Judge not Lest Yea be Judged
Flygerian

Duncan, OK

#548 Aug 26, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
All religions have dogma not attached to the Bible.
I guess I can agree with this though there are some "bible only" sects.
Cookie_Parker wrote:
Hating gays is not attached to Christ, but to Jewish priests, yet born again evangelicals use this jewish priest message in their churches.
No hating gays is not attached to Jesus NOR the Jewish priests. If it is so, can you provide support for your statement?

(PS)Showing what leviticus or Deuteronomy says about gays is not proving the HATE you said that was against gays.
Flygerian

Duncan, OK

#549 Aug 26, 2013
The Troll Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
I asked for nothing. I'm just covering your flippant and erroneous errors.
So "erroneous" that you didnt address anything I said in this post Im quoting? lol
The Troll Buster wrote:
Perhaps in ~your~ opinion it isn't supported by the Bible. Almost all Christians disagree with your opinion. And you know what opinions are like, hehe
No not my opinion lol. FACT. It is a FACT that the bible in full does not support Jesus being God.
The Troll Buster wrote:
Oh, John 1: for starters .... and I'm not Catholic. Obviously you're not Christian. So why are you here??
Because I want to be. Why are are you here? lol
Flygerian

Duncan, OK

#550 Aug 26, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, please provide citations from a Catholic source for these allegations.
Why? Am I lying about any of those?
Cookie_Parker wrote:
Thanks. And show where the dogma of the Pentecostals, speaking jibberish, is okay, along with removing birth control from women.
Where did I say that pentecostals had it all right? I didnt. But if you're looking for "gibberish" or speaking in tongues, Im sure you can find that in Paul's letters. Maybe Jesus said something as well when he said the stuff about eating poison and trampling serpents (I dont remember) but Paul for sure said something about speaking in tongues.
Flygerian

Duncan, OK

#551 Aug 26, 2013
Christ the Savior wrote:
<quoted text>Not quite true.
Catholics believe
1. Mary is the mother of God.
2. They do not believe in the trinity, they believe in three separate beings.
3. Bowing to crosses, statues, images, etc...well that comes from the paganism roots of catholocism.
4. You mean, praying to Mary and calling her the mother of God or creator of God.
5. You mean, calling the Pope "the Holy Father" or the chosen vicar on earth.
You forgot no.6
6. Men, some who even had or have AIDS deciding for God who the 'saints' are. I can hear it now,
God: Hitler you are not a saint and you are in the wrong place. Hitler: wrong God, Pope Benedict said I am a saint and he blessed all that I did, so there God, move out of my way.
1. What does that have to do with the fact that catholics believe Jesus is God?
2. Doubt they believe in three separate beings. In fact Im CERTAIN they do not as I have family that went to a private catholic school and I myself was raised anglican which is PRETTY close to catholic doctrine.
3. Yep. Dont think that christianity doesnt have pagan beginnings as well.
4. I dont know if they pray to her or not. I just know they raise her up (idolatry/PAGANISM)
5. Sure
6. Agreed
Flygerian

Duncan, OK

#552 Aug 26, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
1.Born agains call the preacher man, preacher man...yet he has not formal education to preach a thing.
2.Prove the trinity when it comes to Catholics.
3.Prove that they believe Jesus is God.
4.Show me where they bow to crosses (and not honor the image of Christ on the cross), statues, pictures, etc.
5.Adoring "Mary"? Please explain. Also how is showing Jesus had a mother more wrong than telling women they are nothing more than breeder cows and can't take birth control?
1. What????????
2. Prove what? That the trinity exists? Or that catholics believe it? Isnt google your friend?
3. Prove that they believe Jesus is God? Are you just trying to be argumentative? Or are you serious? I hope its the first and not the latter lol
4. Show where they bow to crosses? Really? You know simply having a statue and venerating it is idolatry? Making images of Jesus, Mary, God etc... is idolatry as well.
5. Yes adoring Mary or saying prayers to her is idolatry. I mean its not to act as if shes a reckless woman or anything, but shes a human. With faults like the rest of us. If prophets cannot be adored and venerated what would make one think that Mary would?

