time...so I feel confident I can sum up the basic concepts. Consider it like the opening summary paragraphs of a thesis, or legal brief, or maybe what a High School student would call a book report.

Go on...lets here it...

“Right Makes might”

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#1365 Jul 20, 2014
hear it...duh!

“honestly politically incorrect”

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#1366 Jul 20, 2014
Scurge wrote:
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What? Yes, parables can mean and should mean a few different things to even the same individual. They are not locked down, and should not be.
I made up no version of scripture. I did however explain how men misused it to form their own very narrow and limiting ideas about What the God wants, What the God thinks and How the God will exactly and without variance act.
And nowhere did Jesus ever teach that nature and its laws and human nature were at direct and constant odds with each other. No where! At best its a bunch of Greek ideas co-opted by Augustine, etc in his whole setting mankind against his true nature rants.
Like I said in another post, I can only infer from what you keep implying.
No Shit,Sherlock,Really?
Of course he didn't,he taught peace and prosperity,how to live righteously and at peace with one another and to not tempt God of which that is exactly what you and those like you do all the time.
Nevertheless,you missed the boat again.

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#1367 Jul 20, 2014
Scurge wrote:
<quoted text>So inform me, in a few paragraphs - and an adroit scholar like yourself should be up to the task - explain WHAT the Bible teaches. Go on.
Sum it up. What are the basic concepts taught of the Bible?
I can do it, can you? I've read the thing a dozen times now, front to back each time...so I feel confident I can sum up the basic concepts. Consider it like the opening summary paragraphs of a thesis, or legal brief, or maybe what a High School student would call a book report.
Go on...lets here it...
I already had,its not my fault that you refuse or can't comprehend.

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#1368 Jul 20, 2014
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
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You're way off about me being a Christian or a "fundie" and all of that prolix that you posted is proof that although you are straightforward in your disbelief however you still lack the understanding and the wisdom that which is required.
Admit it,your gripe is not what's written in the Bible,but instead your gripe is with those who believes in it and follows it.
Has really nothing to do with Christianity itself.
Of course my gripe is with the Believers! The Bible is but an object, an inert object like the Upanishads, or the Quran...inert on a shelf or desk. Doing nothing on its own till some human picks it up. Then its a cr/p shoot as to how it goes, how its used.

Like a hammer, it can be used properly for what it was built for, or it can used to cause all sorts of havoc. I dont blame the hammer, I blame the user.

That post was aimed at the general Christian public, not you exactly. Was it really long-winded?(prolix, I like that word! gonna use it) I didnt think so...but this is such a limiting format...need to get it in when I can, cause life stuff and then work is gonna be here soon enough, and I cant be here all week long like many of you. No judgment, its just the facts maam.

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#1369 Jul 20, 2014
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
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No Shit,Sherlock,Really?
Of course he didn't,he taught peace and prosperity,how to live righteously and at peace with one another and to not tempt God of which that is exactly what you and those like you do all the time.
Nevertheless,you missed the boat again.
I tempt God? Little old me? I have such power?*blush* Thank you.

will this God be tempted to do something he didnt already plan on doing? Can I sway him from his plans?

What exactly does that mean, "to tempt God"...? Seems he's a prone to temptations like we are, huh?

I wasn't seeking to take a boat. I'm prone to motion sickness.

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#1370 Jul 20, 2014
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
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No Shit,Sherlock,Really?
Of course he didn't,he taught peace and prosperity,how to live righteously and at peace with one another and to not tempt God of which that is exactly what you and those like you do all the time.
Nevertheless,you missed the boat again.
Actually he didnt teach much about any of that, he merely said that being righteous, and treating each other properly, etc was the best thing to do.

But he never detailed his ideas on the HOW's. Charity means a lot of things to a lot of people, and in fact is a huge problem in our culture as to how we the Citizens and Govt are to provide charity towards each other. How are we to deal with the every growing numbers of the poor, deal with these new paradigms of what it means to be financially poor yet wonderfully housed in suburbia, how to deal with large numbers of immigrants fleeing poverty and criminal abuses, etc. How are we to deal with the vast numbers of children who go to bed hungry a few nights a week.

How Jesus? How!?!? How are we to deal with these vastly changing situations on the ground? All he said was make to sure to do something about it. Not much there in the way of actual guidance...so as such we make it all the rest up, and hope it works.

Thats why the Bible is such a limited use book. It provides no hard answers, only vague and often misleading threads of advice and admonition.

