Expelled: a Movie that Exposes the Startling Bias against Intelligent Design

[TedHOhio]

Wayne wrote:

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The earth could very well be 6 or whatever billion years old. The human race was CREATED though only around 15-20 thousand years ago. AS WE ARE NOW.

Where the did you get this date? Homo Sapiens have been around quite a bit longer. Try at least an order of magnitude, about 250,000 years.

[TedHOhio]

Wayne wrote:

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You can't give different answers to this question, only yes or no. If we evolved ( which we didn't) then we owe EVERYTHNG to evolution. If we DIDN'T evolve (which we didn't) then we owe EVERYTHING to our Creator.

No, not necessarily. Now setting aside all the evidence supporting evolution for the moment -- just because we didn't evolve doesn't automatically bring in the supernatural. You are assuming it's either one or the other.

If it was not evolution, again discounting all the evidence, then it may have been some other yet undetermined natural process. Assuming a Creator, for which there is no evidence at all, is nothing more than wishful thinking.

[Wayne]

TedHOhio wrote:

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Hey Wayne, you need better glasses. It is not that science cannot prove God, it is that SCIENCE will never address the issue of God. God is outside the borders of what is and is not science. That's why they call is metaphysics, not physics. This has been stated to you how many different ways in the last month?
So your efforts to use God and the Bible to refute a scientific theory are also outside the borders! It is absurd and you keep making yourself, and your narrow version of religion, look pretty foolish.
So let me put this in even simpler terms, maybe even you can grasp the significance. Science will not prove nor disprove the existance of God nor any of the works attributed to him by any form of religion known to man -- even your narrow one. That being said it should also be said that Religion cannot nor should not address issues of science for the same reason. You cannot refute a scientific theory with the Bible just like you can't refute God with a scientific theory.
One of your many problems is that you only go halfway. You claim Science can't prove God, then you want to use God to disprove science. Sorry, doesn't work that way. Leave each area in it's bailiwick. You keep your religion out of the science classroom and I will keep my science off your pulpit.
And yes Neph, I am being abrasive because being pleasant to Wayne didn't work weeks back, I have no reason to try now. He can react like and emotional cripple again and refuse to listen to what I said, but that doesn't make what I said less valid. Couching it in pleasantries blows past him even faster.

Then WHY is science trying (unsuccessfully I might add) to create life? So you arrogant types can hold science up even further on the pedestal you have built for it. And it works any way I want it to work because what I say lines up with the Word of God, NOT the word of evolution.

[Wayne]

TedHOhio wrote:

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No, not necessarily. Now setting aside all the evidence supporting evolution for the moment -- just because we didn't evolve doesn't automatically bring in the supernatural. You are assuming it's either one or the other.
If it was not evolution, again discounting all the evidence, then it may have been some other yet undetermined natural process. Assuming a Creator, for which there is no evidence at all, is nothing more than wishful thinking.

Evidence is all around us and you have no argument against it except your arrogance and pride.

[Wayne]

TedHOhio wrote:

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Where the did you get this date? Homo Sapiens have been around quite a bit longer. Try at least an order of magnitude, about 250,000 years.

How old is the first recorded civilization?

[Vincent VanSlyke]

Wayne wrote:

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How old is the first recorded civilization?

Humans were nomadic hunters and gatherers for thousands of years before grouping into large civilizations, then developing written language. How quickly do you expect it to happen, 1 or 2 years???

One thing that's consistent about your posts is a lack of thought.

[charlieb1950]

Wait til old ted,hooks horne with teresa!

[Rev Blair]

charlieb1950 wrote:

Wait til old ted,hooks horne with teresa!

No one really cares about your sock puppets.

[charlieb1950]

I think ted of ohio has got evolution and civilization mixed up.We did not evolve physically.but we did become more civilized.Is not the case teddy?there is a difference!

[Primewonk]

charlieb1950 wrote:

I think ted of ohio has got evolution and civilization mixed up.We did not evolve physically.but we did become more civilized.Is not the case teddy?there is a difference!

Come on charlie, what is the scientific definition of theory? And more importantly, why do you insist that it is perfectly valid for you to use the colloquial definition in this scientific context?

[charlieb1950]

Primewonk wrote:

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Come on charlie, what is the scientific definition of theory? And more importantly, why do you insist that it is perfectly valid for you to use the colloquial definition in this scientific context?

OK tediot CAN YOU NOT THINK FOR YOUR SELF?

[TheGavin]

charlieb1950 wrote:

<quoted text>OK tediot CAN YOU NOT THINK FOR YOUR SELF?

I'm sure the irony of that statement, will be lost on you.

[Primewonk]

charlieb1950 wrote:

<quoted text>OK tediot CAN YOU NOT THINK FOR YOUR SELF?

Oh charlie you moronic dolt. We've all given you the scientific definition of theory. It's you who still thinks you should be able to use the colloquial definition of "hunch" or "guess" in the scientific context.

[Stedfast]

I guess this thread is a theory - and I have a hunch it will evolve into a literary masterpiece.

But so far, I see alot of wheels spinning. Can someone tell me why ID (Creator involved) and some form of evolution cannot co-exist?

[Nettiebelle]

Stedfast wrote:

I guess this thread is a theory - and I have a hunch it will evolve into a literary masterpiece.
But so far, I see alot of wheels spinning. Can someone tell me why ID (Creator involved) and some form of evolution cannot co-exist?

Evolution is backed up by proven research and facts of over 150 years. ID (Creation) is based on religion and cannot be proven, although I, like you, am a Christian, I know I cannot prove the existence of God or Creation. Evolution has to do with what happened after the 'first spark' of life began.

This is why I am convinced that ID (Creation) does not belong in a science classroom, however, the theory of evolution does.

[Wayne]

How old is the first recorded civilization?

[Wayne]

Time period


Estimated age of mankind

In the late 1950s


5 - 15 million years old

In the mid 1970s


5 - 7 million years old

In the late 1970s


1 million years old

In the mid 1980s


800,000 years old

In the late 1980s


50,000 – 200,000 years old

In the mid 1990s


43,000 years old

Current estimates


37,000 (or less)– 49,000 years old

Oldest historical record of civilizations


8,000 – 25,000 years old

The Bible


6,000 – 25,000 years old [11]

[Nettiebelle]

Wayne wrote:

How old is the first recorded civilization?

Mesopotamia--around 3,000 b.c.? Could be Sumerian, but I believe some writings have been found which could predate Sumerian. 3,400 years plus.

[Roku Roku Roku]

Rob wrote:

oh god
the charlie and wayne tag team duo's begun

Like Jeff Foxsworthy and Larry the Cable Guy only not as funny.

[Darwins Stepchild]

Wayne wrote:

Time period
Estimated age of mankind
In the late 1950s
5 - 15 million years old
In the mid 1970s
5 - 7 million years old
In the late 1970s
1 million years old
In the mid 1980s
800,000 years old
In the late 1980s
50,000 – 200,000 years old
In the mid 1990s
43,000 years old
Current estimates
37,000 (or less)– 49,000 years old
Oldest historical record of civilizations
8,000 – 25,000 years old
The Bible
6,000 – 25,000 years old [11]

What the heck is all this nonsense. In some of these cases, you are talking about the oldest known hominids. In others, you are talking about the oldest known modern humans. In yet others, you are talking the oldest known civilization. And in yet others, you are talking about the oldest known writing.

None of these are equal.

All you have shown here is how little logic effects your thoughts.