Should we enforce the Biblical punish...

Should we enforce the Biblical punishment on homosexuality?

Created by Black Hebrew on Jan 12, 2013

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Yes!!! I'd volunteer to be executioner!

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Las Vegas, NV

#1 Jan 13, 2013
Excuse me?

You enforce the laws?

And who are you my friend?

There is only one who can ultimately enforce his own laws, and that would be God, not us, the only dam reason those people could have ever done so was because God told them to.

Holy freaking crap we have all lost are minds and we are horrible, I hope that he goes easy on all of us, not that any of us deserve such a thing though.

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#2 Jan 13, 2013
oh it another of the idiot from NC'c thread.. old black hebrew liar! Too bad she cant even show her fugly face in the thread LMAO!
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#3 Jan 14, 2013
Where's the option, "The bible exists but the answer is still no."?

“so tell me......”

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#4 Jan 14, 2013
No.

Cookie_Parker

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#5 Jan 14, 2013
There are no laws that punish homosexuality from God. Just the Jewish laws that admonished it being so exhibited in public.

Soddom and Gomorrah was a parable about what will happen to people if they are not kind to strangers and others...nothing more, nothing less.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#6 Jan 14, 2013
Those that respect the meaning of Sodom and Gomorrah story also endorse paedophilia.
Cookie_Parker wrote:
There are no laws that punish homosexuality from God. Just the Jewish laws that admonished it being so exhibited in public.
Soddom and Gomorrah was a parable about what will happen to people if they are not kind to strangers and others...nothing more, nothing less.
Frank

Raeford, NC

#7 Jan 14, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
There are no laws that punish homosexuality from God. Just the Jewish laws that admonished it being so exhibited in public.
Soddom and Gomorrah was a parable about what will happen to people if they are not kind to strangers and others...nothing more, nothing less.
Being deceitful is part of your nature, so I expect nothing less from you as that was why G-d put on earth. You can make it mean whatever your twisted mind would like, however the original is what it is. That p.c interretation of yours holds no water.

May you be cursed.
Frank

Raeford, NC

#8 Jan 14, 2013
**typos**

Cookie_Parker

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#9 Jan 14, 2013
Frank wrote:
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Being deceitful is part of your nature, so I expect nothing less from you as that was why G-d put on earth. You can make it mean whatever your twisted mind would like, however the original is what it is. That p.c interretation of yours holds no water.
May you be cursed.
And your punishments for gays coming from god are where?
Frank

Raeford, NC

#10 Jan 14, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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And your punishments for gays coming from god are where?
You know where they come from however you've re-interpreted them according to your personal whims and desires.

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#11 Jan 14, 2013
oh frank. er black hebrew.. er whatever new name you'll use.. how pathetic!

Use mary next time.. it fits better pansy!

Cookie_Parker

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#12 Jan 14, 2013
Frank wrote:
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You know where they come from however you've re-interpreted them according to your personal whims and desires.
They are NO where in the Bible..it's a fallacy. Much like much of what the born again evangelicals say.
Frank

Raeford, NC

#13 Jan 14, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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They are NO where in the Bible..it's a fallacy. Much like much of what the born again evangelicals say.
According to you, however Torah scholars and those familiar with Israel's history would disagree with you. But of course your a liberal white American so your interpretation of these verses prevails over several thousand years of jewish interpretation, lol.

Here ya go, an excerpt from an article by Hebrew speaking "jewish people":

Article:
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"According to the Bible, homosexual acts are "to'evah," an abomination.

In Leviticus 18:22, it is written: "And you shall not cohabit with a male as one cohabits with a woman; it is an abomination."

And in Leviticus 20:13, it is written: "And if a man cohabits with a male as with a woman, both of them have done an abominable thing; they shall be put to death; their blood falls back upon them."

The Biblical prohibition of homosexual acts seems harsh at first glance, but not all orthodox Jews interpret these passages in a simple way.

