Abortion? Good or Bad?
Thinking

Wincanton, UK

#3080 Apr 25, 2013
The question is when is sex consensual?

Children no.

Animals no.

Consenting gay adults? Mind your own f**king business you piece of shit evil freak.
Fremont Rose wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, you posted the lie to trap. Like I said, you had a miscarriage and for that it helps understand your pain. Jesus is above your pain.
Also, if your spirit is strong, then you will not submit to the will of your body.
Pedophiles are human, so do you think that a gay pedophile should be killed? Specifically when it is two same sex people.
Fremont Rose

San Jose, CA

#3082 Apr 25, 2013
Butterfly wrote:
Well since this is mainly a womans choice there is no other way around it. I believe in pro-choice at times it seems like "Sin" but I believe the woman has a choice. Is it a sin or no? Just think about it.
Rape is mostly a man's choice thing, so what are you saying? I am quite certain that a man had a say in the pregnancy choice. If not, then how could you charge a man for rape? If the man and woman consent to having sex, then if it is her choice, then you could not compel a man to pay for her keeping her choice.

It is not a woman's choice, it is just justification for a behavior. 96% of all abortions are simply a result of premarital irresponsibility.
Fremont Rose

San Jose, CA

#3083 Apr 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
The question is when is sex consensual?
Children no.
Animals no.
Consenting gay adults? Mind your own f**king business you piece of shit evil freak.
<quoted text>
In your bizzarro world this is you minding your own business... Not.
Who says that children can not give consent. Yes they can, we just have decided in this society not to recognize it. Who says that it is 18, 16, 15, 14 or 12 that they can give consent? These are the ages of consents in different countries and at one time our country.

Also, when does a child ever give legal consent, say to go to school?

As for an animal, when you decide to fix your cat, did it give consent? No, you decide what si best for it.

You said consenting gay adults, but there are also consent adult incest couples and consenting adult polygamist.

Perhaps you should mind your own business and stick to topics like which lego to put down first. If you can't control yourself with these topics, perhaps you need an earlier curfew.
Fremont Rose

San Jose, CA

#3084 Apr 25, 2013
loveismygoal wrote:
Nope Doc I had an abortion my body didn't spontaneosly abort my dead son ..I chose as advised by doctors and ultimetly by Christ himself to let man intervene because nature wasn't doing her job as it was going to end up killing me infection had already set in and scepticimia was sure to follow ..
My name is Fremont Rose,but if you must play games,then your name is MsMurphy.

Nope, I explained to you what a miscarriage is and that is what you had. When a baby is dead before it is born and discovered as such, it is a miscarriage. In some miscarriages a lot of the tissue is expelled, but a doctor has to removed the rest. In your case, it was later I am sure, the doctor had to remove the miscarriage. That is not an abortion.

The word abort means to terminate the life of the developing child. Abort-end or put a stop to the proceedings. In the case of a miscarriage the process has already ended.

You also continue to deceive. If we believe that God intervened, then God would have said Murphy, the fetus is dead and there is no other option. You posted that there were other options, but God told you that this one was the rigt one. By your post, it was you who believed that the baby was still alive.

I know it was painful. I know females who suffered through miscarriages and they still feel the pain.

I know you do not wish to discuss why the baby was not able to be sustained. I know why, but I will not discuss it with others if you do not wish to.

God can heal all things, if you let him. Trust. Yes, that is your lesson to learn and hurdle.

(a drowning person often has a reflex reaction to drown the lifeguard, don't worry I am a strong spiritual lifeguard and can't be drowned)
Fremont Rose

San Jose, CA

#3086 Apr 25, 2013
TRYING wrote:
LOVE, wisdom says, NEVER SAY NEVER! I LIKE YOUR ANSWER. LACI IS A LOVING WOMAN to all children. BUT! WE all have much to learn of GODs WAYs. YOU could have died. Anything left after having a child, in the womb, can cause bleeding beyond belief. Should we knowing condem a child to no life and mental ability of little and no chance of a decent life, and say its GODs will. Tests can predict the condition of the developing baby in the womb. WE are its judge in this case, we make the decision, HELL in LIFE or abort.? More answers the world needs from GOD! Its Coming . I'm SORRY any woman has to make this choice! TRYING
Just curious Trying, when did the termination of life that God gave and that man was a part of become a woman's choice.

Thinking said that children can't give consent,well in California a 12 year old girl can give legal consent to abortion without her parents knowing and without the rapist being revealed.

