Where does the bible teach once saved...

Where does the bible teach once saved always saved?

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Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#1 Apr 19, 2013
Alot of Christians think once they get saved they can do what they please and not be accountable for their action because they were once saved, so they will always be saved.

Where in the bible does it teach this concept?

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#2 Apr 19, 2013
They base this idea on:

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

However, that verse does not state that the individual cannot forfeit their own salvation. Other verses clearly state an individual CAN forfeit their own salvation by their actions, it just cannot be taken from them by another.

A Christian will still have to answer for their actions upon Judgement. This answering for their actions does not mean they will not be granted salvation. It does mean what it says; we will have to answer for our actions and our words whether they were positive or negative.

God bless you and yours.
pro active

Las Vegas, NV

#3 Apr 19, 2013
Actually, the bible states that you do not choose to be saved from death, but that God saves you, no choice involved.

Saved from death by the way, not hell. Hell came from egypt, egypt is a metaphor!

Who does God save? ALL! But fist what happens? JUDGEMENT!

It's like we are down here barking at him to save us, and saying "okay, you can save me now, i will allow it!"

Could you imagine! Saying to him! "i say that you are allowed to save me now! Because i said so!"

Or "i invite you to save me! Because i said so!"

We all are born with the galls of horny and wild oxen.3671
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#4 Apr 19, 2013
pro active wrote:
Actually, the bible states that you do not choose to be saved from death, but that God saves you, no choice involved.
Saved from death by the way, not hell. Hell came from egypt, egypt is a metaphor!
Who does God save? ALL! But fist what happens? JUDGEMENT!
It's like we are down here barking at him to save us, and saying "okay, you can save me now, i will allow it!"
Could you imagine! Saying to him! "i say that you are allowed to save me now! Because i said so!"
Or "i invite you to save me! Because i said so!"
We all are born with the galls of horny and wild oxen.3671
Excellent! Great point...and so describes the average American Xtian. "Come on God, I say its time, do as I say! Saaaave me!" Love it!

I'm stealing this...!
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#5 Apr 19, 2013
Luther and then Calvin, et al, invented and preached the Doctrine of Election to assuage the ever present anxiety of not-knowing ones status with this God. It was invented in reaction to the RCC's sporadic practice of indulgence selling. Which was also a way to ease ones anxiety about where one stood with this God.

Luther was pretty strict in his applications, always sticking with the idea/belief that nothing a Xtian can do is good, even if it is actually a good act. While Calvin was much looser, inventing a quasi-metric to measure ones salvation and KNOW it and sit comfortably as always saved. As long as one claimed faith.

Over time, into modernity, it got looser and looser - as normal anxieties never go away - to the point we have now where the "Name it and Claim it!" crowd have so loosened the screws all one need do is perform a ritual (while they hate the RCC's and their rituals) and be saved in full and for good.

Show up at a prayer festival, "get that garldarned spirit in ya" and shout it out and be witnessed doing it...maybe shake a little, sweat and cry a lot, and if you fall down on your knees, "Oh lord you are golden with god!"

Do this say on a Friday, and on Monday you're a full-fledged expert and certified Xtian pr/ck, ready to go out and preach the word and accuse others of being sinners and condemned! No internship, no apprenticeship, no study, no real self-work done on oneself - just "Name it and Claim it!" and you're saved.
Uncircumcised Philistine

Jackson, GA

#6 Apr 19, 2013
The bible doesnt teach once saved always saved. Peter clearly teaches that if you return to your old ways, you are walking away from God.

2 Peter 2:20-22
New King James Version (NKJV)
20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb:“A dog returns to his own vomit,”[a] and,“a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

and so does Hebrews as well

Hebrews 10:26-29

New King James Version (NKJV)
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

You cannot be saved and live as you please afterwards.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#7 Apr 19, 2013
Ant wrote:
Alot of Christians think once they get saved they can do what they please and not be accountable for their action because they were once saved, so they will always be saved.
Where in the bible does it teach this concept?
It doesn't. AT ALL!
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#8 Apr 19, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent! Great point...and so describes the average American Xtian. "Come on God, I say its time, do as I say! Saaaave me!" Love it!
I'm stealing this...!
No surprise, so you can add it to the other twisted interpretations you have.

