tithing??

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#21 Sep 2, 2011
SisTeresa wrote:
Hi, Preacherman.
May I ask if the churches you minister to publish a monthly financial statement for the members listing all incoming and outgoing money, as well as salaries?
Yes we do, My lawer post it in the Church and we give statement's to everyone every three month...

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#22 Sep 2, 2011
I don't know if anyone ask this or not so I will post it anyway. If anyone want to know if I pay taxes yes I do, and everyone in my Churches does get a copy of that also. I believe in being honesty with people if any Pastor can't do that then they are not a Pastor...

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#23 Sep 2, 2011
Time to shut down for the night good night everyone and God bless all....
resident

Brooklyn, NY

#24 Sep 2, 2011
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
<quoted text> I got a lawer that takes care of all that for me, but to answer your question. Yes I do tithe on anything I get no matter what it may be, and yes I am a Pastor thank you.
Kevin?
WAKEUP

Tinley Park, IL

#25 Sep 3, 2011
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
Scripture: Malachi 3:10, "bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of Heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it."
This is something that most Preachers will not talk very much about in church. Why, because they aren't very much of a Preacher never let the "people" in your church control your church. At my Church that God give me, God is in control not me or the people. I tell the people if you don't give you will put a curse on yourself and your family that is Bible. What is your thoughts on this, and back it up with the word of God please....
Malachi is speaking to those who were under the Old Covenant Law. It is speaking about the "tithes and offerings" that were required by the Old Covenant Law. It's speaking about the curse that God said would be on anyone who did not do ALL that the Old Covenant Law required. None of this applies to Christians who are under a New Covenant.

There is no New Covenant tithe. There is no command from God for Christians to tithe. No where in the Bible does it say that Christians must give ten percent of their income to the local church. You are teaching something that is not scriptural. You are teaching something that is not true. Worse, you are trying to scare people into giving you this money by telling them that God will curse them if they don't tithe. There is no New Covenant curse except the one that is on those who rely on works of the law to be made right with God.(GAL 3:10)

That's not God. That's a man who is knowingly teaching something that is not true and using fear to get the money he needs to fund his church.
FSM

Fitzroy, Australia

#26 Sep 3, 2011
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
Scripture: Malachi 3:10, "bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of Heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it."
1. The first thing to recognize about tithing is that it was organic produce, not money:

Leviticus 27:30-32 "A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD. If a man redeems any of his tithe, he must add a fifth of the value to it. The entire tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd's rod—will be holy to the LORD."

2)Most tithes were taken to levitical cities, not the storehouse described in Malachi which was part of the temple.

Neh 10:37b “And we will bring a tithe of our crops to the Levites, for it is the Levites who collect the tithes in all the towns where we work.”

3) Malachi 3:10 "That there may be meat in my house". The meat was literal meat, from the herds and flocks given as tithes. The Levites at the temple did not receive an inheritance (Deuteronomy 18:1), therefore they were looked after from the tithes (organic produce) which were a form of tax.

4) It was the Levites and priests who were robbing God, not the common people. They were the only people authorized to bring the tithes into the temple.

Neh 10:38 “and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house”(ie 10% of the tithe went to the temple).

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#27 Sep 3, 2011
WAKEUP wrote:
<quoted text>
Malachi is speaking to those who were under the Old Covenant Law. It is speaking about the "tithes and offerings" that were required by the Old Covenant Law. It's speaking about the curse that God said would be on anyone who did not do ALL that the Old Covenant Law required. None of this applies to Christians who are under a New Covenant.
There is no New Covenant tithe. There is no command from God for Christians to tithe. No where in the Bible does it say that Christians must give ten percent of their income to the local church. You are teaching something that is not scriptural. You are teaching something that is not true. Worse, you are trying to scare people into giving you this money by telling them that God will curse them if they don't tithe. There is no New Covenant curse except the one that is on those who rely on works of the law to be made right with God.(GAL 3:10)
That's not God. That's a man who is knowingly teaching something that is not true and using fear to get the money he needs to fund his church.
False!!
WAKEUP

Tinley Park, IL

#28 Sep 3, 2011
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
<quoted text>False!!
True!!!

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#29 Sep 3, 2011
Some people think we are not under the old law anymore that is false! Jesus have come to fulfill the old law and not to do away with it. That means we are to live by the Bible laws and rules fact. What I am saying here is the Bible is what we are to live by the OT/NT.
Some people don't want to live by the OT/NT, but they are wrong to do so. If we weren't to do so then what use would the Bible be to mankind then? I Live by the OT/NT, this is why I walk away from the denominational lies. We preach the truth just like God want us to do. We don't do things in life mans way, we do it by Gods way...

