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“God Loves Ilks!”

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#42 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Was John Paul II speaking infallibly when he wrote this? Of course not. Was he speaking for the entire rcc? Of course not. He was just expressing his own opinion and not fact.
LOL

The Catholic Church/Vatican has no problem knowing that what is important within the Bible is its message to us for the hopes of our salvation.

The Catholic Church requires no Catholic to believe the Bible literally.
We have a choice whether to or not.
We do not have a choice in determining the teachings of the truths pertaining to our salvation.

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#43 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Was John Paul II speaking infallibly when he wrote this? Of course not. Was he speaking for the entire rcc? Of course not. He was just expressing his own opinion and not fact.
The Catholic Church has no commitments one way or another on some of the stories in the OT as to their literal truth. What it does have is the importance of the message from these stories.

Care for a Pomegranate?
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#44 Nov 18, 2012
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>LOL
The Catholic Church/Vatican has no problem knowing that what is important within the Bible is its message to us for the hopes of our salvation.
The Catholic Church requires no Catholic to believe the Bible literally.
We have a choice whether to or not.
We do not have a choice in determining the teachings of the truths pertaining to our salvation.
Do you think Jesus and Paul believed in a literal-historical Adam?

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#45 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Do you think Jesus and Paul believed in a literal-historical Adam?
What makes you think the Catholic Church doesn't?

You are so funny.

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (#337), the book of Genesis "symbolically" presents God's work of creation. In other words, the Biblical story of creation is like a parable in that the plot does not have to be literally true in order for the story to convey profound religious truths, such as the sequential and increasingly complex nature of God's creative activity. Interestingly, the idea of evolution seems to be supported by Genesis 1:24, which states, "Let the earth bring forth all kinds of living creatures." Genesis does not say that God directly created plants and animals in their final form, only that they came forth from "the earth."

Second, even though our material bodies may be the product of evolution, the Catholic Church holds that our immaterial and immortal soul, which makes us truly human, is directly imparted by God. Pope John Paul II stated in his 1996 address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, "If the human body takes its origin from pre-existent living matter, the spiritual soul is immediately created by God." The Catechism of the Catholic Church (#366) also states that "every spiritual soul is created immediately by God."
Therefore, the Church has no objection to the concept of theistic or guided evolution. Theistic/guided evolution holds that if life evolved from a common ancestor, it was God who established the framework, including the finely-tuned set of conditions and governing laws of nature, which enabled life to evolve over very long periods of time into the vast complexity we see today. God could have also guided this process along the way, particularly at the major and often relatively rapid transitions to new and more complex life forms (e.g., from one-celled to multi-celled organisms and the Cambrian Explosion).

In summary, as Pope Benedict XVI proclaimed at his Papal installation ceremony, "We are not some casual and meaningless product of evolution. Each of us is the result of a thought of God. Each of us is willed, each of us is loved, each of us is necessary."
http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/columns/...

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#46 Nov 18, 2012
Why not wrote:
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Christians don't walk around all day saying hang the bastards just like you don't walk around all day saying hang the bastards.
ROFLMAO.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#47 Nov 18, 2012
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>What makes you think the Catholic Church doesn't?
You are so funny.
According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (#337), the book of Genesis "symbolically" presents God's work of creation. In other words, the Biblical story of creation is like a parable in that the plot does not have to be literally true in order for the story to convey profound religious truths, such as the sequential and increasingly complex nature of God's creative activity. Interestingly, the idea of evolution seems to be supported by Genesis 1:24, which states, "Let the earth bring forth all kinds of living creatures." Genesis does not say that God directly created plants and animals in their final form, only that they came forth from "the earth."
Second, even though our material bodies may be the product of evolution, the Catholic Church holds that our immaterial and immortal soul, which makes us truly human, is directly imparted by God. Pope John Paul II stated in his 1996 address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, "If the human body takes its origin from pre-existent living matter, the spiritual soul is immediately created by God." The Catechism of the Catholic Church (#366) also states that "every spiritual soul is created immediately by God."
Therefore, the Church has no objection to the concept of theistic or guided evolution. Theistic/guided evolution holds that if life evolved from a common ancestor, it was God who established the framework, including the finely-tuned set of conditions and governing laws of nature, which enabled life to evolve over very long periods of time into the vast complexity we see today. God could have also guided this process along the way, particularly at the major and often relatively rapid transitions to new and more complex life forms (e.g., from one-celled to multi-celled organisms and the Cambrian Explosion).
In summary, as Pope Benedict XVI proclaimed at his Papal installation ceremony, "We are not some casual and meaningless product of evolution. Each of us is the result of a thought of God. Each of us is willed, each of us is loved, each of us is necessary."
http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/columns/...
So help me out. Jesus, Who is God-incarnate was mistaken to believe that Adam was a historical human being who was directly created by God was mistaken? Do I have that right?

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#48 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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So help me out. Jesus, Who is God-incarnate was mistaken to believe that Adam was a historical human being who was directly created by God was mistaken? Do I have that right?
the Biblical story of creation is like a parable in that the plot does not have to be literally true in order for the story to convey profound religious truths

Did you miss that part?