Boteach

Rabbi Shmuel Boteach, Chairman of the Oxford University L'Chaim Society and author, uses a wider perspective in his interpretation of these passages. Boteach has developed a more humane interpretation of G-d's mandate for heterosexual acts and prohibition of homosexual acts.

According to Boteach, homosexual acts are wrong simply because the Torah says they are wrong, and not because they are an aberration or sickness. Sexuality as a whole is instinctive, and both heterosexuality and homosexuality are natural. Then why does G-d say that heterosexual love is holy and homosexual love is an abomination? Heterosexual love is the way the human race propagates itself. G-d demands that we regulate our sexual activity so that we will lead happier lives and fulfill our commitments to our communities. "

Cookie_Parker

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#14 Jan 14, 2013
Frank wrote:
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According to you, however Torah scholars and those familiar with Israel's history would disagree with you. But of course your a liberal white American so your interpretation of these verses prevails over several thousand years of jewish interpretation, lol.
Here ya go, an excerpt from an article by Hebrew speaking "jewish people":
Article:
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"According to the Bible, homosexual acts are "to'evah," an abomination.
In Leviticus 18:22, it is written: "And you shall not cohabit with a male as one cohabits with a woman; it is an abomination."
And in Leviticus 20:13, it is written: "And if a man cohabits with a male as with a woman, both of them have done an abominable thing; they shall be put to death; their blood falls back upon them."
The Biblical prohibition of homosexual acts seems harsh at first glance, but not all orthodox Jews interpret these passages in a simple way.
Boteach
Rabbi Shmuel Boteach, Chairman of the Oxford University L'Chaim Society and author, uses a wider perspective in his interpretation of these passages. Boteach has developed a more humane interpretation of G-d's mandate for heterosexual acts and prohibition of homosexual acts.
According to Boteach, homosexual acts are wrong simply because the Torah says they are wrong, and not because they are an aberration or sickness. Sexuality as a whole is instinctive, and both heterosexuality and homosexuality are natural. Then why does G-d say that heterosexual love is holy and homosexual love is an abomination? Heterosexual love is the way the human race propagates itself. G-d demands that we regulate our sexual activity so that we will lead happier lives and fulfill our commitments to our communities. "
Well, that's not true. Is it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorr...

Jewish

Rictor Norton views classical Jewish texts as stressing the cruelty and lack of hospitality of the inhabitants of Sodom to the "stranger".[28] The Jewish Encyclopedia has information on the importance of hospitality to the Jewish people.[29] The people of Sodom were seen as guilty of many other significant sins. Rabbinic writings affirm that the Sodomites also committed economic crimes, blasphemy and bloodshed.[30] One of the worst was to give money or even gold ingots to beggars, after inscribing their names on them, and then subsequently refusing to sell them food. The unfortunate stranger would end up starving and after his death, the people who gave him the money would reclaim it.

Cookie_Parker

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#15 Jan 14, 2013
A rabbinic tradition, described in the Mishnah, postulates that the sin of Sodom was related to property: Sodomites believed that "what is mine is mine, and what is yours is yours" (Abot), which is interpreted as a lack of compassion. Another rabbinic tradition is that these two wealthy cities treated visitors in a sadistic fashion. One major crime done to strangers was almost identical to that of Procrustes in Greek mythology. This would be the story of the "bed" that guests to Sodom were forced to sleep in: if they were too short they were stretched to fit it, and if they were too tall, they were cut up (indeed, in Hebrew and Yiddish, the corresponding term for a Procrustean bed is a "Sodom bed").

In another incident, Eliezer, Abraham's servant, went to visit Lot in Sodom and got in a dispute with a Sodomite over a beggar, and was hit in the forehead with a stone, making him bleed. The Sodomite demanded Eliezer pay him for the service of bloodletting, and a Sodomite judge sided with the Sodomite. Eliezer then struck the judge in the forehead with a stone and asked the judge to pay the Sodomite.

