The word was with God
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#102 Jul 5, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Vague at best.
Colossians 1:16 (NKJV)
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
Jesus is the Creator.
John>>

You say Vague at Best well who blinds the minds of the unbelievers then?

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#103 Jul 5, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
<quoted text>
John>>
Creation is By God and through Christ.
1 Corinthians 8:6
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
John 1:3
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
Hebrews 1:2
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.
What happened to Col 1:16?
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#104 Jul 5, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
What happened to Col 1:16?
John>>

Colossians 1:16
Expanded Bible (EXB)
16 ·Through his power [L&#8239;In him; or By him] all things were created [John 1:3; Heb. 1:2]—things in heaven and on earth, things seen and unseen, all ·powers [or heavenly authorities; L&#8239;thrones],·authorit ies [dominions; kingdoms],·lords [rulers], and ·rulers [authorities; C&#8239;these four may refer to angelic hierarchies, or to earthly and heavenly rulers]. All things were created through Christ and for Christ.

2 But now in these last days God has spoken to us through ·his Son [or a son; 1:3]. God has ·chosen [appointed] his Son to ·own [be heir/inheritor of] all things, and through him he made the ·world [universe; ages; C&#8239;comprising both space and time; John 1:3].

1 Corinthians 8:6
Expanded Bible (EXB)
6 for us there is only one God—the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord—Jesus Christ. All things were made through him, and we also ·were made [exist; live] through him.

John 1:3
Expanded Bible (EXB)
3 All things ·were made [were created; came to be]·by [through] him, and nothing ·was made [came to be] without him [Prov. 8:22–31].

Proverbs 8:22-31
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
22 From the beginning,
I was with the Lord.[a]
I was there before he began
23 to create the earth.
At the very first,
the Lord gave life to[b] me.
24 When I was born,
there were no oceans
or springs of water.
25 My birth was before
mountains were formed
or hills were put in place.
26 It happened long before God
had made the earth
or any of its fields
or even the dust.
27 I was there when the Lord
put the heavens in place
and stretched the sky
over the surface of the sea.
28 I was with him when he placed
the clouds in the sky
and created the springs
that fill the ocean.
29 I was there when he set
boundaries for the sea
to make it obey him,
and when he laid foundations
to support the earth.
30 I was right beside the Lord,
helping him plan and build.[c]
I made him happy each day,
and I was happy at his side.
31 I was pleased with his world
and pleased with its people.

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#105 Jul 5, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
<quoted text>
John>>
Colossians 1:16
Expanded Bible (EXB)
16 ·Through his power [L&#8239;In him; or By him] all things were created
Exactly! Jesus is God.
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#106 Jul 5, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly! Jesus is God.
John>>

through him, his power was given him by God.

1 Corinthians 8:6
Expanded Bible (EXB)
6 for us there is only one God—the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord—Jesus Christ. All things were made through him, and we also ·were made [exist; live] through him.

Proverbs 8:22-31
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
22 From the beginning,
I was with the Lord.[a]
I was there before he began
23 to create the earth.
At the very first,
the Lord gave life to[b] me.
24 When I was born,
there were no oceans
or springs of water.
25 My birth was before
mountains were formed
or hills were put in place.
26 It happened long before God
had made the earth
or any of its fields
or even the dust.
27 I was there when the Lord
put the heavens in place
and stretched the sky
over the surface of the sea.
28 I was with him when he placed
the clouds in the sky
and created the springs
that fill the ocean.
29 I was there when he set
boundaries for the sea
to make it obey him,
and when he laid foundations
to support the earth.
30 I was right beside the Lord,
helping him plan and build.[c]
I made him happy each day,
and I was happy at his side.
31 I was pleased with his world
and pleased with its people.

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#107 Jul 5, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
<quoted text>
John>>
through him, his power was given him by God.
1 Corinthians 8:6
Expanded Bible (EXB)
6 for us there is only one God—the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord—Jesus Christ. All things were made through him, and we also ·were made [exist; live] through him.
Proverbs 8:22-31
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
22 From the beginning,
I was with the Lord.[a]
I was there before he began
23 to create the earth.
At the very first,
the Lord gave life to[b] me.
24 When I was born,
there were no oceans
or springs of water.
25 My birth was before
mountains were formed
or hills were put in place.
26 It happened long before God
had made the earth
or any of its fields
or even the dust.
27 I was there when the Lord
put the heavens in place
and stretched the sky
over the surface of the sea.
28 I was with him when he placed
the clouds in the sky
and created the springs
that fill the ocean.
29 I was there when he set
boundaries for the sea
to make it obey him,
and when he laid foundations
to support the earth.
30 I was right beside the Lord,
helping him plan and build.[c]
I made him happy each day,
and I was happy at his side.
31 I was pleased with his world
and pleased with its people.
Jesus is God, PERIOD.

"God with us"

Matthew 1:23 (NKJV)
23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

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#108 Jul 5, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
No it doesn't.
Colossians 1:16 (NKJV)
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
Taken out of context this is meaningless. Read the beginning of that chapter and it becomes clear that Paul is praising God, not Jesus.

"We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you because we have heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of the love you have for all God’s people — the faith and love that spring from the hope stored up for you in heaven and about which you have already heard in the true message of the gospel that has come to you. In the same way, the gospel is bearing fruit and growing throughout the whole world - just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood God’s grace. You learned it from Epaphras, our dear fellow servant, who is a faithful minister of Christ on our behalf, and who also told us of your love in the Spirit. For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you. We continually ask God to fill you with the knowledge of his will through all the wisdom and understanding that the Spirit gives, so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God, being strengthened with all power according to his glorious might so that you may have great endurance and patience, and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross."