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#49 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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So help me out. Jesus, Who is God-incarnate was mistaken to believe that Adam was a historical human being who was directly created by God was mistaken? Do I have that right?
even though our material bodies may be the product of evolution, the Catholic Church holds that our immaterial and immortal soul, which makes us truly human, is directly imparted by God

Did you miss that part?
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#51 Nov 18, 2012
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text> the Biblical story of creation is like a parable in that the plot does not have to be literally true in order for the story to convey profound religious truths
Did you miss that part?
The problem is that the creation story in Genesis is not a parable genre but a historical genre. I don't expect you to know these things so don't feel bad. I will continue to correct errors though when I find them. Your keeping me busy.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#52 Nov 18, 2012
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text> even though our material bodies may be the product of evolution, the Catholic Church holds that our immaterial and immortal soul, which makes us truly human, is directly imparted by God
Did you miss that part?
If this were true, then Adam and Eve are myths and Jesus and Paul were liars. So what do you believe?

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#53 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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The problem is that the creation story in Genesis is not a parable genre but a historical genre. I don't expect you to know these things so don't feel bad. I will continue to correct errors though when I find them. Your keeping me busy.
The Bible is not a science or history book; that was never the intention of the Bible.
The story of creation in Genesis is not a literal one.
Surely you understand that creation was much more complicated.

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#54 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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If this were true, then Adam and Eve are myths and Jesus and Paul were liars. So what do you believe?
I believe that at some point in time, God choose to give a man and a woman a spirit, which is our real connection to Him, and these two folks were "Adam and Eve".

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#55 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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If this were true, then Adam and Eve are myths and Jesus and Paul were liars. So what do you believe?
You will NEVER get a clear answer.
21st century Socrates

Columbia, CA

#56 Nov 18, 2012
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text> even though our material bodies may be the product of evolution, the Catholic Church holds that our immaterial and immortal soul, which makes us truly human, is directly imparted by God
Did you miss that part?
Very astute observation, this would explain why the Hebrew word 'adam' in Gen. 1 and 2 is the generic term for humankind or “human being.” Here there is a play on words in Hebrew between ’adam (“human being,”“man”) and ’adama (“ground”). It is not enough to make the body from earth; God must also breathe into the man’s nostrils. Or.....endow the being with something more?

I think it is highly plausible that mankind evolved and then at some particular point in time was selected to be imbued with a soul and thus created in the image and likeness of God.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#57 Nov 18, 2012
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>The Bible is not a science or history book; that was never the intention of the Bible.
The story of creation in Genesis is not a literal one.
Surely you understand that creation was much more complicated.
Actually the Bible is for the most part a history book that describes how God worked in history. The idea that our world and universe is the result of the mindless forces of nature is absurd. There is just to much against that kind of theory.

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#58 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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If this were true, then Adam and Eve are myths and Jesus and Paul were liars. So what do you believe?
But, Jesus spoke in parables. The Hebrews told stories to with a moral lesson. Why would the story of creation be different? Only the fundies think it was an historical account.

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#59 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Actually the Bible is for the most part a history book that describes how God worked in history. The idea that our world and universe is the result of the mindless forces of nature is absurd. There is just to much against that kind of theory.
There are 4 basic levels of scripture to understand: The literal sense, the allegorical sense, the moral sense, and the anagogical sense. The literal sense is what most people stop at when they read the bible. The literal sense when one reads about a temple in the bible is a big building where everyone went to worship. This is what the Pharisee thought that Jesus was talking about in John 2 when Jesus said “Destroy this temple and I will rebuild it in 3 days.” However, Jesus was talking about the allegorical sense (how the text refers to Jesus) and the fact that His Body is the new Temple. The moral sense of scripture is how the verse applies to us and our personal morality. Since the bible says that our bodies are temples for the Holy Spirit in 1 Corinthians 6, then we should not spend one second desecrating our temple by getting drunk, watching impure movies, having an abortion, cursing, etc. The desecration of the temple is what started the whole Maccabean revolt in 1 Maccabees. The last method, the anagogical sense, refers to the heavenly sense. We know that after the second coming there will be a new heavenly temple (Revelation 21), and the old earth and all of its churches and temples will pass away.
http://www.catholicbible101.com/howtoreadtheb...
Jeff

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#60 Nov 18, 2012
tickedoffchic wrote:
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But, Jesus spoke in parables. The Hebrews told stories to with a moral lesson. Why would the story of creation be different? Only the fundies think it was an historical account.
You are to simplistic with your approach to the Bible. It composed of a number of different genres and its important to understand what kind of genre you are reading before you understand it. Jesus did not just speak in parables. Genesis is a historical genre.

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#61 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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You are to simplistic with your approach to the Bible. It composed of a number of different genres and its important to understand what kind of genre you are reading before you understand it. Jesus did not just speak in parables. Genesis is a historical genre.
No, YOU are too simplistic with YOUR approach to the Bible. No ONE, with the the exception of the fundies, believes the Creation story is historic. You need to educate yourself.

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#62 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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You are to simplistic with your approach to the Bible. It composed of a number of different genres and its important to understand what kind of genre you are reading before you understand it. Jesus did not just speak in parables. Genesis is a historical genre.
Jeff, you will be the new bashing victim and will never get a clear answer. These posters are vile and nasty. Just look at how they are all starting to gang up on you now. Give it time they will be on you soon because Nettie is dumb and they all back her.

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