The Talmud and the book of Jasher also recount two incidents of a young girl (one involved Lot's daughter Paltith) who gave some bread to a poor man who had entered the city. When the townspeople discovered their acts of kindness, they burned Paltith and smeared the other girl's body with honey and hung her from the city wall until she was eaten by bees.(Sanhedrin 109a.) It is this gruesome event, and her scream in particular, the Talmud concludes, that are alluded to in the verse that heralds the city's destruction: "So[31] said,'Because the outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah has become great, and because their sin has been very grave, I will descend and see...'"[Gen 18:20-21]
Frank

Holly Springs, NC

#16 Jan 14, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Well, that's not true. Is it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorr...
Jewish
Rictor Norton views classical Jewish texts as stressing the cruelty and lack of hospitality of the inhabitants of Sodom to the "stranger".[28] The Jewish Encyclopedia has information on the importance of hospitality to the Jewish people.[29] The people of Sodom were seen as guilty of many other significant sins. Rabbinic writings affirm that the Sodomites also committed economic crimes, blasphemy and bloodshed.[30] One of the worst was to give money or even gold ingots to beggars, after inscribing their names on them, and then subsequently refusing to sell them food. The unfortunate stranger would end up starving and after his death, the people who gave him the money would reclaim it.
That's a re-interpretation. Only Orthodox and most conservartive "jews" will give you the straight dope on these verses and tell the truth about how israelites interpreted them way back when. Now you can RE-INTERPRET them to mean what you want them to mean (i.e., you can re-interpret them according to your "anything goes" liberal mind-set), however they mean what they mean, your--and no one else's- interpretation changes the ORIGINAL meaning.

And yes, you can find "jews" of all types..."reform" jews, "secular Humanist Jews", etc., etc...however the original meaning, as in the meaning that these words held when Moses received them, remains. Now if you think that--as a human being--you have the authority to change the meaning, then do as you will, your times almost up anyways so it doesn't matter.

shalom
Frank

Holly Springs, NC

#17 Jan 14, 2013
Btw Cookie, lo, there's no way of chaning those verses that condem homosexuality. You can re-inrepret them but can't change the original meaning.

Here's something from "Rabbi" Michael Gold, however I doubt tha you'll read it because it states the original meaning of these verses and doesn't conform to your ideals:

****"The basis of the prohibition against homosexual acts derives from two biblical verses in Leviticus:“Do not lie with a male as one lies with a woman; it is an abhorrence”(Leviticus 18:22) and “If a man lies with a male as one lies with a woman, the two of them have done an abhorrent thing; they shall be put to death—their bloodguilt is upon them”(Leviticus 20:13). The Torah considers a homosexual act between two men to be an abhorrent thing (to’evah), punishable by death—a strong prohibition."

And, in this article, he goe's on to explore the rationale behind what happened in Sodmom, however points out that:

***"Note, however, that a Torah prohibition always stands on its own even if no cogent rationale can be found for it"

And here's a bit of man-made Talmudic wisdom on the issue:

***"A Talmudic Interpretation

A more likely explanation for the ban against homosexual behavior is given in the Talmud by Bar Kapparah, who makes a play on the word to’evah (“abomination”), claiming that it means to’eh atah ba (“you go astray because of it”). Both Tosefot and the Asheri (medieval commentators) comment on this passage that a man will leave his wife and family to pursue a relationship with another man. In other words, homosexuality undermines and threatens the Jewish ideal of family life, of marriage and children, articulated in the Torah. Heterosexuality is the communal norm for Jews; homosexuality, a perversion of that norm."

I'm right and your wrong. I believe in the original meaning and you believe in the modern-liberal-"jewish " re-interpretation.

“Only Biblical methods will ”

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#18 Jan 14, 2013
The wages of any sin is death. How did you choose which sin to enforce the punishment for? Enforce the punishment for all sins, and we commit genocide.

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#19 Jan 14, 2013
Seriously__ wrote:
The wages of any sin is death. How did you choose which sin to enforce the punishment for? Enforce the punishment for all sins, and we commit genocide.
the fundies will give you the list.. they're good at listing those 'sinners' they hate.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#20 Jan 14, 2013
Eh? Speak up.
Seriously__ wrote:
The wages of any sin is death.

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