Where did Christ say Homosexuality is...

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#21 Feb 19, 2013
Frank wrote:
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She's not going to agree, no way, lol. If she had her way, I can imagine that you and I would probaly be in re-education camps right now, Obama would be "supreme leader" for life and people would be standing in line for govt rations in order to survive, lol.
Cookie has her views and is one of those whom tries to make religion conform to what she believes rather than making what she believes conform to religion.
Each to their own I guess.
Christ was quite articulate on his demands. Show me where Christ said abortion and homosexuality were wrong.
IamHim

Oklahoma City, OK

#22 Feb 19, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Quote Christ. He's the leader of the Christian church. What did Christ say about abortion and homosexuality? Christ is the word of God made flesh.
Simply put if Jesus said he didnt come to do away with the law and the law says that those things are wrong what else do you want?

But I see as Frank said you're not gonna accept it so I'll leave it at that. Your fate is in your own hands and we'll see if believing someone died for your sins saves you from the One who Always Existed and Existed before your god did =/
Frank

Clinton, NC

#23 Feb 19, 2013
Hi cookie.

Here's one for you.

Show me where he abolished it prohibition.
Frank

Clinton, NC

#24 Feb 19, 2013
He said, as Flygeria pointed out, that he came not to abolish the law.

He did not specifically say that its forbidden nor did he state that its prohibition has been abolished.

One must use common sense in these matters.

And I had no idea that you had accused RR of being me, lol, your "sock" obcession is getting a bit out of hand cookie, lol, that's hilarious.

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#25 Feb 20, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Simply put if Jesus said he didnt come to do away with the law and the law says that those things are wrong what else do you want?
But I see as Frank said you're not gonna accept it so I'll leave it at that. Your fate is in your own hands and we'll see if believing someone died for your sins saves you from the One who Always Existed and Existed before your god did =/
The laws are the commandments. And Christ didn't say he put them away. Christ believes in the commandments but gave a GREATER commandment to love others as you love yourself. Love doesn't involve condemnation, judgment, intolerance and hatred. Love doesn't involve sorting people into who goes to heaven and who does not. Indeed,Christ admonished those who would judge.

Christ raised the bar of the laws to give the supreme law. You can't believe the jewish priest condemnation of homosexuality has ANYTHING to do with Christ approving the highest commandment of all; to love mankind as you love yourself.

Jazybird58

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#27 Feb 20, 2013
Native from Pa wrote:
Cookie
Romans 1 says God will turn them over to a reprobate mind if they do not repent. Meaning they will believe that their lifestyle is okay when in reality it is not.
Your book is talking to you? Say does it have pop up pictures too?
Frank

Holly Springs, NC

#28 Feb 20, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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The torah is jewish law. Christ certainly broke with most things Jewish in his teachings. Show me where CHRIST said homosexuality is a sin.
If you are not Christian, then this doesn't pertain to you.
Well, though I'm no "christian" in the normal sense, I believe that Yeshuah was probaly a kind of Messiah or righteous Rabbi whom operated by G-d's authority.

With that said, Yeshuah clearly stated that he didn't come to abolish the law..nor did he specifically state the law which prohibits homosexuality is abolished, either.

And while he did state that one of the most important commandments was to love others---you can't show any proof that this commandment to love others negates or abrogates any of the OT prohibitions.

That's the truth of this matter right there. You can debate it but the logical conclusion, based upon the texts, would be on the side of the prohibition standing...because, again, he didn't specifically abolish it.

But then Yeshuah said alot stuff , ya know?

He also said that he came not but to the lost sheep of Israel and even commanded his apostles not to go to the gentiles or Samarians and likened gentiles to dogs and pigs, lol. So who was his message for anyways? Alot of things are debatable when it comes to the reported words of Yeshuah. So, I mean, in truth, one could even make the claim that Yeshuah's message isn't even aimed at non-Torah people, ya know?

peace
IamHim

Duncan, OK

#29 Feb 20, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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The laws are the commandments. And Christ didn't say he put them away. Christ believes in the commandments but gave a GREATER commandment to love others as you love yourself. Love doesn't involve condemnation, judgment, intolerance and hatred. Love doesn't involve sorting people into who goes to heaven and who does not. Indeed,Christ admonished those who would judge.
Christ raised the bar of the laws to give the supreme law. You can't believe the jewish priest condemnation of homosexuality has ANYTHING to do with Christ approving the highest commandment of all; to love mankind as you love yourself.
That commandments was in the law:

Leviticus 19
18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

So what are you really saying? The law was not the 10 commandments lol. That may be YOUR interpretation but if this was so what was Jesus doing following the feasts such as Passover? Where is that in the 10 coommandments? I didnt condemn anyone but God Almighty will. And if you're gay and acting on it, it doesnt look to bright. May he forgive a gay and forget about it? Possibly. The fact is the law condemns it. And if Jesus said he didnt come to abolish the law that means he didnt abolish that commandment.

WE are not to sort people out. But didnt Jesus say he came to do that? Why yes at least twice. He said that he came to divide households (Luke 12:52) and separate the sheep from the goats (Matt 25:32). Sorry but this is the truth if you believe in Jesus. If you dont then continue loving gays and telling them to be themselves and all will be fine. Maybe you'll be right, but according to Jesus and the prophets HE BELIEVED IN, you're 100% incorrect.

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#30 Feb 20, 2013
Native from Pa wrote:
Cookie
Romans 1 says God will turn them over to a reprobate mind if they do not repent. Meaning they will believe that their lifestyle is okay when in reality it is not.
Be careful of the edition of the bible you read and taking one verse at a time.

1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

10 Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.

11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;

12 That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.

13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you,(but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.

14 I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.

15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

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That's Paul talking, not Christ.

