Muslims cheat and steal from God what he wants they pretend to know him only

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#1 Sep 6, 2012
They dont know God they only pretend to if they really knew God they would be in awe of how much he loves them and wants to take the burden of their sins away. They wouldnt try to fool God by pretending they are with out sin or can make up for their sins bt being good..

God does not want THEIR prayers
UNTILL they give him their sins and he gives them his righteousness in exchange..He loves them and knows they fail all the time at being good .. he wants them to trust in him not them selves .. Trust that he is God and is God enough to have
already won them heaven .. AS HE SAID FROM THE CROSS ITS FINISHED ..

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#2 Sep 6, 2012
supersinner wrote:
They dont know God they only pretend to if they really knew God they would be in awe of how much he loves them and wants to take the burden of their sins away. They wouldnt try to fool God by pretending they are with out sin or can make up for their sins bt being good..
God does not want THEIR prayers
UNTILL they give him their sins and he gives them his righteousness in exchange..He loves them and knows they fail all the time at being good .. he wants them to trust in him not them selves .. Trust that he is God and is God enough to have
already won them heaven .. AS HE SAID FROM THE CROSS ITS FINISHED ..
Most of them I know are good, honest, hard working people, but don't realize that isn't enough. To beat all, they will tell you themselves that they do not even know if they will go to heaven. At least with the Christian faith we are told that if we are saved through Christ by grace we will spend eternity with Christ in Heaven. Sounds like muslims are taking a gamble.
Jesus-is-Muslim

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#3 Sep 7, 2012
supersinner wrote:
They dont know God they only pretend to if they really knew God they would be in awe of how much he loves them and wants to take the burden of their sins away. They wouldnt try to fool God by pretending they are with out sin or can make up for their sins bt being good..
God does not want THEIR prayers
UNTILL they give him their sins and he gives them his righteousness in exchange..He loves them and knows they fail all the time at being good .. he wants them to trust in him not them selves .. Trust that he is God and is God enough to have
already won them heaven .. AS HE SAID FROM THE CROSS ITS FINISHED ..
If God does not want THEIR prayers (as you wrote) then why even Jesus (peace be upon him) HIMSELF prayed to God !!!!?

"In the days of His flesh, He (Jesus) offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety" [Hebrews 5:7]

In Christianity:

If Jesus was God ...

So God (Jesus) was praying with loud crying and tears to Himself asking Himself to save Himself from death!!

Then He heard the loud crying of Himself and accepted to answer Himself and to save Himself (and he died!)!!

No senisble person even will try desperately to defend such nonsense hallucination..unless he wants to make himself look real bad then!!!

In Islam:

Indeed Allah (God) allmighty heard Jesus's supplications and crying and saved his messenger, Jesus (peace be upon him) from death. This is in agreement with what Allah says in the Quran:

"And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Isa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not (i.e.'Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)(peace be upon them)). But Allah raised him ('Isa (Jesus)) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he (peace be upon him) is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise." [Quran 4: 157-158]
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#4 Sep 10, 2012
LUKE 22:42
“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; YET NOT MY WILL BUT YOURS BE DONE."
43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44 And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.'

NOTICE HIS WORDS:'BUT NOT MY WILL BUT YOURS BE DONE' in other words not what he wants but what God wants. And why did he pray more earnestly and require strength if the 'cup' was taken from him?

LUKE 22:45
'When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow. 46 “Why are you sleeping?” he asked them.“Get up and pray so that YOU WILL NOT FALL INTO TEMPTATION." (as I just did by asking God to save me from this sacrifice).

GOD DID NOT SAVE JESUS FROM THE CRUCIFIXION, WHICH WAS WHY HE WAS SENT! YOU ARE MISSING TO LESSON IN THESE VERSES.

AND JESUS WAS NOT A MUSLIM!
Jesus-is-Muslim

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#5 Sep 10, 2012
If Jesus was God...

Then how come God needed an angel to strengthen Him !!?

"Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him (Jesus), strengthening Him." [Luke 22:43]

[Luke 22:41-43]
41 And He (Jesus) withdrew from them about a stone's throw, Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him. and He knelt down and began to pray,
42saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."
43 Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him (Jesus), strengthening Him."

Angels only strengthen Prophets.
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#6 Sep 10, 2012
Jesus is
Jesus was NEVER a Muslim he was a JEW!!!
He was fully man AND fully God!!!!

John 1 says
1 In the beginning the Word already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
2 He existed in the beginning with God.
3 God created everything through him,
and nothing was created except through him.

Notice it says in verse 1
The Word was WITH God and then it says the word WAS God.

Now look at verse 14 it says
14 So the Word became human[d] and made his home among us.

Jesus is THE WORD!!!

10 He came into the very world he created, but the world didn’t recognize him. 11 He came to his own people, and even they rejected him. 12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. 13 They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God.
Jesus-is-Muslim wrote:
If Jesus was God...
Then how come God needed an angel to strengthen Him !!?
"Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him (Jesus), strengthening Him." [Luke 22:43]
[Luke 22:41-43]
41 And He (Jesus) withdrew from them about a stone's throw, Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him. and He knelt down and began to pray,
42saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."
43 Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him (Jesus), strengthening Him."
Angels only strengthen Prophets.
Jesus-is-Muslim

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#7 Sep 11, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Jesus is
Jesus was NEVER a Muslim he was a JEW!!!
<quoted text>
Yes Jesus (peace be upon him) was from the Jewish race but he's a Muslim in faith/religion. Islam means the complete submission and obedience to Allah (God). a Muslim is the one who completely submit be obedient to Allah (God). Therefore, all prophets/messengers of God were all Muslims. Islam is not a new religion but the final culmination and fulfillment of the same basic truth that ALLAH (God) revealed through all His prophets to every people. As there is only ONE GOD, there is only One Religion...Islam is the preserved pure religion of all prophets from ALLAH (GOD).

Remember that being a Jew refers to the RACE not religion. As an example, many Jews are atheists.
Jesus-is-Muslim

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#8 Sep 11, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
He was fully man AND fully God!!!!
John 1 says
1 In the beginning the Word already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
2 He existed in the beginning with God.
3 God created everything through him,
and nothing was created except through him.
Notice it says in verse 1
The Word was WITH God and then it says the word WAS God.
<quoted text>
Well, let us use our brains:

'In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD'(John 1:1).

Should we rephrase this to suit you -trinitarians- who teach that the WORD is the second person of the trinity who was with God the Father, the first person of the trinity, here is what we would get by changing the word God to Father like you want:

In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with the FATHER and the WORD was the FATHER!

Wow!...now, how can you deny what you make the verse to say? By this change in your own language, the Word and the Father are the same God exactly what we are teaching here.
Jesus-is-Muslim

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#9 Sep 11, 2012
supersinner wrote:
They dont know God they only pretend to if they really knew God they would be in awe of how much he loves them and wants to take the burden of their sins away. They wouldnt try to fool God by pretending they are with out sin or can make up for their sins bt being good..

God does not want THEIR prayers
UNTILL they give him their sins and he gives them his righteousness in exchange..He loves them and knows they fail all the time at being good .. he wants them to trust in him not them selves .. Trust that he is God and is God enough to have
already won them heaven .. AS HE SAID FROM THE CROSS ITS FINISHED ..
Another one. Read this:

[Chr2:7:14]-[ If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.]

You better read your own Bible before trying to post here.
Food for thought

Montgomery, AL

#10 Sep 11, 2012
What i dont get about christianity is belief or not since he " died for you" there is no reason to practice christianity.

Why do christians always speak as if they are god himself when they are expressing there "personal" opinions?

Why do you eat pig, drink wine, and have premarital sex if it is forbidden?

If jesus was god then who did he pray to?
hereiam

Godwin, NC

#12 Sep 11, 2012
Your absolutely right foodforthought.

Though I'm not a muslim, I must admit that you'd be hard-pressed to find a christian whom actually practices whats in the bible.

