Why did Jesus get so many things wrong?

Why did Jesus get so many things wrong?

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Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#1 Feb 14, 2013
Any answers?
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#2 Feb 14, 2013
Uh...he was only Human.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#3 Feb 14, 2013
Jesus was/is the Word made flesh. How could He get Himself wrong? Jesus was/is Immanuel (God with us)....God manifest in the flesh.[1 Timothy 3:16]

This chapter from John 1 explains it:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
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Prophesies fulfilled by Christ Jesus:
http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/proph...
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How can you be sure that you will go to Heaven?
http://www.swordofthelord.com/salvation.php
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#4 Feb 15, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
Jesus was/is the Word made flesh. How could He get Himself wrong? Jesus was/is Immanuel (God with us)....God manifest in the flesh.[1 Timothy 3:16]
This chapter from John 1 explains it:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
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Prophesies fulfilled by Christ Jesus:
http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/proph...
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How can you be sure that you will go to Heaven?
http://www.swordofthelord.com/salvation.php
Well Jesus said that people wouldnt taste death till he returned - FALSE

Jesus said that not one stone would remain in Jerusalem - FALSE

Jesus told someone that they would see him coming with the clouds of heaven - FALSE

I could go on if necessary. I really want to see the truth if Jesus was that or sent from that. But there are too many inconsistencies for me to do so. Especially when you compare him and the doctrines that surround him with the Torah. Its incompatible
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#5 Feb 16, 2013

In Matthew 24 Jesus was asked TWO questions and gave TWO answers. He did not say they would not see death as the Preterists often claim.
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Mt 24:3 And as he sat on the mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? AND what shall be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the world?
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The temple was destroyed in 70 AD by roman forces in exact fulfillment. The gold had melted in hot fire. As a result the soldiers turned the blocks to get the melted gold.

The wall standing today is not a temple at all, rather the Roman fort..

www.reformation.org/mideast_crisis.html


"The Nazarene sect used in the Book of Acts clearly referred to both Jewish and Gentile followers of Jesus' Apostles ... they accepted the virgin birth of Jesus.

The Nazarenes were originally Jewish converts of the Apostles who fled Jerusalem because of Jesus' warning of its coming siege."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazarene_%28sect...
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#6 Feb 16, 2013
Punisher wrote:
Uh...he was only Human.
Hes not god in the flesh to you?
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#7 Feb 16, 2013
socci wrote:
In Matthew 24 Jesus was asked TWO questions and gave TWO answers. He did not say they would not see death as the Preterists often claim.
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Mt 24:3 And as he sat on the mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? AND what shall be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the world?
-
The temple was destroyed in 70 AD by roman forces in exact fulfillment. The gold had melted in hot fire. As a result the soldiers turned the blocks to get the melted gold.
The wall standing today is not a temple at all, rather the Roman fort..
www.reformation.org/mideast_crisis.html
"The Nazarene sect used in the Book of Acts clearly referred to both Jewish and Gentile followers of Jesus' Apostles ... they accepted the virgin birth of Jesus.
The Nazarenes were originally Jewish converts of the Apostles who fled Jerusalem because of Jesus' warning of its coming siege."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazarene_%28sect...
1.The wailing wall is not a roman fort.
2. Jesus said at this time that they would see the son of man coming with the clouds. Did this happen?
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#8 Feb 16, 2013

The 70 weeks of Daniel prophecy gives the exact year the Messiah would come. At the time of Jesus we are told this was well known as Herod placed a death decree on children of that age.

There are a few timelines God gives in prophecy so that we may know where events are found in history, that we may know there is a God who reveals history beforehand, such as the four empires of Daniel 2. In Dn 9 there is a timeline until the Messiah, giving a start point until the coming of Messiah.

Daniel 25 "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:"
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This has been calculated and long fulfilled in only Jesus. This is why most of the first Christians were Jewish.