God saves you in HIS time, not YOURS. You do not have ANY effect on it and that is what you hate and whine about. It is not about YOU YOU YOU and never WAS.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#9 Apr 19, 2013
Ant wrote:
Alot of Christians think once they get saved they can do what they please and not be accountable for their action because they were once saved, so they will always be saved.

Where in the bible does it teach this concept?
'Once Saved, Always Saved' is not in scripture.
That's a Calvinist Doctrine invented 1500 years after the Bible was produced by The Catholic Church.

You gotta live Christianity like a marathon, it's a daily challenge.

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#10 Apr 19, 2013
Paul does say that "those He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son," in Romans 8:29. So, we are guaranteed to be conformed to Jesus; we are not guaranteed that we will go to Heaven, no matter what sins we keep on committing.

"Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much." (James 5:16)

We confess to each other, and pray for each other, and become "healed" into the image of Jesus.

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

So, our assurance of salvation is not only that we said a prayer for Jesus to save us, but our reason for "boldness in the day of judgment" is how we are perfected in God's love making us "as He is" "in this world." > not in the next life, but "in this world."

Procrastination is not salvation.

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#11 Apr 19, 2013
The Bible doesn't.

Luke 13:23-24 (NKJV)
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them, 24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#12 Apr 22, 2013
Uncircumcised Philistine wrote:
The bible doesnt teach once saved always saved. Peter clearly teaches that if you return to your old ways, you are walking away from God.
2 Peter 2:20-22
New King James Version (NKJV)
20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb:“A dog returns to his own vomit,”[a] and,“a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”
and so does Hebrews as well
Hebrews 10:26-29
New King James Version (NKJV)
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
You cannot be saved and live as you please afterwards.
True, you will not hear these 2 sets of verses taught in churches at all
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#13 Apr 22, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
<quoted text>
No surprise, so you can add it to the other twisted interpretations you have.
God saves you in HIS time, not YOURS. You do not have ANY effect on it and that is what you hate and whine about. It is not about YOU YOU YOU and never WAS.
So then why are Xtians like you always demanding people to believe, and to do it NOW!?!?!

If you God is gonna save me, YOU, YOU, YOU, have nothing to say about it...and as such continue to sin when you overstep your bounds as a simple(ton) Xtian.

Whats really funny is that I'm always saying this to Xtians - but they always fall-back on their demands that others must worship as they do on their time-line...
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#14 Apr 22, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
<quoted text>
No surprise, so you can add it to the other twisted interpretations you have.
God saves you in HIS time, not YOURS. You do not have ANY effect on it and that is what you hate and whine about. It is not about YOU YOU YOU and never WAS.
And again the point eludes you. The point was American Born Again's are the ones doing the deciding of the when and if. Show up at a prayer jamboree, "get that old spirit in ya" - and if you're really committed, fall on your knees, sway a lot...cry too...and Wham! Saved! And saved for all time.

American Xtians tell their God what he's gonna do. Its the American way of Worship.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#15 Apr 22, 2013
Ant wrote:
<quoted text>
True, you will not hear these 2 sets of verses taught in churches at all
Yes you do. That's where I heard it first, in church.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#16 Apr 22, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>So then why are Xtians like you always demanding people to believe, and to do it NOW!?!?!
If you God is gonna save me, YOU, YOU, YOU, have nothing to say about it...and as such continue to sin when you overstep your bounds as a simple(ton) Xtian.
Whats really funny is that I'm always saying this to Xtians - but they always fall-back on their demands that others must worship as they do on their time-line...
I demand NOTHING of you. I quote and spread His Word as He said to do. It's not up to ME to save you! If you want to go to hell, then go and no one is stopping you. Like I said, it is GODS choice to convict you of your sins and save you, not MINE!

And guess what? You MUST worship as Christians do because there IS NO OTHER WAY TO BE SAVED.

My God, your arrogance and stupidity is astounding!
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#17 Apr 22, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>And again the point eludes you. The point was American Born Again's are the ones doing the deciding of the when and if. Show up at a prayer jamboree, "get that old spirit in ya" - and if you're really committed, fall on your knees, sway a lot...cry too...and Wham! Saved! And saved for all time.
American Xtians tell their God what he's gonna do. Its the American way of Worship.
I'm sick of your smart mouthed "American Christian" slam. Christians are WORLDWIDE and will tell you the same THING! Jesus Christ is the ONLY Way to salvation.

You are pathetic and a simpleton, showing you have no INKLING of what Christianity is.

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