Any objective study of the bible leads straight to Islam

In fact, if you believe in the bible, I don't understand how you can deny islam
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#13 Sep 11, 2012
Jesus is
No, he was NOT a Muslim in religion and faith HE WAS A PRACTICING JEW and most people who have read the Bible KNOW this. Jesus never even mentioned Islam which tells me that it was NOT a religion even during his time.
Islam is NOT the final religion there have been THOUSANDS of man made religions since Islam.
Allah is a pagan moon god nothing more. Yahweh is the TRUE GOD.
Jesus-is-Muslim wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes Jesus (peace be upon him) was from the Jewish race but he's a Muslim in faith/religion. Islam means the complete submission and obedience to Allah (God). a Muslim is the one who completely submit be obedient to Allah (God). Therefore, all prophets/messengers of God were all Muslims. Islam is not a new religion but the final culmination and fulfillment of the same basic truth that ALLAH (God) revealed through all His prophets to every people. As there is only ONE GOD, there is only One Religion...Islam is the preserved pure religion of all prophets from ALLAH (GOD).
Remember that being a Jew refers to the RACE not religion. As an example, many Jews are atheists.
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#14 Sep 11, 2012
Jesus is
You will NEVER change the TRUTH that Jesus was God in the FLESH and the Bible proves he was. Many MUSLIMS are learning the truth and coming to a saving knowledge of Jesus.
Jesus-is-Muslim wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, let us use our brains:
'In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD'(John 1:1).
Should we rephrase this to suit you -trinitarians- who teach that the WORD is the second person of the trinity who was with God the Father, the first person of the trinity, here is what we would get by changing the word God to Father like you want:
In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with the FATHER and the WORD was the FATHER!
Wow!...now, how can you deny what you make the verse to say? By this change in your own language, the Word and the Father are the same God exactly what we are teaching here.
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#15 Sep 11, 2012
Jesus is
You know realize Chr 2 was in reference to ISRAEL AND THE JEWS? Maybe you should stop trying to INTERPRET THE BIBLE since you do NOT understand what is referring to.
Jesus-is-Muslim wrote:
<quoted text>
Another one. Read this:
[Chr2:7:14]-[ If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.]
You better read your own Bible before trying to post here.
hereiam

Godwin, NC

#16 Sep 11, 2012
It could be argued that jesus was a muslim because he lived in submission ("islam") to Allah (G-d)

Jesus ate food, rode donkeys, walked the streets, like any other prophet

He prayed to G-d (in prostration) as Muslims do

He taught "Tauheed"(strict monotheism)

He did not abolish the law

He repeatedly tells us that G-d is greater than himself and that he only does what G-d wills

Muslims believe that the bible was corrupted and that the religion was corrupted, thus neccessitating the need for new revelation--the bible is corrupt because, well, the reasons are obvious. Paul, and then the church fathers, corrupted the religion (many pagan practices were incorporated into into it,PAul made up his own wacky doctrines and abolished the law,etc, and people started believing in the trinity instead of worshipping the ONE true G-d)

And then there are several verses through out the bible that could be interpreted to mean the foretelling of the prophet muhammad

Muslims do not believe that jesus died, but that it "appeared" as if he was killed. Okay, remember when jesus likens himself to Jonah? Do you remember how Jonah didnt die while inside the fish, but it only appeared as if he did? But g-d rescued him? So it was with jesus..he didnt die--no, god saved him

So, anyways, I could go on and on and on..but you get the idea,a nd your going to reject it anyways because your attached to you man-god.

So, basically, jesus preached and worshipped only G-d..you guys preach and worship Jesus 1 in 3 and 3 in 1.

