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“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#2 Jan 15, 2013


God Does Not Teach Children to Be Good

A child should make moral choices for the right reasons. Telling him that he must behave because God is watching means that his morality will be externally focused rather than internally structured. It’s like telling a child to behave or Santa won’t bring presents. When we take God out of the picture, we place responsibility of doing the right thing onto the shoulders of our children. No, they won’t go to heaven or rule their own planets when they die, but they can sleep better at night. They will make their family proud. They will feel better about who they are. They will be decent people.



God Teaches Narcissism

“God has a plan for you.” Telling kids there is a big guy in the sky who has a special path for them makes children narcissistic; it makes them think the world is at their disposal and that, no matter what happens, it doesn’t really matter because God is in control. That gives kids a sense of false security and creates selfishness.“No matter what I do, God loves me and forgives me. He knows my purpose. I am special.” The irony is that, while we tell this story to our kids, other children are abused and murdered, starved and neglected. All part of God’s plan, right?
When we raise kids without God, we tell them the truth—we are no more special than the next creature. We are just a very, very small part of a big, big machine–whether that machine is nature or society–the influence we have is minuscule. The realization of our insignificance gives us a true sense of humbleness.
I understand why people need God. I understand why people need heaven. It is terrifying to think that we are all alone in this universe, that one day we—along with the children we love so much—will cease to exist. The idea of God and an afterlife gives many of us structure, community and hope.
I do not want religion to go away. I only want religion to be kept at home or in church where it belongs. It’s a personal effect, like a toothbrush or a pair of shoes. It’s not something to be used or worn by strangers. I want my children to be free not to believe and to know that our schools and our government will make decisions based on what is logical, just and fair—not on what they believe an imaginary God wants.

From the internet.. makes ya think huh?

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#1 Jan 15, 2013
Here are a few of the reasons why I am raising my children without God.



God is a bad parent and role model.

If God is our father, then he is not a good parent. Good parents don’t allow their children to inflict harm on others. Good people don’t stand by and watch horrible acts committed against innocent men, women and children. They don’t condone violence and abuse.“He has given us free will,” you say? Our children have free will, but we still step in and guide them.



God is not logical.

How many times have you heard,“Why did God allow this to happen?” And this:“It’s not for us to understand.” Translate: We don’t understand, so we will not think about it or deal with the issue. Take for example the senseless tragedy in Newtown. Rather than address the problem of guns in America, we defer responsibility to God. He had a reason. He wanted more angels. Only he knows why. We write poems saying that we told God to leave our schools. Now he’s making us pay the price. If there is a good, all-knowing, all-powerful God who loves his children, does it make sense that he would allow murders, child abuse, wars, brutal beatings, torture and millions of heinous acts to be committed throughout the history of mankind? Doesn’t this go against everything Christ taught us in the New Testament?
The question we should be asking is this:“Why did we allow this to happen?” How can we fix this? No imaginary person is going to give us the answers or tell us why. Only we have the ability to be logical and to problem solve, and we should not abdicate these responsibilities to “God” just because a topic is tough or uncomfortable to address.



God is not fair.

If God is fair, then why does he answer the silly prayers of some while allowing other, serious requests, to go unanswered? I have known people who pray that they can find money to buy new furniture.(Answered.) I have known people who pray to God to help them win a soccer match.(Answered.) Why are the prayers of parents with dying children not answered?
If God is fair, then why are some babies born with heart defects, autism, missing limbs or conjoined to another baby? Clearly, all men are not created equally. Why is a good man beaten senseless on the street while an evil man finds great wealth taking advantage of others? This is not fair. A game maker who allows luck to rule mankind’s existence has not created a fair game.



God does not protect the innocent.

He does not keep our children safe. As a society, we stand up and speak for those who cannot. We protect our little ones as much as possible. When a child is kidnapped, we work together to find the child. We do not tolerate abuse and neglect. Why can’t God, with all his powers of omnipotence, protect the innocent?
God is not present.
He is not here. Telling our children to love a person they cannot see, smell, touch or hear does not make sense. It means that we teach children to love an image, an image that lives only in their imaginations. What we teach them, in effect, is to love an idea that we have created, one that is based in our fears and our hopes.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#3 Jan 15, 2013
That's interesting and probably pertains to a number of religions, but not ALL religions, IMHO. some religions actually help the poor and encourage their children to question their faith...it makes it stronger.

But, yes, the weak religions that want control do follow these violations

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#4 Jan 15, 2013
why does my computer list post 2 first and post 1 second? is that how you see it? Weird!

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#5 Jan 15, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
why does my computer list post 2 first and post 1 second? is that how you see it? Weird!
There are "issues" wtih topix. All the trolls go here.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/delano-ca/T62...

They suck up to the mods...but some are not trolls and they bring up issues...you need to check out that particular place and begin posting there to insure you're not being bad mouthed..I found out a while back GS was bad mouthing on there .
huh

Las Vegas, NV

#6 Jan 15, 2013
I could never have children.

The world is just to mean, painful, and hopeless.

I'd feel like I was giving them a death sentence in putting them here.

And then there is the fact that they might come out screwed up, talk about playing with fire.

Raising a child with a religion or not, I would just feel as if I had f-ed them up entirely by having them at all.

There is only one way for a person to learn anyway, by screwing up, you can't teach a child.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#7 Jan 15, 2013
"God loves me and forgives me. He knows my purpose."

This quote is from your first post, Troth.
And, it brought back a memory of mine.
After the terrible incident at Columbine High School, during the next day or so, a news commentator had ole Jerry Falwell on and some folks were calling in for comfort, with questions, etc.
A teenage girl called in. Her best friend, lying next to her on the floor, had been shot right in front of her, yet she had survived, and asked why this could be. Why did she survive and her best friend was killed.
Jerry Falwell gave such a ridiculous answer and I will never forget it.
He said, "Well, that is probably because God has a special purpose for you and did not have one for her."

I always wondered how the parents of that murdered girl, as well as all the others who died that day, felt about his cruel, ignorant remark.

John from Texas

“It's all in your head”

Since: Dec 12

United States

#8 Jan 15, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
"God loves me and forgives me. He knows my purpose."
This quote is from your first post, Troth.
And, it brought back a memory of mine.
After the terrible incident at Columbine High School, during the next day or so, a news commentator had ole Jerry Falwell on and some folks were calling in for comfort, with questions, etc.
A teenage girl called in. Her best friend, lying next to her on the floor, had been shot right in front of her, yet she had survived, and asked why this could be. Why did she survive and her best friend was killed.
Jerry Falwell gave such a ridiculous answer and I will never forget it.
He said, "Well, that is probably because God has a special purpose for you and did not have one for her."
I always wondered how the parents of that murdered girl, as well as all the others who died that day, felt about his cruel, ignorant remark.
Hopefully they knew who Jerry Falwell is and what he represents.
It's still extremely cruel and hurtful. I will never understand that kind of mentality.

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