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#31 Feb 20, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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That commandments was in the law:
Leviticus 19
18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.
So what are you really saying? The law was not the 10 commandments lol. That may be YOUR interpretation but if this was so what was Jesus doing following the feasts such as Passover? Where is that in the 10 coommandments? I didnt condemn anyone but God Almighty will. And if you're gay and acting on it, it doesnt look to bright. May he forgive a gay and forget about it? Possibly. The fact is the law condemns it. And if Jesus said he didnt come to abolish the law that means he didnt abolish that commandment.
WE are not to sort people out. But didnt Jesus say he came to do that? Why yes at least twice. He said that he came to divide households (Luke 12:52) and separate the sheep from the goats (Matt 25:32). Sorry but this is the truth if you believe in Jesus. If you dont then continue loving gays and telling them to be themselves and all will be fine. Maybe you'll be right, but according to Jesus and the prophets HE BELIEVED IN, you're 100% incorrect.
Leviticus is not the New Testament and Christ talking. YOu really lack any understanding of what christ said.

Try again.

Your new testament quotes come from the republican born again evangelical version which is disputed as NOT translating, but creating a bible.

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#32 Feb 20, 2013
Frank wrote:
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Well, though I'm no "christian" in the normal sense, I believe that Yeshuah was probaly a kind of Messiah or righteous Rabbi whom operated by G-d's authority.
With that said, Yeshuah clearly stated that he didn't come to abolish the law..nor did he specifically state the law which prohibits homosexuality is abolished, either.
And while he did state that one of the most important commandments was to love others---you can't show any proof that this commandment to love others negates or abrogates any of the OT prohibitions.
That's the truth of this matter right there. You can debate it but the logical conclusion, based upon the texts, would be on the side of the prohibition standing...because, again, he didn't specifically abolish it.
But then Yeshuah said alot stuff , ya know?
He also said that he came not but to the lost sheep of Israel and even commanded his apostles not to go to the gentiles or Samarians and likened gentiles to dogs and pigs, lol. So who was his message for anyways? Alot of things are debatable when it comes to the reported words of Yeshuah. So, I mean, in truth, one could even make the claim that Yeshuah's message isn't even aimed at non-Torah people, ya know?
peace
Christ....Where did Christ say homosexuality and abortion were sins?

NDanger

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Since: Nov 10

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#33 Feb 20, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Sorry. God said many things to man and Christ did as well about what was or wasn't a sin.
So, you can't cop out saying what you did. There was both homosexuality and abortions back in Christ's day. Show me where either of those were declared a sin.
Better yet, show US where they are 'declared' they aren't a sin...

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#35 Feb 20, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Better yet, show US where they are 'declared' they aren't a sin...
Why would Christ declare something not a sin. If it's not mentioned as being a sin, it's a given, isn't it?

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#36 Feb 20, 2013
Native from Pa wrote:
Cookie,
God used Moses to speak to people and he used Deborah and also Paul. Just cause you do not like Paul's words does not mean they do not come from God.
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No, you clearly see where God told Moses what to say. There's nothing hidden in the Bible and Moses doesn't speak FOR God in the Bible...God speaks through moses and we know what god said.

Just how far off is your NIV version?

Same is true with Christ. Paul CLEARLY states these are PAUL'S words, not Christ's. christ is quoted in the bible. So Romans ! is Paul...NOT Christ.
Frank

Holly Springs, NC

#38 Feb 20, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Christ....Where did Christ say homosexuality and abortion were sins?
Yeshuah didn't specifically prohibit it, nor did he abolish the prohibition. He was a Torah believing Jew.

He didn't sepcifically prohibit beastiality either. Does this lack of a specific prohibition of beastiality make it permissible under the "new covenant"? Yes or no?

Please answer this question. Are "new covenant" xtians free to screw dogs with Yeshuah's blessing?

Lol

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#39 Feb 20, 2013
Frank wrote:
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Yeshuah didn't specifically prohibit it, nor did he abolish the prohibition. He was a Torah believing Jew.
He didn't sepcifically prohibit beastiality either. Does this lack of a specific prohibition of beastiality make it permissible under the "new covenant"? Yes or no?
Please answer this question. Are "new covenant" xtians free to screw dogs with Yeshuah's blessing?
Lol
I'm talking Christ in the New Testament of the Christian bible.

You'll have to sort out those things for yourself.
Frank

Holly Springs, NC

#40 Feb 20, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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I'm talking Christ in the New Testament of the Christian bible.
You'll have to sort out those things for yourself.
Well, you seem to be implying that the fact that Yeshuah didn't specifically prohibit homosexuality made it permissible, hence--by your logic--his failure to mention beastiality makes that permissible as well. Epic fail on your part--try again.

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Since: Sep 10

Palo Alto, CA

#41 Feb 20, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Better yet, show US where they are 'declared' they aren't a sin...
As you have been reading Cookie is such a hypocrite on the subject of gays because she gets great pleasure out of ridiculing demoralizing and demeaning those she thinks is transgender or gay and continues it by using wrong pronouns to describe posters but rest assured I will point it out every time she does it.
IamHim

Duncan, OK

#42 Feb 20, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Leviticus is not the New Testament and Christ talking. YOu really lack any understanding of what christ said.
Try again.
Your new testament quotes come from the republican born again evangelical version which is disputed as NOT translating, but creating a bible.
I dont have to try again. Jesus said he didnt abolish the law and leviticus is in the law. Thus the law is still applicable. But to people like you that like to pick and choose, I can see where you're coming from.

LMAO. Read Matthew 25:32 and Luke 12:51-53 and show me the mistranslation.
Frank

Holly Springs, NC

#44 Feb 20, 2013
Native from Pa wrote:
Cookie,
God also spoke through Paul. You can not change the truth.
I DO NOT use an NIV
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