"God makes in His infinitive wisdom to save man makes laws and in his desire to be God breaks laws and makes new laws that destroys man."- Rescued unborn baby.
Fremont Rose

San Jose, CA

#3088 Apr 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
The question is when is sex consensual?
Children no.
Animals no.
Consenting gay adults? Mind your own f**king business you piece of shit evil freak.
<quoted text>
In the case that I presented, one child was 13 and the other 3. The 13 year old had forcible rape against the 3 year. The 3 year old will have a colostomy bag for the rest of his life. Oh, I forgot, the 13 year old boy was being raped by an older gay brother and it had been going on since he was 3. yet, they charged the boy as an adult.

So, does the pedophile deserve the death sentence for raping a child? Neither one is of the able to consent.
Fremont Rose

San Jose, CA

#3089 Apr 25, 2013
ILUVSATAN wrote:
<quoted text>
you never established any god existing and life does not begin at conception....that may your personal definition, but it is not a medical or legal..
Actually, I never said that it did or that it didn't. Oh yes, I established with the same certainty to you have that your mother loves you, that God exists. In fact, as for certainty to me, I have absolute certainty that He exists.

Let me help you:

Life Begins at Fertilization
The following references illustrate the fact that a new human embryo, the starting point for a human life, comes into existence with the formation of the one-celled zygote:

"Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote."
[England, Marjorie A. Life Before Birth. 2nd ed. England: Mosby-Wolfe, 1996, p.31]

"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).
"Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."
[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]

"Embryo: the developing organism from the time of fertilization until significant differentiation has occurred, when the organism becomes known as a fetus."
[Cloning Human Beings. Report and Recommendations of the National Bioethics Advisory Commission. Rockville, MD: GPO, 1997, Appendix-2.]

"Embryo: An organism in the earliest stage of development; in a man, from the time of conception to the end of the second month in the uterus."
[Dox, Ida G. et al. The Harper Collins Illustrated Medical Dictionary. New York: Harper Perennial, 1993, p. 146]

"Embryo: The early developing fertilized egg that is growing into another individual of the species. In man the term 'embryo' is usually restricted to the period of development from fertilization until the end of the eighth week of pregnancy."
[Walters, William and Singer, Peter (eds.). Test-Tube Babies. Melbourne: Oxford University Press, 1982, p. 160]

"The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3]

"Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life."
[Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]

"I would say that among most scientists, the word 'embryo' includes the time from after fertilization..."
[Dr. John Eppig, Senior Staff Scientist, Jackson Laboratory (Bar Harbor, Maine) and Member of the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 31]

"The development of a human begins with fertilization, a process by which the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Sadler, T.W. Langman's Medical Embryology. 7th edition. Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins 1995, p. 3]
Fremont Rose

San Jose, CA

#3090 Apr 25, 2013
Continued-

The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down."
[Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63]

"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]

"The chromosomes of the oocyte and sperm are...respectively enclosed within female and male pronuclei. These pronuclei fuse with each other to produce the single, diploid, 2N nucleus of the fertilized zygote. This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."
[Larsen, William J. Human Embryology. 2nd edition. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1997, p. 17]

"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and Müller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

"Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]

"[A]nimal biologists use the term embryo to describe the single cell stage, the two-cell stage, and all subsequent stages up until a time when recognizable humanlike limbs and facial features begin to appear between six to eight weeks after fertilization....
"[A] number of specialists working in the field of human reproduction have suggested that we stop using the word embryo to describe the developing entity that exists for the first two weeks after fertilization. In its place, they proposed the term pre-embryo....
"I'll let you in on a secret. The term pre-embryo has been embraced wholeheartedly by IVF practitioners for reasons that are political, not scientific. The new term is used to provide the illusion that there is something profoundly different between what we nonmedical biologists still call a six-day-old embryo and what we and everyone else call a sixteen-day-old embryo.
"The term pre-embryo is useful in the political arena -- where decisions are made about whether to allow early embryo (now called pre-embryo) experimentation -- as well as in the confines of a doctor's office, where it can be used to allay moral concerns that might be expressed by IVF patients.'Don't worry,' a doctor might say,'it's only pre-embryos that we're manipulating or freezing. They won't turn into real human embryos until after we've put them back into your body.'"
[Silver, Lee M. Remaking Eden: Cloning and Beyond in a Brave New World. New York: Avon Books, 1997, p. 39]

“Southren Comfort and Pills ”