So from this we learn that Jesus was a blood relative of God the Father, and that Jesus died.

God can't die, so Jesus isn't God.

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#109 Jul 5, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus is God, PERIOD.
"God with us"
Matthew 1:23 (NKJV)
23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."
Too bad that that the original passage (Isaiah 7) didn't refer to Jesus.

And again, you take things out of context. Here is Isaiah 7:14 in context:

Then Isaiah said,“Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also? Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah — he will bring the king of Assyria.”

This boy Immanuel could not be Jesus, because Jesus would not have had to learn wrong from right. If Jesus is God then he has the same knowledge as God.

Furthermore, this prophecy was to have been fulfilled in Ahaz's lifetime, some 700 years before Jesus.

Matthew and the other gospel authors WANTED Isaiah 7 to be about Jesus, but it isn't.
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#110 Jul 5, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus is God, PERIOD.
"God with us"
Matthew 1:23 (NKJV)
23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."
John>>

The same thing was said in the time of Israel was God there then?

Isaiah 8:10
Expanded Bible (EXB)
10 ·Make your plans for the fight [Devise your strategy],
but ·they will be defeated [it will be thwarted].
·Give orders to your armies [L&#8239;Speak a command/word],
but ·they will be useless [L&#8239;it will not stand],
because ·God is with us [L&#8239;Immanuel].

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#112 Jul 6, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
<quoted text>
Taken out of context this is meaningless. Read the beginning of that chapter and it becomes clear that Paul is praising God, not Jesus.
Jesus is God.

John 10:17-18 (NKJV)
17 Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.

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#113 Jul 6, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
If Jesus is God then he has the same knowledge as God.
Jesus "emptied Himself". Not from being God but from His powers.

Philippians 2:7 (NASB)
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

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#114 Jul 6, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
<quoted text>
John>>
The same thing was said in the time of Israel was God there then?
Isaiah 8:10
Expanded Bible (EXB)
10 ·Make your plans for the fight [Devise your strategy],
but ·they will be defeated [it will be thwarted].
·Give orders to your armies [L&#8239;Speak a command/word],
but ·they will be useless [L&#8239;it will not stand],
because ·God is with us [L&#8239;Immanuel].
Jesus in the OT:

"I the LORD"

Jeremiah 17:10 (NKJV)
10 I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings.

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#115 Jul 6, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus is God.
John 10:17-18 (NKJV)
17 Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
Out of context again! Are you naive, or duplicitous?

"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me — just as the Father knows me and I know the Father — and I lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd."

Two points here:

1) Jesus says he knows the Father and is bringing the "sheep" to the Father. Clearly, Jesus isn't God or he'd be bringing the sheep to himself as the ultimate end point.

2) As I stated in another post, Christians are told not to think but to blindly follow. Jesus calls you his "sheep." Sheep don;t think, they blindly follow. Lambs to the slaughter, get it? You're a tool.

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#116 Jul 6, 2013
[QUOTE who="doJeremiah 17:10llarsbill"]<quote d text>
Jesus in the OT:
"I the LORD"
Jeremiah 17:10 (NKJV)
10 I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings.
[/QUOTE]

Satan can state exactly the same thing. Your post is pointless and worthless, as usual.

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#117 Jul 6, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus in the OT:
"I the LORD"
Jeremiah 17:10 (NKJV)
10 I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings.
Let's play it your way - either Jesus is hidden in the OT or he is obvious.

If he was hidden there, then why was god being so mysterious? If his goal was really to bring everyone to him then he would have been clearer. And if he was only seeking the people who were already on the right path (and thus would get the hints) then he was wasting his time.

If Jesus was obvious in the OT, then God's chosen people are morons for not seeing him there.

So either God has poor judgment or he has poor judgment - your choice.

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#118 Jul 6, 2013
Anyone with a working brain, and anyone who isn't afraid to ask questions, will eventually realize that Christianity is a sham.
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#119 Jul 6, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus in the OT:
"I the LORD"
Jeremiah 17:10 (NKJV)
10 I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings.
John>>

Where you see the Word "LORD in all Caps that is where God`s personal name was in the original manuscripts and most Bible translations took God`s name out and replaced it with LORD in caps.
I will use a Bible that Keep God`s Name in it to show you the difference and show you that Jeremiah 17;10 was not talking about Jesus.

Jeremiah 17:10
Darby Translation (DARBY)
10 I Jehovah search the heart, I try the reins, even to give each one according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings.

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#120 Jul 6, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
<quoted text>
Out of context again! Are you naive, or duplicitous?
"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me — just as the Father knows me and I know the Father — and I lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd."
Two points here:
1) Jesus says he knows the Father and is bringing the "sheep" to the Father. Clearly, Jesus isn't God or he'd be bringing the sheep to himself as the ultimate end point.
2) As I stated in another post, Christians are told not to think but to blindly follow. Jesus calls you his "sheep." Sheep don;t think, they blindly follow. Lambs to the slaughter, get it? You're a tool.
John 20:28 (NKJV)
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

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#121 Jul 6, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
<quoted text>
Satan can state exactly the same thing. Your post is pointless and worthless, as usual.
Satan is a liar. Jesus is God.

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#122 Jul 6, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
If he was hidden there, then why was god being so mysterious?
“they could not believe”

John 12:39-40 (NKJV)
39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again: 40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with their eyes, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them."

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