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Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#81 May 3, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Maybe I excercised a bit of poetic license with the names.
You totally misrepresented the Merneptah Stele and I don't believe an Ramses II plate exists at all. I've been battling the fundies for years and I don't think anything as significant as the alledged 'Ramses II Plate' would have escaped my notice. Please provide a link or expect to be numbered among Augustine's makers up of shít.
God bless you.

By the way, Moses didn't write the Pantateuch.
Thank you, you are an honorable man.

The Egyptian artifacts are pictured in The Saint Joseph Edition of The Catholic Bible on a couple of plates in Exodus. I can't find them in the online edition.
However, there is some written information regarding the events in this link below under subheading "Dynastic History" beginning around the Hyksos period.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05329b.htm

That explanation I posted on the Merneptah Stele is taken right from the caption under the picture.

Saying 'Moses didn't write the Pentateuch' is a bit unfair.
While I am familiar with the JPED theory of the Pentateuch, it would be incorrect to state Moses didn't write ANY of the Pentateuch.
That said, Moses was known as the writer of laws and wrote profusely his interpretations of God's divine commands. While his authorship style may not have been fit for readers digest, years of refining and literary editing have accurately retained Moses' writings for us in the form we read them today.

I mean, think about it. What other collection of writings do we have extant today that even come close to the antiquity of The Bible?
Nada.

May The Lord bless you as well.
15th Dalai Lama

Albuquerque, NM

#82 May 3, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Thank you, you are an honorable man.
The Egyptian artifacts are pictured in The Saint Joseph Edition of The Catholic Bible on a couple of plates in Exodus. I can't find them in the online edition.
However, there is some written information regarding the events in this link below under subheading "Dynastic History" beginning around the Hyksos period.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05329b.htm
That explanation I posted on the Merneptah Stele is taken right from the caption under the picture.
Saying 'Moses didn't write the Pentateuch' is a bit unfair.
While I am familiar with the JPED theory of the Pentateuch, it would be incorrect to state Moses didn't write ANY of the Pentateuch.
That said, Moses was known as the writer of laws and wrote profusely his interpretations of God's divine commands. While his authorship style may not have been fit for readers digest, years of refining and literary editing have accurately retained Moses' writings for us in the form we read them today.
I mean, think about it. What other collection of writings do we have extant today that even come close to the antiquity of The Bible?
Nada.
May The Lord bless you as well.
In the Old Testament 'God', ie Elohim, shows up 3099n times.
In the Old Testament 'Lord, ie Yahweh, shows up 8744 times.
In the Old Testament 'Lord God', the combination shows up only 588 times.

As if that weren't evidence enough of multiple authors, it is for me, in Genesis 1 Elohim does all that creation stuff and Yahweh shows up at Genesis 2:4 with a different creation narrative and starts pushing people around.

You should, of course, know these are known as the Elohist a Jahvist sources. Then you have the Priestly and Deuteronomist sources.

You should, of course, know the Merneptah Stele has absolutely nothing to say about Moses and of course I will not accept 'I saw it in a book somewhere' as evidence of whatever the heck you said was on some alledged Rames thingy.

Your best bet is to just go to Mass, say your prayers and love your neighbor as Jesus loved you.

..... and with your spirit.