Oh and here is your bias against protestants. Hey Im not one, but still what does what they believe have to do with the catholics that YOU or someone else brought up? You asked for catholic dogma and got it and now you want to discuss protestant dogma. Well, they have that as well.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#553 Aug 26, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
1. What????????
2. Prove what? That the trinity exists? Or that catholics believe it? Isnt google your friend?
3. Prove that they believe Jesus is God? Are you just trying to be argumentative? Or are you serious? I hope its the first and not the latter lol
4. Show where they bow to crosses? Really? You know simply having a statue and venerating it is idolatry? Making images of Jesus, Mary, God etc... is idolatry as well.
5. Yes adoring Mary or saying prayers to her is idolatry. I mean its not to act as if shes a reckless woman or anything, but shes a human. With faults like the rest of us. If prophets cannot be adored and venerated what would make one think that Mary would?
Oh and here is your bias against protestants. Hey Im not one, but still what does what they believe have to do with the catholics that YOU or someone else brought up? You asked for catholic dogma and got it and now you want to discuss protestant dogma. Well, they have that as well.
Of course you're a Protestant. More importantly; are you a mammal?
Flygerian

Duncan, OK

#554 Aug 26, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you're a Protestant. More importantly; are you a mammal?
You again???

lol
lol

Welch, WV

#556 Aug 26, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
There's nothing fake about the Catholic Dogma....however, making your dogma up as you go along, and judging others, as you do, is really lame....
Give five examples of the Catholic dogma and show how each is "fake", basing it upon the bible and the historical aspect of that particular part of the bible.
Ok, here we go. I debate on a Christian (Supposedly) forum using a KJV Bible. I do NOT make up any dogma and if you read my posts where I use Scripture, you would know that. Nettiebelle uses quotes from a Catholic site that has taken scripture and misinterpreted and twists it into MANS doctrine. If you read her posts, you wopuld know that also.

1) Catholic Dogma asserts that Mary is to be venerated as the Mother of God and calls her Mediatrix.
She is the mother of Jesus Christ, God in the FLESH. Yes, she WAS His fleshy, human mother and that is as far as it goes. She is NOT the mother of God the Father who is the SPIRITUAL part of the Godhead.

2) The communion. The Catholic Dogma asserts that the wafer and and wine actually becomes the real, LITERAL flesh and blood of Christ at communion by using the enchantment (magic) spell of Transubstantiation. It is NOT Biblical at all.

3) The Catholic Dogma of Purgatory. Just plain nonsense. That is why they cling to the Apocrypha. That is the only place that false doctrine is mentioned.

4) Mary was conceived without sin. LIE!
Romans 3:23 For all (Mary included) have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

5)104. Mary conceived by the Holy Ghost without the co-operation of man. Lie! Anne is Mary's mother.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#557 Aug 26, 2013
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, here we go. I debate on a Christian (Supposedly) forum using a KJV Bible. I do NOT make up any dogma and if you read my posts where I use Scripture, you would know that. Nettiebelle uses quotes from a Catholic site that has taken scripture and misinterpreted and twists it into MANS doctrine. If you read her posts, you wopuld know that also.
1) Catholic Dogma asserts that Mary is to be venerated as the Mother of God and calls her Mediatrix.
She is the mother of Jesus Christ, God in the FLESH. Yes, she WAS His fleshy, human mother and that is as far as it goes. She is NOT the mother of God the Father who is the SPIRITUAL part of the Godhead.
2) The communion. The Catholic Dogma asserts that the wafer and and wine actually becomes the real, LITERAL flesh and blood of Christ at communion by using the enchantment (magic) spell of Transubstantiation. It is NOT Biblical at all.
3) The Catholic Dogma of Purgatory. Just plain nonsense. That is why they cling to the Apocrypha. That is the only place that false doctrine is mentioned.
4) Mary was conceived without sin. LIE!
Romans 3:23 For all (Mary included) have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
5)104. Mary conceived by the Holy Ghost without the co-operation of man. Lie! Anne is Mary's mother.
You makeup your own interpretation of a book of collections from hundreds of authors over 2,000 years and stamp it the word on one deity...without ever discerning who the authors are and what was being addressed. Here's some scripture maybe you can decipher as to which is correct and what is meant...and then tell me that YOU are not pretending to be a deity by making that decision.

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33

You choose...any contradiction and tell me which one is right...then try to deny you think you are God.

Of course there is dogma in churches...there are men who go to school and who study sanskirt and hebrew and greek and come up with the translations and understand the history of the jews during this time.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#558 Aug 26, 2013
The Troll Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't realize you were unlearned also. Protestants believe in the Trinity and that Christ is God. Too bad you obviously don't.
What do you mean? I obviously don't? Where did you get that idea?

The most sacred part of the Mass is the Eucharistic prayer:

"Through Him, with Him, in Him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honor is yours, almighty Father, forever and ever."