Since: Mar 13

Palm Beach, Florida

#3091 Apr 25, 2013
Fremont Rose wrote:
<quoted text>My name is Fremont Rose,but if you must play games,then your name is MsMurphy.
Nope, I explained to you what a miscarriage is and that is what you had. When a baby is dead before it is born and discovered as such, it is a miscarriage. In some miscarriages a lot of the tissue is expelled, but a doctor has to removed the rest. In your case, it was later I am sure, the doctor had to remove the miscarriage. That is not an abortion.
The word abort means to terminate the life of the developing child. Abort-end or put a stop to the proceedings. In the case of a miscarriage the process has already ended.
You also continue to deceive. If we believe that God intervened, then God would have said Murphy, the fetus is dead and there is no other option. You posted that there were other options, but God told you that this one was the rigt one. By your post, it was you who believed that the baby was still alive.
I know it was painful. I know females who suffered through miscarriages and they still feel the pain.
I know you do not wish to discuss why the baby was not able to be sustained. I know why, but I will not discuss it with others if you do not wish to.
God can heal all things, if you let him. Trust. Yes, that is your lesson to learn and hurdle.
(a drowning person often has a reflex reaction to drown the lifeguard, don't worry I am a strong spiritual lifeguard and can't be drowned)
Hi Laci.
TRYING

Saint Augustine, FL

#3092 Apr 25, 2013
Laci Ann 7 wrote:
<quoted text>TRYING are you saying that in the case of birth defects it is alright to abort?
LACI, Nature has been known to abort, I tell you this "I don't know GODs view", I know, some have chose to keep the baby, when doctors test have told the woman the child was abnormal , and she chose to keep it. A child born that way is usually caused by something thats not right. NOT GODs DOINGs.Defects can be corrected , but mental and physical defects are something that can take the happiness from a family. What if 90+ percent of deformed children born are man caused? Can we say its GODs will? What happens to a child that the family chooses to keep, and later in life the parents die, who takes care of the child? Right or Wrong, the child becomes , in many cases, the responsibility of the state to provide care until death. Would you choose life for yourself to go thru a lifetime of this severe deformity. NO normal life under any condition. Thats saying I choose life at any cost. I believe this, women have lost their baby, during childbirth, and other complications, and grieved, but in a few years have another child, That was the same spirit of the lost child, just born again, GOD replaced JOBs children, and GOD let Satan destroy the first children. And YOU can bet your life, they were the exact same Spirits that were JOB children in the beginning. TRYING,is working to get the correct answers from GOD. AND I'm close. PETER said JESUS I will NEVER deny you. JESUS you will deny me, before the cock crows thrice. NO i'm not saying its OK to abort, I have already said, I AM SORRY A WOMAN HAS TO MAKE THAT CHOICE! GOD is the final judge. Hate to bring up Reincarnation, AGAIN as you don't believe in it either, But, in this case TIME will tell the TRUTH!

“Southren Comfort and Pills ”

Since: Mar 13

Palm Beach, Florida

#3093 Apr 25, 2013
TRYING wrote:
<quoted text> LACI, Nature has been known to abort, I tell you this "I don't know GODs view", I know, some have chose to keep the baby, when doctors test have told the woman the child was abnormal , and she chose to keep it. A child born that way is usually caused by something thats not right. NOT GODs DOINGs.Defects can be corrected , but mental and physical defects are something that can take the happiness from a family. What if 90+ percent of deformed children born are man caused? Can we say its GODs will? What happens to a child that the family chooses to keep, and later in life the parents die, who takes care of the child? Right or Wrong, the child becomes , in many cases, the responsibility of the state to provide care until death. Would you choose life for yourself to go thru a lifetime of this severe deformity. NO normal life under any condition. Thats saying I choose life at any cost. I believe this, women have lost their baby, during childbirth, and other complications, and grieved, but in a few years have another child, That was the same spirit of the lost child, just born again, GOD replaced JOBs children, and GOD let Satan destroy the first children. And YOU can bet your life, they were the exact same Spirits that were JOB children in the beginning. TRYING,is working to get the correct answers from GOD. AND I'm close. PETER said JESUS I will NEVER deny you. JESUS you will deny me, before the cock crows thrice. NO i'm not saying its OK to abort, I have already said, I AM SORRY A WOMAN HAS TO MAKE THAT CHOICE! GOD is the final judge. Hate to bring up Reincarnation, AGAIN as you don't believe in it either, But, in this case TIME will tell the TRUTH!
Hi Laci.
Fremont Rose

San Jose, CA

#3096 Apr 25, 2013
ILUVSATAN wrote:
the above was a response to Fremont Rose's post on human development..
It could not have been, since my post was scientific and from scientists. Besides, a new born baby is not fully developed and will be hindered and mentally challenged if that development is interrupted. Much of our development is learned behavior.

