White people killed Jesus!
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#259 Apr 19, 2013
noyb53492 wrote:
<quoted text>
Paragraph #3: "Should we be fool enough to believe a book that is wrought with contradictions (like the Bible,) when the Bible itself tells us that Allah (God) is not the author of confusion but of peace (1 Cor. 14:33)? Allah (God) did not write the Bible but the Bible is in a corrupted state. My favorite CONTRADICTION to point out is Matt. 1:6 & Luke 3:31.
"Matt. 1:6:'And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;'
"Luke 3:31:'Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,'"
There are several reasons why this would be, one that shows Mary's linage and another shows Joseph, so they both may be correct from a point of view, or it could be an error by a scribe who recorded it incorrectly.

It's do different with the Qur'an except that you have developed a system that an older passage is superseded by a newer one if they contradict. So the passages of peace and the passages that call for Holy War clearly conflict, but the superseding system takes care of that. It is why the terrorists win most of the debates with moderates since most of the Holy War passages are later recordings, and at the same time those moderates can claim it is a book of peace to the west.
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#260 Apr 19, 2013
noyb53492 wrote:
<quoted text>
Paragraph #4: "These two Scriptures say that Jesus descended from different sons of David. I ASK YOU NOW, did Jesus descend from Nathan or from Solomon?"
Paragraph #5 coming...
If one leads to Joseph and another leads to Mary it would actually make perfect sense.
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#261 Apr 19, 2013
noyb53492 wrote:
<quoted text>
Paragraph #6: "The Bible is a book that must be reinterpreted through NEW Revelation from Allah (God,) and that new Revelation is the Holy Qur'an."
Can you show me that in the Qur'an? Just curious where the Qur'an says that.

Secondly since some Muslims claim the Bible used to be right and then was changed by man, why doesn't the Qur'an look more like the Bible since it should be the Bible in it's unaltered form?

Since: Dec 12

Bloomington, MN

#263 Apr 21, 2013
Walkinginlove wrote:
<quoted text>
If one leads to Joseph and another leads to Mary it would actually make perfect sense.
Then why do both passages say that they refer to the lineage of Joseph (Matt. 1:6; Luke 3:23)? Somebody is lying or making mistakes in the translation. Don't try to justify it. You are better off just accepting the Truth.

If someone is lying or making mistakes in transalting, then how many other LIES or MISTAKES are in the Bible?

Bible believers need a NEW Book from Allah (God) to guard the Truth of the Bible, and the Holy Qur'an identifies itself as just that.

You don't have to be Muslim to believe in the Holy Qur'an (Holy Qur'an 2:62.) I myself am a Sabian who believes that the Bible's Truth is GUARDED and verified by the Holy Qur'an. If you want to read the Holy Qur'an for yourself, read the Maulana Muhammad Ali translation or the Yusuf Ali translation. Other translations can be poisonous.

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid (my name)
jonathan grobler

South Africa

#264 Apr 21, 2013
... this is pathetic you know.

This whole topic is pathetic (not the people within it).

But seriosly wye do all the muslims atheist satanist fools etc.. come to a christian forum? are they that bored of themselves?

Wye cant they just keep to there danm forums and us to our?

Seriosly just do us a favor and go away

by the few true christians here your just a newsence getting in the way.

ps when you get bored with that blasfemas book the koran or eny other like the bagavad gita , trititakam or eny other then come back and here the truth but if you are here just to piss people of then please by all means f*ck of.

and i hope that will be my last swear word for eternity.
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#265 Apr 22, 2013
noyb53492 wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why do both passages say that they refer to the lineage of Joseph (Matt. 1:6; Luke 3:23)? Somebody is lying or making mistakes in the translation. Don't try to justify it. You are better off just accepting the Truth.
If someone is lying or making mistakes in transalting, then how many other LIES or MISTAKES are in the Bible?
Bible believers need a NEW Book from Allah (God) to guard the Truth of the Bible, and the Holy Qur'an identifies itself as just that.
You don't have to be Muslim to believe in the Holy Qur'an (Holy Qur'an 2:62.) I myself am a Sabian who believes that the Bible's Truth is GUARDED and verified by the Holy Qur'an. If you want to read the Holy Qur'an for yourself, read the Maulana Muhammad Ali translation or the Yusuf Ali translation. Other translations can be poisonous.
Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid (my name)
Once again, if the Qu'ran is the fixed Bible then it should like much like it unless EVERY PASSAGE in the scriptures of the Bible were altered. That is not possible. There are errors, but they are minor.

Again your "Holy Book(s)" change from a position of peace to a position of Holy War against the world, was your god wrong the first part of wrong the second?

Your system had to create a method where the newer passages over rule the older because your god waffled back and forth so much your people couldn't keep it straight.

It is why yours is called the religion of PEACE, and why so many people die in the name of allah every year.