God bless you.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#559 Aug 26, 2013
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, here we go. I debate on a Christian (Supposedly) forum using a KJV Bible. I do NOT make up any dogma and if you read my posts where I use Scripture, you would know that. Nettiebelle uses quotes from a Catholic site that has taken scripture and misinterpreted and twists it into MANS doctrine. If you read her posts, you wopuld know that also.
1) Catholic Dogma asserts that Mary is to be venerated as the Mother of God and calls her Mediatrix.
She is the mother of Jesus Christ, God in the FLESH. Yes, she WAS His fleshy, human mother and that is as far as it goes. She is NOT the mother of God the Father who is the SPIRITUAL part of the Godhead.
2) The communion. The Catholic Dogma asserts that the wafer and and wine actually becomes the real, LITERAL flesh and blood of Christ at communion by using the enchantment (magic) spell of Transubstantiation. It is NOT Biblical at all.
3) The Catholic Dogma of Purgatory. Just plain nonsense. That is why they cling to the Apocrypha. That is the only place that false doctrine is mentioned.
4) Mary was conceived without sin. LIE!
Romans 3:23 For all (Mary included) have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
5)104. Mary conceived by the Holy Ghost without the co-operation of man. Lie! Anne is Mary's mother.
1) The Blessed Virgin Mary is perceived in Catholic Doctrine to be the Ark of the New Covenant.

2) That's what the Bible says.

3) The gate of heaven is indeed narrow. We are chunks of carbon. Until we are cleansed to the brilliance and purity of a fine diamond we're not going to pass through that gate.

4) And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.(see 1 above) Please don't be corrupting scripture to support your prejudice.

5) What are you trying to say? It seems your mashed a bunch of disparate doctrine together.

God bless you.
lol

Welch, WV

#560 Aug 26, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
I follow the paths of Buddhism. And laying judgement makes you a non-Christian.
Oh no. We DO get to judge. I can't judge you to heaven or hell but I CAN judge your anti-Christian statements and your false religion of Buddhism.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Since you are a false prophet, I can judge your fruits, or your words here on this forum.
lol

Welch, WV

#561 Aug 26, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
1. What does that have to do with the fact that catholics believe Jesus is God?
2. Doubt they believe in three separate beings. In fact Im CERTAIN they do not as I have family that went to a private catholic school and I myself was raised anglican which is PRETTY close to catholic doctrine.
3. Yep. Dont think that christianity doesnt have pagan beginnings as well.
4. I dont know if they pray to her or not. I just know they raise her up (idolatry/PAGANISM)
5. Sure
6. Agreed
As far as your number two. Nettiebelle, a Catholic does say the Trinity is three separate, but EQUAL, Beings. I don't know how she gets that though.
lol

Welch, WV

#562 Aug 26, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
You makeup your own interpretation of a book of collections from hundreds of authors over 2,000 years and stamp it the word on one deity...without ever discerning who the authors are and what was being addressed. Here's some scripture maybe you can decipher as to which is correct and what is meant...and then tell me that YOU are not pretending to be a deity by making that decision.
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
You choose...any contradiction and tell me which one is right...then try to deny you think you are God.
Of course there is dogma in churches...there are men who go to school and who study sanskirt and hebrew and greek and come up with the translations and understand the history of the jews during this time.
You asked for 5 and I gave you 5 and now you switch subjects without addressing my list of 5 that YOU wanted. Typical.
lol

Welch, WV

#563 Aug 26, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
1) The Blessed Virgin Mary is perceived in Catholic Doctrine to be the Ark of the New Covenant.
2) That's what the Bible says.
3) The gate of heaven is indeed narrow. We are chunks of carbon. Until we are cleansed to the brilliance and purity of a fine diamond we're not going to pass through that gate.
4) And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.(see 1 above) Please don't be corrupting scripture to support your prejudice.
5) What are you trying to say? It seems your mashed a bunch of disparate doctrine together.
God bless you.
1) Well, she isn't.
2) It is NOT what the Bible says. Here is what the Bible says.

Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

3) What does that have to do with Purgatory? The Bible, the KJV, says NOTHING about having any remaining stain of sin cleansed in Purgatory. The Atoning, cleansing Blood of Christ is ENOUGH! You are a blasphemer!

4) What does that have to do with the lie that Mary was born sinless? It is not my prejudice, it is my knowing that Mary was a HUMAN of flesh and blood just like the rest of us and just like the rest of us, she needed a Savior and even acknowledged it.

Mary speaking...Luke 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

Commentary from Matthew Henry
She knew herself to be a sinner who needed a Saviour, and that she could no otherwise rejoice in God than as interested in his salvation through the promised Messiah.