Timeline charts and video may help...
http://biblelight.net/dan927.htm
www.daniels70weeks.com
www.youtube.com/watch...
Flygerian

Chickasha, OK

#9 Feb 16, 2013
Wasnt the decree to rebuild Jerusalem made here:

Ezra 6:3
In the first year of King Cyrus, the king issued a decree concerning the temple of God in Jerusalem: Let the temple be rebuilt as a place to present sacrifices, and let its foundations be laid. It is to be ninety feet high and ninety feet wide,

Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#10 Feb 16, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>
Hes not god in the flesh to you?
Nope.

First the entire notion is flawed and second it gets destroyed by all the apology surrounding his "nature". Made more so by all the very wrong modern American mash-ups of beliefs.

He could not be an actual God in human flesh because it would ruin the beliefs that say he truly suffered as a human. He had to be all human to suffer as a human, otherwise he was god experiencing things thru the filter of his godhood. Sort of like watching the POV via a camera mounted on an athletes helmet. You can get the quasi-feel for the action - due to way our minds/bodies experience things vicariously - but you're not truly feeling it.

He could not have been bouncing back and forth from one state to another - because then we have no idea when he was either - as there is no explanation of such things. And it would be very likely he would have said something to his band mates and it would've become part of the lore.

Jesus was all human all the time, made of nothing but human flesh, bone and viscera - or else his experiences here - as described by the Xtian Apologists would be void. Even his "mind" could not be a god-mind, as that too would be extra fortified by such a thing, giving him super-human mental capabilities to endure, suffer, etc...and we get no such details of that being the case either.

One thing that MUST always be remembered is that the very details (about Jesus the human man) we actually have are very small. And that just because we rely on 2K+ years of exposition on this small amount of information - is all theoretical (not of a scientific theoretical type) and as such never proved to be exactly the case/circumstances, etc...

Without examining the actual and real development of Xtian theology over its actual timeline, of disparate POV's being melded into a quasi-one POV, and understanding how much admitted liberty the early Church fathers, commentators and apologists took in their works - one gets stuck in the modern miasma of what we see all around here on Topix.

A mash-up of beliefs, many of them more pop-cultural than doctrinal, and a wholly wrong belief that the diverse matter of Xtian theology and doctrine was a decided, done-deal the day Jesus left town. Which is so far from the reality to make those who propose such ideas look as foolish and uninformed as a 8 year old is on advanced physics - and there are about a dozen posters here who trend that way. They seem to think all matters were settled when the original Jesus Band mates went off a evangelizing.
It was not.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#11 Feb 16, 2013
socci wrote:
The wall standing today is not a temple at all, rather the Roman fort..

%29
BS!

Your ONE specious website does not a comprehensive nor definitive proof make.
Flygerian

Houston, TX

#12 Feb 16, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Nope.
First the entire notion is flawed and second it gets destroyed by all the apology surrounding his "nature". Made more so by all the very wrong modern American mash-ups of beliefs.
He could not be an actual God in human flesh because it would ruin the beliefs that say he truly suffered as a human. He had to be all human to suffer as a human, otherwise he was god experiencing things thru the filter of his godhood. Sort of like watching the POV via a camera mounted on an athletes helmet. You can get the quasi-feel for the action - due to way our minds/bodies experience things vicariously - but you're not truly feeling it.
He could not have been bouncing back and forth from one state to another - because then we have no idea when he was either - as there is no explanation of such things. And it would be very likely he would have said something to his band mates and it would've become part of the lore.
Jesus was all human all the time, made of nothing but human flesh, bone and viscera - or else his experiences here - as described by the Xtian Apologists would be void. Even his "mind" could not be a god-mind, as that too would be extra fortified by such a thing, giving him super-human mental capabilities to endure, suffer, etc...and we get no such details of that being the case either.
One thing that MUST always be remembered is that the very details (about Jesus the human man) we actually have are very small. And that just because we rely on 2K+ years of exposition on this small amount of information - is all theoretical (not of a scientific theoretical type) and as such never proved to be exactly the case/circumstances, etc...
Without examining the actual and real development of Xtian theology over its actual timeline, of disparate POV's being melded into a quasi-one POV, and understanding how much admitted liberty the early Church fathers, commentators and apologists took in their works - one gets stuck in the modern miasma of what we see all around here on Topix.
A mash-up of beliefs, many of them more pop-cultural than doctrinal, and a wholly wrong belief that the diverse matter of Xtian theology and doctrine was a decided, done-deal the day Jesus left town. Which is so far from the reality to make those who propose such ideas look as foolish and uninformed as a 8 year old is on advanced physics - and there are about a dozen posters here who trend that way. They seem to think all matters were settled when the original Jesus Band mates went off a evangelizing.
It was not.
lol you're preaching to the choir here
What