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#1371 Jul 20, 2014
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
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Then you are a sinner,just like me,whether you like it or not and whether you believe so or not.
You can deny all you want to in sport of me if that's what makes you happy but the reality still remains that you are just as a sinner as I am.
Not making sport, trying desperately to explain to you, maybe even educate you, that no matter how much You Christians try and demand it, I do not adhere to the Faith based belief that my offenses against you/others, or even myself is an offense towards your/others God. No way, no how.

I reject it, and you can NOT force it on me. Sorry, but that's reality. And until American Christians like you start to learn that YOU can not force faith based notions on people and make them live under them, and conform to your concepts of how to act and behave because Your God is allegedly watching and making a list - you will all continue to fail in your "outreach" to your fellow man.

In fact, your Western Christian concept of sin (an offense against a specific God) is not even natural to most of humankind. It runs counter to the natural way of things...and as such its one of the many reasons why I reject it outright. Its not even a notion worth considering. You may accept it, and thats fine by me, but I do not. And that is a fact YOU/other American Christians must accept as well.

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#1372 Jul 20, 2014
Scurge wrote:
<quoted text>Heres another mistake made by too many American Christians...that faith is derived and gained by reading the Bible, then reinforced by quoting it to others. Like its a recipe book with you guys. But knowing a few recipes doesn't make one a master Chef, much less a good cook.
Faith and all the myriad aspects of true devotion and spirituality is not something gained by reading the Bible, or any tract. They encompass so much more than that, but in this modern day when protecting the infallibility of the Bible, by basically worshiping the Bible as the source of ones faith, as an icon with actual powers - its not too hard to see why so many of alleged faith to Jesus get so much of it wrong. The start and end of the journey is the Bible. Thats it, that's the whole of most American Christians spiritual journey. That and maybe a "Name it and Claim it!" performance ritual. "My apprenticeship and master status all rolled into one, maybe two acts on my part. Done!"
Its not faith in Jesus that leads the day for most American Christians, its faith in their worship of the Bible. Its the Bible, not Jesus that most American Christians rely on as their source of power in their faith. Its that they have placed all their faith in the Rule of the Bible, even over any rule of a God, or that of a spiritual novices journey thru life.
Which we all are, spiritual novices. But American Christians cant comprehend such a thing. That we're all stumbling thru our lives seeking some way to find explanation, purpose and peace. No, that's anathema to most American Fundy Christians, because they have been taught that they can OWN it outright! Not even on layaway, but outright ownership! "What? I dont have to work it off? No, you can own it outright!"
American Fundy Christians insist they have it all figured out, that they have nailed it all down, from the origins to the meanings and purpose of ALL life. To who is sin free (usually them, always them!) and who is gonna burn and gnash their teeth for all eternity.(everyone else!)
Its all locked down, because they cracked opened the Bible, found a few pleasing passages to suit themselves,(or were guided to them by a pastor/preacher, self-proclaimed expert) performed some public ritual of "accepting the Lord into my Life, right here and now so to be saved and full of grace for all eternity!"
Wrap it up and be good for all of eternity...like getting coffee and a buttered roll on the way to work. Done! Im fully finally spiritually nourished for all time!
Its why they are losing ground every day...their very vocal and belligerent insistence on KNOWING all, and owning it all because they know a little bit here and there in the Bible.
I have met and know many a Christian, dare I say true Christian, who hardly if ever spent much time reading, much less studying the Bible in any way. And they personified all that Jesus is said to have taught and exampled.

That is what I meant by my "prolix".(word of the day!) That these men and women were living it, not reading about it, not contemplating on words of men telling ancient stories in too often vague and contradictory ways.

They were IN the Spirit, not looking to niggle it out of a book, not looking to define it and lock down the meaning of these stories for all eternity. Not seeking to wield the Words like weapons, to poke and stick it to their fellow humans by their learned skill of quoting a book.