5) Those are Catholic Dogma which Cookie asked for and will not expound upon. I guess she knows that, like you have just proved, she really can't.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#564 Aug 26, 2013
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh no. We DO get to judge. I can't judge you to heaven or hell but I CAN judge your anti-Christian statements and your false religion of Buddhism.
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Since you are a false prophet, I can judge your fruits, or your words here on this forum.
Judge how? Buddhism isn't a religion. There is not deity. It is a way of living and there are paths to take and steps to follow. It's not a religion.

I support Christianity...I don't believe the late 1970's Dominionist/Christian Reconstruction political movement of the born again evangelicals is a Christian religion...it has far too much hatred and fear and paranoia and gossip and judging to be Christian...judge not, lest yea be judged. You can have your opinion about things in life...but you can't judge those things.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#565 Aug 26, 2013
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
You asked for 5 and I gave you 5 and now you switch subjects without addressing my list of 5 that YOU wanted. Typical.
That was apples..this is oranges. YOU said you could read the bible and that Nettie was practicing dogma...you just practiced the bible and what it said.

Choose one of the contradictions, tell me which side you favor, how this is the "infallibe" word of a God, and then tell me how YOU choosing which was is the truth is NOT the same thing as YOU saying you are a god.
lol

Welch, WV

#566 Aug 26, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
That was apples..this is oranges. YOU said you could read the bible and that Nettie was practicing dogma...you just practiced the bible and what it said.
Choose one of the contradictions, tell me which side you favor, how this is the "infallibe" word of a God, and then tell me how YOU choosing which was is the truth is NOT the same thing as YOU saying you are a god.
I already DID. Now the ball is in your court. Reconcile my list of 5 Catholic Dogma with any scripture in the bible.
lol

Welch, WV

#567 Aug 26, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
That was apples..this is oranges. YOU said you could read the bible and that Nettie was practicing dogma...you just practiced the bible and what it said.
Choose one of the contradictions, tell me which side you favor, how this is the "infallibe" word of a God, and then tell me how YOU choosing which was is the truth is NOT the same thing as YOU saying you are a god.
This is nonsense. I listed 5 Catholic Dogma that went against the Word of God. That does not make me a god.
lol

Welch, WV

#568 Aug 26, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
Judge how? Buddhism isn't a religion..
http://buddhazen101.tumblr.com/post/253500680...

You sure? Even one of them Zen thingies say it is. You just don't know WHAT you believe except for arguing and trying to belittle Christians.

I’m sorry to break your bubble, but Buddhism is a religion just like all other world religions.

The first problem with that myth is the term “philosophy” itself. Most people commonly use that term to refer to a set of ideologies, but in reality a philosophy is much more complicated than that. The word philosophy is based on the Greek word philosophia, which is in turn rooted on two Greek words: philos and sophia. Philos means “love” or “affection” and sophia means “wisdom” or “knowledge”[1][2]. Therefore, philosophy literally means “love of wisdom”. That’s what philosophy as an academic discipline is: a study of the broadest questions in life—things like truth, reality, knowledge, etc.[1]. However, Buddhism does, in fact, give the seeking of truth a very high importance, but that is not a reason to assume it is only a philosophy, in the everyday sense of the word.

According to giants in the field of religion, like Ninian Smart and Huston Smith, Buddhism very much is a religion. It fits perfectly with the traditional Smartsian model of a religion.

All religions are composed of more than a mere belief system. Indeed, a belief system is only one of the total seven components of religion, according to the Smartsian model. All religions have: 1) ritual, 2) myth (sacred stories), 3) doctrine, 4) ethic, 5) social structure or institution, 6) materials—e.g. churches, sacred objects, iconography, etc., and finally and most importantly 7) experience—whether or not a religion is meaningful to the individual, and deeply strikes him emotionally [1].

Buddhism possesses every single of these qualities. Here are some examples:

1) Ritual - meditation, chanting, praying, holidays like Vesak (Buddha’s Birthday)

2) Myth (Sacred Stories)- the story of the Buddha’s life and path to enlightenment.

3) Doctrine - metaphysical concepts like rebirth and karma

4) Ethics - some of which are laid out in the Eightfold Path [1][2], particularly Right Speech, Right Action, Right Livelihood, etc.

5) Social Structure and/or Institution - clearly exemplified by the Sangha, which is the community of monks and lay people.

6) Materials - from structures like stupas, which are said to house sacred objects in Buddhism, to everyday objects like mandalas, prayer beads, statues, etc.

7) Personal Experience - devotees from all over the world can attest to the emotional comfort and efficacy that this 2,500+ religion provides.

So now you know! Buddhism has a lot more to offer than mere metaphysical speculation and an ethics system. It’s much more than that. It’s a religion that can be a way of living and make your life meaningful.

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