Ava, MO

#13 Feb 16, 2013
socci wrote:
The 70 weeks of Daniel prophecy gives the exact year the Messiah would come. At the time of Jesus we are told this was well known as Herod placed a death decree on children of that age.
There are a few timelines God gives in prophecy so that we may know where events are found in history, that we may know there is a God who reveals history beforehand, such as the four empires of Daniel 2. In Dn 9 there is a timeline until the Messiah, giving a start point until the coming of Messiah.
Daniel 25 "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:"
-
This has been calculated and long fulfilled in only Jesus. This is why most of the first Christians were Jewish.
Timeline charts and video may help...
http://biblelight.net/dan927.htm
www.daniels70weeks.com
www.youtube.com/watch...
Phil 2:5 &#8203;Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phil 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phil 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
aethelwold

London, UK

#14 Feb 16, 2013
He got it all wrong because he was a weirdo with a suicide by Roman death wish. Think David Koresh or Jim Jones & that answers all your questions. The Jesus myth is nothing special or new, his type of nut were ten a penny back then in Roman Judea..

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#15 Feb 16, 2013
aethelwold wrote:
He got it all wrong because he was a weirdo with a suicide by Roman death wish. Think David Koresh or Jim Jones & that answers all your questions. The Jesus myth is nothing special or new, his type of nut were ten a penny back then in Roman Judea..
Wrong, Jesus was/is the Son of God. He came to make atonement for our sins, He offered His sinless life for us on the cross, He rose from the grave, He is currently at the right hand of the Father........that's why there was no body ever found. That's why the apostles went to their deaths proclaiming the gospel. They witnessed these events (miracles, death, resurrected Jesus) all first hand.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#16 Feb 16, 2013
Jesus Christ is the Prophet of Allah and he did not get things wrong.

It was Paul and his followers who got it all wrong.

Information from www.muslimjesus.net

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#17 Feb 16, 2013
muslimjesus wrote:
Jesus Christ is the Prophet of Allah and he did not get things wrong.
It was Paul and his followers who got it all wrong.
Information from www.muslimjesus.net
Jesus was no prophet of allah he was a prophet of YHWH there is a big difference
aethelwold

UK

#18 Feb 17, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong, Jesus was/is the Son of God. He came to make atonement for our sins, He offered His sinless life for us on the cross, He rose from the grave, He is currently at the right hand of the Father........that's why there was no body ever found. That's why the apostles went to their deaths proclaiming the gospel. They witnessed these events (miracles, death, resurrected Jesus) all first hand.
All first hand?, and you know this because you were there?, it was a Romano Jewish cult and deserves as little credibility as the previous nut jobs I mentioned, Koresh, jones, Jesus. your beliefs are your business, but don't try & tell me to there were any first hand accounts when you can't proove that.who's to say there won't be a cult proclaiming David Koresh was gods brother 2000 years from now. Sorry mate but it's all wishful thinking on your behalf
onetruth

Hamilton, Canada

#20 Feb 25, 2013
I would like to recommend a reading of a book called Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures.
After reading that book you should have a good understanding of God and of Jesus and the Christ and the Apostles and the Bible.
And the light shineth in darkness;
and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 1:5

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#21 Feb 26, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
Any answers?
He didn't, but you sure did.

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