Because to them the God, the Spirit lived outside the pages, it was in the air, in the earth, in the faces and tears and laughs of their fellow humans. It was in them all the time, and no amount of study, or self-proclaimed "Biblical Knowledge and Truth" could manifest it. The Bible was there of course, they listened in mass,etc, they even sometimes read a little, but it was just there, an object, held no power for them, the power was in them already. If someone didnt believe in their God, so be it. Not of their concern.

dollarsbill

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#1373 Jul 20, 2014
NDanger wrote:
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Time is irrelevant to GOD...
Excellent point!

dollarsbill

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#1374 Jul 20, 2014
Satan wrote:
sphincter.
Your IQ noted, again.

dollarsbill

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#1375 Jul 20, 2014
Scurge wrote:
But do please prove that time is irrelevant to this God.
You can't even begin to count how many years God has existed. He created time. Time has no affect on God whatsoever. Even so, He chose "this generation" as THE LAST.

dollarsbill

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#1376 Jul 20, 2014
Scurge wrote:
<quoted text>No, Im asking/questioning you (a human male) about the words in the Bible that you said might not be the actual words of the God. Those many, many words scattered all over the Bible would by their very human nature, be suspect and dilute and/or outright negate the alleged actual words of the God contained therein.
So when we encounter the non-God words in the Bible, by your own admission we should be suspect of them - because they are words of men.
"No, Im asking/questioning you (a human male) about the words in the Bible that you said might not be the actual words of the God."

I NEVER said any such thing.

dollarsbill

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#1378 Jul 20, 2014
Satan wrote:
bowel movement, masturbate
You've already demonstrated your IG.

dollarsbill

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#1379 Jul 20, 2014
IG = IQ

dollarsbill

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#1381 Jul 20, 2014
joe 7 wrote:
<quoted text>A legend in your own behind. Or was that jesus?
Another COWARD. Cluck Cluck.
buck

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#1382 Jul 20, 2014
Big Al wrote:
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The idea that something exists outside of space and time is incomprehensible to the human mind. If you say that an incomprehensible “God” exists somehow outside of space and time I would agree that is a possibility but then do tell me that you “comprehend” what “He” likes and dislikes or what “He” will or will not do with human beings when they die because you have read a book written in ordinary human language by ordinary human beings.
If this “God” is "incomprehensible" then attaching all of these “comprehensible” characteristics to “Him” is just you contradicting yourself.
"By denying scientific principles, one may maintain any paradox [self-contradictory statement]." - Galileo Galilei
On the contrary mr big Al, it's only not comprehensible to your mind LOL
btw there is a way that God ties with science, it's really not that hard
to figure out. God is the Creator of all we see and hear, that should be
basic enough to follow in your human mind LOL
buck

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#1383 Jul 20, 2014
Big Al wrote:
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When Jesus told the Bible experts of his day that you must love your neighbor as yourself they asked “And who is my neighbor?” In response Jesus told the story of the Good Samaritan and Samaritans were then despised heretics to the Jewish Bible experts of his day.
It seems to me that your thinking about who your brother might be is very similar to the thinking of the Bible experts of Jesus’ day. As I said there is wisdom in the Bible but not everybody sees it because they (like you) are too concerned with all of the supernatural goodies they think they will get.
btw a neighbor isn't necessarily a brother, it's a neighbor : D
and you're missing the lesson Jesus taught with that verse by a long shot.
Yes, think of the Good Samaritan account, this is a good depiction of who is a neighbor.
btw you are WRONG big time as usual in your assumptions regarding people,
myself is a case in point.
I am more concerned with sharing the truth of God and the Bible while I am here
on this earth. God is patiend and long suffering with mankind, he wants all to
seek Him and find salvation, he is not willing that any perish.
Eye hath not seen nor ear heard of those things that await
those who will inherit heaven.
You obviously haven't a real clue about me in all these discussions.
buck

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#1384 Jul 20, 2014
Chelsee11 wrote:
Good morning, buck......I do have a copy, thanks. I use it regularly. Especially when I am trying to study specific topics. I have a hard time remembering things yet I can usually pull it up from my memory when needed. Usually, not always! Lol.......aging is not nice on the memory!
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Good awfternoon Chelse. does that sound english enuff LOL
I love having a concordance, a nice time saver huh
btw we are all aging ha ha, God blesss you, ttyl
buck

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#1385 Jul 20, 2014
Scurge wrote:
<quoted text>A sandbox that you clearly think is yours to own. That everyone should play in it as you see as the best and proper way. Like a spoiled little child.
And a nice hi to you too,
So the first chance you get to reply to something I said and it's all with attack force.
You haven't the slightest clue about me scurge whoever you are.
It's obvious you don't read people well, and you haven't read much of my posts.
No I do not think this forum is my own, I didn't start it, I just join in the topics of
discussion as most. I said " God's sandbox for his children".
But, considering it is labeled a "christian forum" there should be some type of
rightful behaviour displayed. Clearly you think that any language is welcome
and any topic of discussion. What is christianity without morals.

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