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How many people went to heaven before Noah's Ark?

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Emperor Cyrus

Philippines

#5 Jun 12, 2013
I think the only antediluvian person that is in heaven right now is Enoch, because he was taken alive by God even before he got old and before the great flood. Adam, Eve, Abel, Cain, Methuselah, Noah, etc. are still asleep in their graves right now awaiting resurrection during Judgement Day.

John from Texas

“It's all in your head”

Since: Dec 12

Buda, TX

#6 Jun 12, 2013
Nuts!

John from Texas

“It's all in your head”

Since: Dec 12

Buda, TX

#8 Jun 12, 2013
JesusMyLord wrote:
<quoted text>You are.
Do you believe such stories are literal and are factual?
Big A

Hibbing, MN

#9 Jun 13, 2013
Ends of Times wrote:
Does John 3:13 mean that no one went to Heaven before Jesus?"
Answer: In John 3:13 Jesus says to Nicodemus,“No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven–the Son of Man.” This verse is somewhat difficult to interpret and is often misunderstood. It is also frequently used by those who want to find contradictions in the Bible.
We must keep the verse in context. In verses 10-12, especially, we see that Jesus is talking about His authority and the validity of His teaching. Jesus tells Nicodemus that He has been teaching what He knew firsthand:“We speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen”(verse 11). Then, in verse 13 Jesus explains why He is uniquely qualified to teach of the kingdom of God—namely, because He alone came down from heaven and possesses the knowledge to teach people about heaven. Jesus alone has seen the Father, and He alone is qualified to declare God and make Him known (John 1:18).
The gist of John 3:13 is this:“None of your earthly teachers can really teach you about heaven, because none of them have actually been there. However, I have been there. In fact, it is My home. I have come to you from heaven, and I have brought with Me experiential knowledge of that place. My testimony carries weight; I can tell you the truth about salvation.” The NLT brings out the meaning well:“No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heaven.”
In claiming a heavenly abode, Jesus was claiming deity. Nicodemus himself had already admitted that Jesus was extraordinary when he said,“We know you are a teacher who has come from God”
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/John-3-13.html#ix...
How did Enoch, Noah and Abraham know the will of "God" without a Bible while apparently no-one else did? Did they receive preferential treatment by getting direct communication from "God" while the others of their time did not?
Emperor Cyrus

Philippines

#10 Jun 13, 2013
Big A wrote:
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How did Enoch, Noah and Abraham know the will of "God" without a Bible while apparently no-one else did? Did they receive preferential treatment by getting direct communication from "God" while the others of their time did not?
Yes exactly. They were the imperfect good guys during their times.

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#11 Jun 13, 2013
Ends of Times wrote:
We know that only 8 people survived the flood, so all of human creation was left to 8 people. So everyone else died. How many of these people went to heaven and did Adam, Eve, Cain or Abel go to heaven?
Obviously all of them went to Hell except children or those didn't know. Unless we believe that God slaughters those who believe in Him.
little lamb

Australia

#12 Jun 13, 2013
Scripture states that Jesus is the first born from the dead, that he might be first in all things

Every other human being who died went back to the ground ..

" Dust you are and to dust you will return'

The book of Daniel tells us where they are

Daniel 12 [2] And there will be many ASLEEP in the ground of dust , who will wake up....."

And John 5 [28] " Do not marvel at this , because the hour is coming in which all those in memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who did bad things to a resurrection of judgment.'
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#13 Jun 13, 2013
Emperor Cyrus wrote:
I think the only antediluvian person that is in heaven right now is Enoch, because he was taken alive by God even before he got old and before the great flood. Adam, Eve, Abel, Cain, Methuselah, Noah, etc. are still asleep in their graves right now awaiting resurrection during Judgement Day.
It would be correct to assume that Enoch was the only antediluvian person to enter heaven before Christ's crucifixion and resurrection.

However, The frequent New Testament affirmations that Jesus was "raised from the dead" presuppose that the crucified one sojourned in the realm of the dead prior to his resurrection.
This was the first meaning given in the apostolic preaching to Christ's descent into hell: that Jesus, like all men, experienced death and in his soul joined the others in the realm of the dead.
But he descended there as Savior, proclaiming the Good News to the spirits imprisoned there.
(Acts 3:15; Rom 8:11; 1 Cor 15:20; Heb 13:20; 1 Pet 3:18-19)

"The gospel was preached even to the dead."
The descent into hell brings the Gospel message of salvation to complete fulfillment.
This is the last phase of Jesus' messianic mission, a phase which is condensed in time but vast in its real significance: the spread of Christ's redemptive work to all men of all times and all places, for all who are saved have been made sharers in the redemption.
(1 Pet 4:6)

Christ went down into the depths of death so that "the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live."