So apparently peace only comes when the planet is devoid of humans.
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#266 Apr 22, 2013
noyb53492 wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why do both passages say that they refer to the lineage of Joseph (Matt. 1:6; Luke 3:23)? Somebody is lying or making mistakes in the translation. Don't try to justify it. You are better off just accepting the Truth.
I'm not, only repeating what I have read, frankly I don't care if a scribe made a mistake or your view is mistaken since Jesus wasn't the son of Joseph but of God, after all the passages are lies are they not?

Yet you quote from them freely when it suits you, but then again your god has given you freedom to lie and does so himself does he not?
noyb53492 wrote:
<quoted text>
If someone is lying or making mistakes in transalting, then how many other LIES or MISTAKES are in the Bible?
So far Easter, the longer ending of Mark, Matthew 28's trinity baptism, possibly the letters to Timothy. Unfortunately I don't live inside the normal religious box as you are used to attack, thus your attacks are meaningless to me, Jesus is the son of God, he died and came back to life, it is why his Apostles were changed men and willing to die.

They were not promised sex with 72 virgins, nor told to murder, and frankly I find it strange that a man who would be so vehemently worried that someone things your god is sexually active when your god promises your men 72 virgins if they go out and kill innocent women and children as was done in Boston. So apparently you serve a sex god, who sells virgins for murder. Compared to a few possible errors in recordings of the Bible, what do you think it worse? Killing for sex, or transcription errors?
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#267 Apr 22, 2013
noyb53492 wrote:
<quoted text>
Paragraph #6: "The Bible is a book that must be reinterpreted through NEW Revelation from Allah (God,) and that new Revelation is the Holy Qur'an."
New and improved, the New Testament only peace was spoken of, yet the later you go into those books you believe in the more war like they are. Yet you claim that your god had to fix them.

Where do I get me sign that says will murder for sex? It is the core of your brothers beliefs as a martyr is it not?

How old should a women be before a man can marry her? Your prophet believed 12 was a good age, do you believe that a 12 year old girl who does not even understand what sex is should be married to a man much older?

Since: Dec 12

Bloomington, MN

#268 Apr 22, 2013
Walkinginlove wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, if the Qu'ran is the fixed Bible then it should like much like it unless EVERY PASSAGE in the scriptures of the Bible were altered. That is not possible. There are errors, but they are minor.
Again your "Holy Book(s)" change from a position of peace to a position of Holy War against the world, was your god wrong the first part of wrong the second?
Your system had to create a method where the newer passages over rule the older because your god waffled back and forth so much your people couldn't keep it straight.
It is why yours is called the religion of PEACE, and why so many people die in the name of allah every year.
So apparently peace only comes when the planet is devoid of humans.
No Sir, the Holy Qur'an teaches fighting only in self-defense. it says to never be the aggressor. And the Old Testament presents God as a Man of war (Exodus 15:3.) This is what Allah (God) commanded the Israelites in Deuteronomy 20:10-18:

(10)When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.(11)And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.(12)And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:(13)And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:(14)But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.(15)Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.(16)But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:(17)But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:(18)That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God."

Islam teaches peace. It means Peace, and fighting against those who agress against you is how Peace is made.

Since: Dec 12

Bloomington, MN

#269 Apr 22, 2013
Walkinginlove wrote:
<quoted text>
New and improved, the New Testament only peace was spoken of, yet the later you go into those books you believe in the more war like they are. Yet you claim that your god had to fix them.
Where do I get me sign that says will murder for sex? It is the core of your brothers beliefs as a martyr is it not?
How old should a women be before a man can marry her? Your prophet believed 12 was a good age, do you believe that a 12 year old girl who does not even understand what sex is should be married to a man much older?
Well first, Muhammad (pbuh) is not "my prophet." My Prophet is Noah (pbuh;) I am a Sabian. I do however believe in Muhammad (pbuh) and the Revelation that Allah (God) gave to him. I would suggest that you read the Holy Qur'an for yourself instead of believing in the reports of the enemies of Islam; in their hostility to Islam, they lie very much.

There are conflicting reports in the community of Islam about the age of Aisha when Muhammad consummated his marriage with her, but my own believe about the appropriate age to marry and consummate a marriage is that those things can take place at what ever age a person is mature enough to know what marriage is and at whatever age natural desires begin to occur (BUT FORNICATION IS NOT ALLOWED BY ALLAH (GOD).) It is true that none of the Abrahamic religions give a commanded age where marriage & the consummation of marriage can take place. If Allah (God) knows all then why did He not give an age when marriage and the consummation of marriage can take place?