The end.
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#19 Sep 11, 2012
Here I am
Jesus is God and nothing you say will change that.
allah is nothing but a pagan moon god and islam is derived from paganism. Jesus was NEVER a muslim and never will be a muslim.
hereiam wrote:
It could be argued that jesus was a muslim because he lived in submission ("islam") to Allah (G-d)
Jesus ate food, rode donkeys, walked the streets, like any other prophet
He prayed to G-d (in prostration) as Muslims do
He taught "Tauheed"(strict monotheism)
He did not abolish the law
He repeatedly tells us that G-d is greater than himself and that he only does what G-d wills
Muslims believe that the bible was corrupted and that the religion was corrupted, thus neccessitating the need for new revelation--the bible is corrupt because, well, the reasons are obvious. Paul, and then the church fathers, corrupted the religion (many pagan practices were incorporated into into it,PAul made up his own wacky doctrines and abolished the law,etc, and people started believing in the trinity instead of worshipping the ONE true G-d)
And then there are several verses through out the bible that could be interpreted to mean the foretelling of the prophet muhammad
Muslims do not believe that jesus died, but that it "appeared" as if he was killed. Okay, remember when jesus likens himself to Jonah? Do you remember how Jonah didnt die while inside the fish, but it only appeared as if he did? But g-d rescued him? So it was with jesus..he didnt die--no, god saved him
So, anyways, I could go on and on and on..but you get the idea,a nd your going to reject it anyways because your attached to you man-god.
So, basically, jesus preached and worshipped only G-d..you guys preach and worship Jesus 1 in 3 and 3 in 1.
The end.
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#20 Sep 11, 2012
MRSMURPHY
Only fraud is YOU... I know the Bible better than you any day of week you only change it to suit yourself just like NETTIE. Is his name not John the BAPTIST? Now prove he was NOT baptist. NOT by your websites either prove it from the BIBLE.
MRSMURPHY wrote:
<quoted text>you though John the Baptist was a Baptist and not a jew, don't you belittle someone else your fraud. You don't know the bible either.
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#21 Sep 11, 2012
Here I am
You stated

And then there are several verses through out the bible that could be interpreted to mean the foretelling of the prophet muhammad.

NO VERSES have ever foretold muhammed as a TRUE prophet he was a FALSE prophet and even Jesus warned us of FALSE PROPHETS who would come after he left
read Matthew 24.

Even Jesus stated Moses was talking about HIM meaning Jesus as the final prophet.
hereiam

Godwin, NC

#22 Sep 11, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Here I am
Jesus is God and nothing you say will change that.
allah is nothing but a pagan moon god and islam is derived from paganism. Jesus was NEVER a muslim and never will be a muslim.
<quoted text>
Lol, listen man, personally I don't care. I know the bible and church history probaly 20 times better than you--seriously,, you don't know my history.

But anyways, the problem is that your too atttached to your own ideas and refuse to read the bible objectively. If you honestly understood what Islam teaches, and if you honestly understood what the bible says(instead of interpreting it to mean what you WANT it to mean), then you too would conclude that it leads straight to Islam.

One thing's clear---you most certainly do not worship the G-d of Moses and Jesus...no, you worship the god and practice the religion of Paul and the church fathers. The end.
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#23 Sep 11, 2012
hereiam
No the Bible does NOT lead to Islam because the Bible says JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS and it also says anyone who denies this is of the ANTICHRIST.
Islam is a false religion made by muhammed to lead people to hell.
You may think you know the Bible but you do NOT cause if you did you would know mohammed is the false prophet Jesus spoke about.
I have read the Bible MANY times and it leads to Jesus NOT muhammed.
I worship JESUS CHRIST no other person so you may want to know me before you sit here and LIE. Paul was an APOSTLE and you do NOT worship the God of ISRAEL called Yahweh you worship allah the pagan god of the pagan arabs.
hereiam wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol, listen man, personally I don't care. I know the bible and church history probaly 20 times better than you--seriously,, you don't know my history.
But anyways, the problem is that your too atttached to your own ideas and refuse to read the bible objectively. If you honestly understood what Islam teaches, and if you honestly understood what the bible says(instead of interpreting it to mean what you WANT it to mean), then you too would conclude that it leads straight to Islam.
One thing's clear---you most certainly do not worship the G-d of Moses and Jesus...no, you worship the god and practice the religion of Paul and the church fathers. The end.

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