Jesus, "the Author of life," by dying destroyed "him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and delivered all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage."

Henceforth the risen Christ holds "the keys of Death and Hades," so that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth."

(Jn 5:25; Mt 12:40; Rom 10:7; Eph 4:9; Heb 2:14-15; Acts 3:15; Rev 1:18; Phil 2:10)

Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, "hell"—Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek—because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God.

Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into "Abraham's bosom":
"It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham's bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell."

Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him."

(Phil 2:10; Acts 2:24; Rev 1:18; Eph 4:9; Pss 6:6; 88:11-13; Ps 89:49; 1 Sam 28:19; Ezek 32:17-32; Lk 16:22-26; Roman Catechism I, 6, 3; Council of Rome (745): DS 587; Benedict XII, Cum dudum (1341): DS. 1011; Clement VI, Super quibusdam (1351): DS 1077; Council of Toledo IV (625): DS 485; Mt 27:52-53)
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#14 Jun 13, 2013
Big A wrote:
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How did Enoch, Noah and Abraham know the will of "God" without a Bible while apparently no-one else did?
They had visitations from angels. And God communicated with them by dreams and visions.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#17 Jun 14, 2013
Emperor Cyrus wrote:
<quoted text>Yes exactly. They were the imperfect good guys during their times.
So then the “God” you believe in is not an equal opportunity “God”?
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#18 Jun 14, 2013
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
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Har-Harr!
Another fine example of how internally-contradictory the Bible is, and you fundies are!
How you so easily overlook and/or disrespect your biblegod's basic teaching about death in OT:
"The living at least know they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, nor are they remembered." - Eccl 9:5 NLT
"Do you show your wonders to the dead? Do their spirits rise up and praise you? Is your love declared in the grave, your faithfulness in Destruction? Are your wonders known in the place of darkness, or your righteous deeds in the land of oblivion?" - Psalm 88:10-12
"In the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom." - Eccl 9:10
"For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth." - Isaiah 38:18 KJB
'tis a fun picture that you fundies paint showing your dead savior (who "knows nothing" -Eccl 9:5) preaching to all the deadbeat doornails (who, also, "knows nothing",... and who "cannot hope for thy truth." - Isa 38:18) supposedly yakin to all those dusty deaf-n-dead bones, in total and obvious contradiction of his daddy's teachings about what death and hell is!
Explain please, Amigo, how it is you christers can make up lies like your last one above:
"Christ went down into the depths of death so that the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.",...
in lieu of the fact that your OT teaches many times that such is impossible with the dead!
ALWAYS REMEMBER WHAT YOUR BIBLEGOD SAYS OF DEATH:
"The living at least know they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, nor are they remembered." - Eccl 9:5 NLT
Okay, Amigo,... start your preaching cached in!
Hardie-Har-Har!
Hardie-Har-Har!

Jesus came to reveal what the old Testament writers did not yet understand.

Elementary, my dear Har. Elementary.
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#20 Jun 15, 2013
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
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Har-Har-HAR-R-R!!
Your biblejesus claims that the OT's "YHWH" is his god and father, and that the words of the OT are directly from his daddy, Jehovah.
So those quotes in my prev postage to you, Amigo, supposedly are, "THE TRUTHFUL WORDS OF GOD!" - 2 Timothy 3
So,... YOU are saying that YHWH's definition of DEATH in the OT was WRONG, and that Jesus's Dad gave those Jewish writers WRONG INFORMATION (lied!) and Jesus had to correct his daddy' misgivings?
Those OT scriptures LIE when they say, "The dead know not anything and no longer have any reward and are totally forgotten", etc.!!
Shouldn't you be BITING YOUR TONGUE there, Mi Amigo, for calling your biblegod a big liar or, at least, ignorant of the facts!???
Hardie-Har-Har!
You are confused, mi campiso.
Jesus explained the condition of those asleep in death with The Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus.

“There was a rich man who dressed in purple garments and fine linen and dined sumptuously each day. And lying at his door was a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who would gladly have eaten his fill of the scraps that fell from the rich man’s table. Dogs even used to come and lick his sores.