Peace.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#270 Apr 22, 2013
The Quran is from a foreign god most likely. The differences are too much to ignore IMO
Phoenix

Houston, TX

#271 Apr 22, 2013
noyb53492 wrote:
<quoted text>Well first, Muhammad (pbuh) is not "my prophet." My Prophet is Noah (pbuh;) I am a Sabian. I do however believe in Muhammad (pbuh) and the Revelation that Allah (God) gave to him. I would suggest that you read the Holy Qur'an for yourself instead of believing in the reports of the enemies of Islam; in their hostility to Islam, they lie very much.

There are conflicting reports in the community of Islam about the age of Aisha when Muhammad consummated his marriage with her, but my own believe about the appropriate age to marry and consummate a marriage is that those things can take place at what ever age a person is mature enough to know what marriage is and at whatever age natural desires begin to occur (BUT FORNICATION IS NOT ALLOWED BY ALLAH (GOD).) It is true that none of the Abrahamic religions give a commanded age where marriage & the consummation of marriage can take place. If Allah (God) knows all then why did He not give an age when marriage and the consummation of marriage can take place?

Peace.
Are you a member of the NOI?
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#272 Apr 23, 2013
noyb53492 wrote:
<quoted text>
No Sir, the Holy Qur'an teaches fighting only in self-defense.
Sorry but based on the massive numbers of murdered civilians and children done by Islamic believers in the name of allah that is a lie. Or you are incredibly ignorant of Islams current actions and past history of war!
noyb53492 wrote:
<quoted text>
it says to never be the aggressor. And the Old Testament presents God as a Man of war (Exodus 15:3.) This is what Allah (God) commanded the Israelites in Deuteronomy 20:10-18:
(10)When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.(11)And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.(12)And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:(13)And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:(14)But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.(15)Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.(16)But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:(17)But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:(18)That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God."
Islam teaches peace. It means Peace, and fighting against those who agress against you is how Peace is made.
Old Testament, I did not speak of the Old Covenant and history, I spoke of the New Covenant where God bought our sins and speaks of peace, turning the cheek, giving a coat when asked for a shirt, walking two miles if asked to walk one.

So since you have not answered me in my question of NEW TESTAMENT teachings vs. your books, I will assume you don't have a good answer.

God made peace with man by the death of his son, it bought all sins for all times for those who believe in Jesus as the perfect sacrifice for our sins. The conditions of that peace are clear, Love God, Love People, Tell the Good News that our sins can be forgiven and we can live with God forever.

Yet you claim that your book fixes the New Testament's call for peace by claiming your books are defensive in nature.

Should we tell the many parents of the children of Russia who's lives were taken by Islamic believers, or the 8 year old in Boston who was blown up, and the Islamic believer who did it, saw there were children at the location and placed the bomb, TO KILL CHILDREN!

He did it, he was following this peaceful book you claim is defensive in nature, but the facts prove you wrong, they killed and wanted to kill children, women, and others who had done nothing against anyone except try and live their lives and raise their families.

DEFENSIVE???? They were killed because your religion is a religion of lies, deception and death.

Everywhere Islam walks, people die in the name of allah, it has been that way from the beginning of your false man made religion and it will continue until the day that God steps in to stop you.

Before that happens most of the earth will be destroyed because of your religion of peace.
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#273 Apr 23, 2013
noyb53492 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well first, Muhammad (pbuh) is not "my prophet." My Prophet is Noah (pbuh;) I am a Sabian. I do however believe in Muhammad (pbuh) and the Revelation that Allah (God) gave to him.
First Muhammad is not your prophet, then he is??? Islam so easily lies to the world about their true nature and the world because it longs for peace blinds themselves to the hell that has been unleashed on the world since this peace loving prophet started this reign of terror against the world.

HOW MANY do Islam have to slaughter before the world wakes up???????

How many times will the lies of Islam be spoken after the murder of so many innocent people, we are peaceful we do not believe in terror, yet when 9/11 happened people all over the Islamic world celebrated at the murder of so many, there were no protests against the acts of terror, our media in fact realized they were fomenting a reaction from the people in America and stopped showing the dancing in the street over the murder of so many.

Aided by our press the evil that is Islam has been hidden, yet it reveals itself for what it truly is almost daily in it's acts of murder against innocent people.

Islam is a religion of death and destruction, it has always been so and it always will be.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#274 Apr 23, 2013
You do know that Moses was warful just as you say Mohammed and muslims are? Whats the difference? Also, you do know that the God of Israel is a warring God (and the only God) that does not change right?(Warring God- Exodus 15:3/ Never changes Malachi 3:6).

With all this said, how do you equate in your head that this God that NEVER changes according to His words (if we believe the author of Malachi) changed in the NT? Makes no sense.

What Im getting at is YOUR religion piggybacked off a VIOLENT group of Hebrews that slaughtered ENTIRE cities of people filled with women and children. If this bothers you when Muslims do it (though them doing this is not supported by the Quran) why do you accept when the Hebrews did it? Why the double standard
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#275 Apr 25, 2013
noyb53492 wrote:
<quoted text>
No Sir, the Holy Qur'an teaches fighting only in self-defense.
So when should we look to the Islamic faction to return to the birth place of Muhammad giving up all the lands they have taken offensively by the sword?
And I assume this means they will no longer be calling for the destruction of Israel since it is not in the birth place of Muhammad.