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#30 Sep 3, 2011
Gratitude...Tithing is a way to say "thanks" in a tangible way to God for all that He has done.
Bless, Malachi 3:10. Blessing comes because of "obedience"...Joy it is better to give then to receive, be a cheerful.
Spiritual people are tithers, Love is the best reason for tithing. If you love the Lord then you will be obedience to the word of God. If you are not obedience, then you will not be bless but you will be curse, you can say you reap what you sow...
WAKEUP

Tinley Park, IL

#31 Sep 3, 2011
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
Some people think we are not under the old law anymore that is false! Jesus have come to fulfill the old law and not to do away with it. That means we are to live by the Bible laws and rules fact. What I am saying here is the Bible is what we are to live by the OT/NT.
Some people don't want to live by the OT/NT, but they are wrong to do so. If we weren't to do so then what use would the Bible be to mankind then? I Live by the OT/NT, this is why I walk away from the denominational lies. We preach the truth just like God want us to do. We don't do things in life mans way, we do it by Gods way...
Not true. Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the Law. He received God's blessing that came from doing all that the Law required. We receive that blessing through Jesus by faith.

If you insist on doing what the Law required to be made right with God, then for you Jesus died in vain.

Gal 3:10

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written,“Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”

But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written,“Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”

- so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#32 Sep 3, 2011
resident wrote:
<quoted text>
Kevin?
???????
WAKEUP

Tinley Park, IL

#33 Sep 3, 2011
The Old Covenant Law is composed of 613 commandments. Tithes (yes there were more than one required) and offerings make up only a part of what is required by the Law.

Do you do ALL that was required by the Law?

If not, the Bible says you are cursed.(GAL 3)

And if you say you tithe because the Law requires that you tithe ... then you logically must go through the list of 613 commands and continue to obey every one of them.

By the way, God's instructions about tithing under the Law are very specific. So, if you are going to tithe, make sure you tithe the exact way God requires.

And yes, if you choose to put yourself under the Law and do not pay all the required tithes and offerings, then you are indeed robbing God.

But the New Testament is very clear that Christians are not under the Old Testament Jewish Law or the law of Moses. Tithing is part of that Law. Therefore, Christians do not have to tithe.

"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Romans 6:14.

Christians are ”dead to the law." Romans 7:4.

"If ye be led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law" Galatians 5:18.

Christians are "delivered from the law." Romans 7:6.

"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster “[the law]. Galatians 3:24-25.

For Christians, the Law is "that which is done away." II Corinthians 3:11.

For Christians, the Law is "that which is abolished." II Corinthians 3:13.

For Christians, Jesus, on the Cross, was "blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us." Colossians 2:14.

For Christians, the Law is taken "out of the way" and nailed "to his cross." Colossians 2:14.
WAKEUP

Tinley Park, IL

#34 Sep 3, 2011
By the way, I have always asserted that Christians should be generous givers. The Bible is clear that we should share what we have with those in need and help support those in ministry.

But I also assert that Christians are under no scriptural obligation to give ten percent of their income to the local church.
resident

Brooklyn, NY

#35 Sep 3, 2011
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
<quoted text>???????
Is Kevin your name?

“He is Risen”

Since: Jun 09

United States

#36 Sep 3, 2011
Psalm 147:19-20 "He declares His words to Jacob,
His statutes and His ordinances to Israel.
He has not dealt thus with any nation; And as for His ordinances, they have not known them. Praise the LORD!"

Romans 6:14 "For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace."

Psalm tells us that Gentile nations were not under the Law of Moses. Paul tells us in Romans that were are not under law but grace. So where in the "New Testament" are we told that we are to tithe 10% of our income?

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#37 Sep 3, 2011
resident wrote:
<quoted text>
Is Kevin your name?
NO, my first name is Dennis.
resident

Brooklyn, NY

#38 Sep 3, 2011
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
<quoted text> NO, my first name is Dennis.
Who is Kevin to you?

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#39 Sep 3, 2011
resident wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is Kevin to you?
The only Kevin's I know is my brother-In law and my X partner when I was a Lawman.
resident

Brooklyn, NY

#40 Sep 3, 2011
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
<quoted text>The only Kevin's I know is my brother-In law and my X partner when I was a Lawman.
Are either a computer engineer? If so pray for him,something is not right.

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