When the poor man died, he was carried away by angels to the bosom of Abraham.
The rich man also died and was buried, and from the netherworld, where he was in torment, he raised his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
And he cried out,‘Father Abraham, have pity on me. Send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am suffering torment in these flames.’

Abraham replied,‘My child, remember that you received what was good during your lifetime while Lazarus likewise received what was bad; but now he is comforted here, whereas you are tormented.
Moreover, between us and you a great chasm is established to prevent anyone from crossing who might wish to go from our side to yours or from your side to ours.’
He said,‘Then I beg you, father, send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, so that he may warn them, lest they too come to this place of torment.’

But Abraham replied,‘They have Moses and the prophets. Let them listen to them.’

He said,‘Oh no, father Abraham, but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
Then Abraham said,‘If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone should rise from the dead.’”
Punisher

New York, NY

#22 Jun 15, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Obviously all of them went to Hell except children or those didn't know. Unless we believe that God slaughters those who believe in Him.
Belief alone will not save you from the slaughter. You are not exempt.

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#25 Jun 16, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Belief alone will not save you from the slaughter. You are not exempt.
I don't hold stock in unGodly opinions.

Psalm 1:1 (NKJV)
1 Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#26 Jun 16, 2013
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
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Another "Maggie's Drawers" miles-wide miss for you, Amigo!
Who lied about the DEATH CONDITION, Jesus or his idiot Dad??(LOL)
YHWH said "Death means NO SH*IT (NADA) HAPPENING",...
Jesus say "Death means LOTSA SH*IT GOES ON DOWN DERE!"
One of them's lyin', BIG TIME!... so, YOU own the "con-fusion!"
Get yo sh*it together, Mi Amigo!
Hardie-Har-Har!
There appears to be some confusion on your part.

I believe The Bible contains the word of God.

Do you actually think everything written in The Bible is God's words?
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#28 Jun 17, 2013
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
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Cisco looked in the mirror and said to himself:
"There appears to be some confusion on your part."
There's NO CONFUSION, except with U and Ur Bible,...
which teaches two totally contradictory things about what death is:
OT, "Death is NON-EXISTENCE and the dead are totally gone and forgotten by YHWH (god)!" (see bible quotes in my prev posts)
NT, "The Dead are alive and full of activity, with souls that are immortal living in "Hell, Hellfire, or Heaven." (see prev quotes!)
Either the "Old Testicle" is lying, Amigo, or the "New Testicle" is lying. Either Yahweh spoke truth about the dead or Jesus did.
U can't have it both ways on "DEATH!" One of your gods is lying!
Good thing God is patient waiting for mankind to mature spiritually and come to a better understanding of revelation.

That's one of the reasons God came to earth as the son of man Jesus, to take mankind to the next level.
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
Cisco looked in the mirror again and said to himself:
"I believe The Bible contains the word of God.
Do you actually think everything written in The Bible is God's words?"
Cisco, like his gods and his bible, tries to lie to himself by saying, "I BELIEVE THE BIBLE"; and then, like a Jekyll and Hide,
Cisco does a 180 and asks himself, "Do you actually think everything written in The Bible is God's words?" (LOL)
"O' what webs we weave (Amigo) when first we practice to deceive!"
Hardie-Har-Har!
God has also been patient with you,.......so far.
Hardee-har-har.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#29 Jun 18, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Good thing God is patient waiting for mankind to mature spiritually and come to a better understanding of revelation.
That's one of the reasons God came to earth as the son of man Jesus, to take mankind to the next level.
<quoted text>
God has also been patient with you,.......so far.
Hardee-har-har.
What possible meaning could the word “patience” have in relation to an omniscient being who already knows everything? You have not been brought up to the “next level” by simply bringing your “God” down to your level.
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#30 Jun 18, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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What possible meaning could the word “patience” have in relation to an omniscient being who already knows everything? You have not been brought up to the “next level” by simply bringing your “God” down to your level.
Think about it.
Just because God is omniscient doesn't mean You are.
Mankind has been evolving for a long time.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#31 Jun 18, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Think about it.
Just because God is omniscient doesn't mean You are.
Mankind has been evolving for a long time.
I never suggested I was omniscient. I merely pointed out that “being patient” might apply to an ordinary non-omniscient human being but not to an omniscient “God”.

Think about it!
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#32 Jun 18, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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I never suggested I was omniscient. I merely pointed out that “being patient” might apply to an ordinary non-omniscient human being but not to an omniscient “God”.
Think about it!
God is love.
Love begets patience.

I've thought about it.

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