If you wish to refute a scientific post of mine, then do it with a scientific post. I might learn something new that way.
Fremont Rose

San Jose, CA

#3097 Apr 25, 2013
TRYING wrote:
<quoted text> LACI, Nature has been known to abort, I tell you this "I don't know GODs view", I know, some have chose to keep the baby, when doctors test have told the woman the child was abnormal , and she chose to keep it. A child born that way is usually caused by something thats not right. NOT GODs DOINGs.Defects can be corrected , but mental and physical defects are something that can take the happiness from a family. What if 90+ percent of deformed children born are man caused? Can we say its GODs will? What happens to a child that the family chooses to keep, and later in life the parents die, who takes care of the child? Right or Wrong, the child becomes , in many cases, the responsibility of the state to provide care until death. Would you choose life for yourself to go thru a lifetime of this severe deformity. NO normal life under any condition. Thats saying I choose life at any cost. I believe this, women have lost their baby, during childbirth, and other complications, and grieved, but in a few years have another child, That was the same spirit of the lost child, just born again, GOD replaced JOBs children, and GOD let Satan destroy the first children. And YOU can bet your life, they were the exact same Spirits that were JOB children in the beginning. TRYING,is working to get the correct answers from GOD. AND I'm close. PETER said JESUS I will NEVER deny you. JESUS you will deny me, before the cock crows thrice. NO i'm not saying its OK to abort, I have already said, I AM SORRY A WOMAN HAS TO MAKE THAT CHOICE! GOD is the final judge. Hate to bring up Reincarnation, AGAIN as you don't believe in it either, But, in this case TIME will tell the TRUTH!
Hi Trying, nature never aborts. The reason they have prenatal care is that mother's need it. Nature does not cause a mother to have low blood or diabetes, that does not happen naturally.

Here are five prenatal rules:
1. Don't drink alcohol while pregnant.
2. Don't smoke while pregnant.
3. Don't do drugs while pregnant.
4. Don't ride horses while pregnant.
5. Don't stay around radiation while pregnant.

I will add one more.

6. Don't get in a car accident while pregnant.

“No stalking allowed.”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#3098 Apr 25, 2013
TRYING wrote:
<quoted text> LACI, Nature has been known to abort, I tell you this "I don't know GODs view", I know, some have chose to keep the baby, when doctors test have told the woman the child was abnormal , and she chose to keep it. A child born that way is usually caused by something thats not right. NOT GODs DOINGs.Defects can be corrected , but mental and physical defects are something that can take the happiness from a family. What if 90+ percent of deformed children born are man caused? Can we say its GODs will? What happens to a child that the family chooses to keep, and later in life the parents die, who takes care of the child? Right or Wrong, the child becomes , in many cases, the responsibility of the state to provide care until death. Would you choose life for yourself to go thru a lifetime of this severe deformity. NO normal life under any condition. Thats saying I choose life at any cost. I believe this, women have lost their baby, during childbirth, and other complications, and grieved, but in a few years have another child, That was the same spirit of the lost child, just born again, GOD replaced JOBs children, and GOD let Satan destroy the first children. And YOU can bet your life, they were the exact same Spirits that were JOB children in the beginning. TRYING,is working to get the correct answers from GOD. AND I'm close. PETER said JESUS I will NEVER deny you. JESUS you will deny me, before the cock crows thrice. NO i'm not saying its OK to abort, I have already said, I AM SORRY A WOMAN HAS TO MAKE THAT CHOICE! GOD is the final judge. Hate to bring up Reincarnation, AGAIN as you don't believe in it either, But, in this case TIME will tell the TRUTH!
TRYING I know God's view He said thou shall not kill. It is never right to decide to abort a baby. TRYING that is what is wrong now.....to many ppl trying to make God's decisions.

I believe and am persuaded by the reading of Gods Word that anyone who sheds the innocent blood will pay a great price. It is one of the things God hates. He says it is an abomination to Him.

We do not have the capability to decide what is best, God's ways are higher then ours and His thoughts Higher...He is pure knowledge and every thing else that is Good and right. He knows what He is doing......much sorrow is birthed due to our disobedience.