And since so many Muslims have fought an offensive Jihad against the rest of the world, could it be that you are wrong about what the qur'an says about fighting? Or perhaps you are simply being taught a vanilla version of the book in order to act as the moderate shield that seems to be part of the conquering tactics of the Islamic religion. While you appear moderate, the more radical go about their murdering ways, thus the objects of the violent attacks will think, oh they are not all evil people only a small part of them, until the population is strong enough to separate itself from the rest of the nation under attack.

Wash and repeat until the entire country falls under the sword.

So when will they be giving back Pakistan and all the other territories taken by force of arms?
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#276 Apr 25, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
You do know that Moses was warful just as you say Mohammed and muslims are?
Last time I checked Moses was dead, Islam's murdering ways are alive and well.
Flygerian wrote:
Whats the difference?
The New Testament's mission of peace and love is declared by Islam as an imperfect message and that God needed to write yet another book to correct his mistakes. Yet you run to the Old Testament to compare yourselves thus refuting your own arguments that your book is the corrected version of God's vision. I understand why Islam has to use the sword to win people, as they defeat themselves with their own arguments!!
Flygerian wrote:
Also, you do know that the God of Israel is a warring God (and the only God) that does not change right?(Warring God- Exodus 15:3/ Never changes Malachi 3:6).
With all this said, how do you equate in your head that this God that NEVER changes according to His words (if we believe the author of Malachi) changed in the NT? Makes no sense.
What Im getting at is YOUR religion piggybacked off a VIOLENT group of Hebrews that slaughtered ENTIRE cities of people filled with women and children. If this bothers you when Muslims do it (though them doing this is not supported by the Quran) why do you accept when the Hebrews did it? Why the double standard
Islam will start World War III, you can read about it in the book of Revelations, you will appear to have great power until the living God returns to sweep away the chaff of all false religions who deny his son!

What I really don't understand is the reference to God not being a fornicator, tell me when Adam and Eve were brought into this world, whom did God have sex with?

Why would you think that Mary mother of Jesus would need physical contact with the Holy Spirit of God in order to be pregnant?

Blind Guides open your eyes to your sinful ways and repent to the one true God who bought your sins on a cross though the death of his son Jesus Christ.
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#277 Apr 25, 2013
When God saw that it was finished and that sin was paid for, his anger was removed. This anger will only return on the day that the world is judged and those who do not accept the gift that God has given. That gift was a one time payment through the death of a perfect lamb, that lamb is Jesus Christ who was born of a woman and of the Spirit of God.

This gift paid for all sins for all time, that whoever believes in him will be saved in the day of judgement and those who deny him will be cast into the lake of fire where they will be consumed, it is called by God the second death.

It was his plan from the beginning.
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#279 May 3, 2013
Jesus in his own words said the following:

John 10:17 For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. 18 No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.”

Once again I will ask, if Jesus said that he was laying down his life and that NO ONE has taken it.

Whom are you to claim he is lying and whom are you to think that a man or all men could kill God?

Those who post that white people killed Jesus are liars according to God, and most importantly those who post threads like this do not believe that Jesus is the son of God and God in the form of man.

So you must ask yourself why would they post this, except to sow hate and there is only one religion on earth that calls Jesus a liar yet claims him as a prophet of God while claiming to be the religion of peace while making war against the world!

Wake up and see the truth people!
Davy

Ashburn, VA

#284 May 12, 2013
There is no way out pink people to hide the obvious fact that killing jesus proves to the world and havens that pink people are liars , cruel and murderers, the same they did to Mandela no difffent to jesus. If there is no apatheid in the bible, Mandela parables must also scribled in it. A brownman must only praise the creator, not God who is full of apatheid. Everything pinkmen do, have got satan commandmets, viz, cruelity, murder, oppresion, greed, deceit and thusly why they are very rich becouse they favour satan commands.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Christian Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
happiness does not exist 39 min janeebee 12
Let's have a discussion, HG. (Oct '12) 1 hr janeebee 176
Why do you really believe in a god? 1 hr Jesus Is 623
Mr. and Mr. Obama? 2 hr Liberace 1
There is no god 2 hr Jesus Is 10
GOD'S RESTORATION for BACKSLIDEN CHRISTIANS 3 hr Jesus Is 31
Spirit bodies. 4 hr janeebee 23
Scientific Proof Of GOD(for dummies) 5 hr janeebee 1,341
Evidence Against God 6 hr little lamb 3,826
News Religion, higher education and critical thinking (Aug '15) 6 hr janeebee 8,242
More from around the web