“No stalking allowed.”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#3099 Apr 25, 2013
Fremont Rose wrote:
<quoted text>Hi Trying, nature never aborts. The reason they have prenatal care is that mother's need it. Nature does not cause a mother to have low blood or diabetes, that does not happen naturally.
Here are five prenatal rules:
1. Don't drink alcohol while pregnant.
2. Don't smoke while pregnant.
3. Don't do drugs while pregnant.
4. Don't ride horses while pregnant.
5. Don't stay around radiation while pregnant.
I will add one more.
6. Don't get in a car accident while pregnant.
True!
Fremont Rose

San Jose, CA

#3100 Apr 25, 2013
Laci Ann 7 wrote:
<quoted text>TRYING I know God's view He said thou shall not kill. It is never right to decide to abort a baby. TRYING that is what is wrong now.....to many ppl trying to make God's decisions.
I believe and am persuaded by the reading of Gods Word that anyone who sheds the innocent blood will pay a great price. It is one of the things God hates. He says it is an abomination to Him.
We do not have the capability to decide what is best, God's ways are higher then ours and His thoughts Higher...He is pure knowledge and every thing else that is Good and right. He knows what He is doing......much sorrow is birthed due to our disobedience.
I agree.......it may be hard.....but we can never respond with sin to deal with sin. If we decide that it is okay to abort a baby who will be born deformed, then is it okay to kill a baby who becomes deformed at age 2, due to a car accident? Then is it okay for a Chinese couple to abort a female daughter, when they have no son and can not have any more children to carry the blood line? What if the ultrasound falsely shows a boy, then can they kill the newborn baby girl for the same reason.

Funny thing, when they say that it is a women's choice, they are saying that she is the judge of life and death.
Thinking

Wincanton, UK

#3101 Apr 26, 2013
If the sex wasn't consensual, you haven't caught me out at all.
You've just made yourself look like a very stupid c**t indeed.
Fremont Rose wrote:
<quoted text>In the case that I presented, one child was 13 and the other 3. The 13 year old had forcible rape against the 3 year. The 3 year old will have a colostomy bag for the rest of his life. Oh, I forgot, the 13 year old boy was being raped by an older gay brother and it had been going on since he was 3. yet, they charged the boy as an adult.
So, does the pedophile deserve the death sentence for raping a child? Neither one is of the able to consent.
Thinking

Darlington, UK

#3106 Apr 26, 2013
If the sex wasn't consensual, you haven't caught me out at all.
You've just made yourself look like a very stupid c**t indeed.
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>Did you read the post? He said that neither child was able to consent.
Besides, when do animals, pets and children ever consent?
Does an animal consent to be eaten, caged, become a pet or be fixed?
Does a child consent to his/her curfew, going to school, eating vegetables or doing homework?
You were caught, because consent is not an issue. Besides, what is the proper age of consent, 12, 13, 15, 17 or 18? Consent is a legal construct just like defining marriage as man and woman, and making homosexuality illegal. You see, in 40 US states gays can not consent to marry the same sex and neither can they in 190 countries.
Consent has nothing to do with ability, it has to do with a legal restriction and/or definition. An adult can not consent to have sex with a child either.
Just because You make an argument, does not make it an actual argument.

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#3107 Apr 26, 2013
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>By the way, I decline your PM date invitation.
When does a mom have the capability to decide what is right? Sorry, absent of God no one does. Are you saying that a parent who kills a 2 month old new born or dumps her in the garbage was capable of deciding what is best? Are you saying that a mom who molests a child is capable of deciding what is best? What about the mother who wishes to abort the baby at 8 1/2 months, is she capable of deciding what is best. What about the mom who decides to smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol and do drugs while pregnant, is she capable of deciding what is best?
We all know the length some will go to post pictures of a child and yet call others abusers. Spot on!

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Since: Jun 11

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#3108 Apr 26, 2013
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>By the way, I decline your PM date invitation.
When does a mom have the capability to decide what is right? Sorry, absent of God no one does. Are you saying that a parent who kills a 2 month old new born or dumps her in the garbage was capable of deciding what is best? Are you saying that a mom who molests a child is capable of deciding what is best? What about the mother who wishes to abort the baby at 8 1/2 months, is she capable of deciding what is best. What about the mom who decides to smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol and do drugs while pregnant, is she capable of deciding what is best?
I had to block her on my FB and on topix as well.

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