(The censorbot is quite squeamish and won't allow the Latin.)
15th Dalai Lama

Albuquerque, NM

#83 May 3, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Thanks for the link.
That's some real scientificated type stuff.
The genuine article.
There's some good info on there;
pg.4&5-
"Thus, if we were to ask the question “Do we have an adequate knowledge of the number of fossil animal species preserved in the earth’s crust?”
The answer would have to be no because the rarefaction curve is still steeply climbing.
As an aside, this answer would also be no for the question of the number of modern species on the planet because there are so many tropical insects that have not been described.
In other words, our knowledge of the number and kinds of living species is very imperfect as well."
And still no museum exhibits of fossils 'millions of years old'.
Even the supposed 'oldest fossils discovered', The Warrawoona Group in Western Australia containing putative fossils of cyanobacteria cells are disputed and of questionable veracity as abiotic processes could not be ruled out.
But science continues to search out the activity of God....as it should.
May The Lord light your path from above.
I found a mess of Pennsylvaian Epoch Brachiopods and when I give them to littl kids I tell them 'Don't lose this, it's two hundred fifty million years old'. I could tell them it's 300 million years old but I'm one of those Young Earthers.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#84 May 3, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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In the Old Testament 'God', ie Elohim, shows up 3099n times.
In the Old Testament 'Lord, ie Yahweh, shows up 8744 times.
In the Old Testament 'Lord God', the combination shows up only 588 times.
As if that weren't evidence enough of multiple authors, it is for me, in Genesis 1 Elohim does all that creation stuff and Yahweh shows up at Genesis 2:4 with a different creation narrative and starts pushing people around.
You should, of course, know these are known as the Elohist a Jahvist sources. Then you have the Priestly and Deuteronomist sources.
You should, of course, know the Merneptah Stele has absolutely nothing to say about Moses and of course I will not accept 'I saw it in a book somewhere' as evidence of whatever the heck you said was on some alledged Rames thingy.
Your best bet is to just go to Mass, say your prayers and love your neighbor as Jesus loved you.
..... and with your spirit.
(The censorbot is quite squeamish and won't allow the Latin.)
Like I wrote, I am familiar with the JPED authorship theory of the Pentateuch.

Ever wonder about those 'Elohist's'?
Since that name is a multiple reference, did they have a premonition of the persons of God?(ie;Trinity)

See you at Mass, I'll save a seat for you.

Dominus vobiscum
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#85 May 3, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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I found a mess of Pennsylvaian Epoch Brachiopods and when I give them to littl kids I tell them 'Don't lose this, it's two hundred fifty million years old'. I could tell them it's 300 million years old but I'm one of those Young Earthers.
Once I found an old coin under a rock.

The coin had a date on it, but being suspicious I had the rock it was under carbon dated to be sure of the age of the coin.

Despite the lying date on the coin, the carbon dating of the rock that was over it proves the coin is millions of years old.
15th Dalai Lama

Albuquerque, NM

#86 May 3, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Once I found an old coin under a rock.
The coin had a date on it, but being suspicious I had the rock it was under carbon dated to be sure of the age of the coin.
Despite the lying date on the coin, the carbon dating of the rock that was over it proves the coin is millions of years old.
If you knew what you were talking about you would know rocks are not carbon dated but you don't.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#87 May 3, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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If you knew what you were talking about you would know rocks are not carbon dated but you don't.
While rocks in general lack free atmospheric gasses to make good samples, organic fragments enclosed in rocks do make good samples.

How do you think paleontologists date random bone fragments to validate their projected models?

Gotta keep those grants coming in somehow.
little lamb

Melbourne, Australia

#88 May 3, 2013
We don't know how old the universe is...but we do know how old is mankind

you can then work out the genealogy from Adam until the flood..

its the only record giving ages and even the ages when they gave birth to their first born...its been the sacred writings that have not shied off from telling the truth..no other book of religious beliefs are so precise ...

then after the flood..the whole nation of Israel is recounted with genealogies traced back to Abraham...

Abraham you can date from his father and his father back to shem..

Then since Christ..our time is counted by him we are now 2013 AD.
15th Dalai Lama

Albuquerque, NM

#89 May 4, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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While rocks in general lack free atmospheric gasses to make good samples, organic fragments enclosed in rocks do make good samples.
How do you think paleontologists date random bone fragments to validate their projected models?
Gotta keep those grants coming in somehow.
As far as I know, paleontologists draw from every discipline of the natural sciences to date 'random bone fragments'.

You know, we may have something of a language barrier here.
How old do you think the Universe really is? I can think of only three possibilities. Either God created the Universe fifteen billion years ago or Satan designed it at some unknown date to screw us all up or nobody knows. I don't expect to be accountable at judgement for Satan's shenaningans, nor Moses' shenanigans.

God bless you.
15th Dalai Lama

Albuquerque, NM

#90 May 4, 2013
little lamb wrote:
We don't know how old the universe is...but we do know how old is mankind
you can then work out the genealogy from Adam until the flood..
its the only record giving ages and even the ages when they gave birth to their first born...its been the sacred writings that have not shied off from telling the truth..no other book of religious beliefs are so precise ...
then after the flood..the whole nation of Israel is recounted with genealogies traced back to Abraham...
Abraham you can date from his father and his father back to shem..
Then since Christ..our time is counted by him we are now 2013 AD.
One Biblical account states that Jesus was born in the reign of Herod the Great who died in 4 BC.

Another Biblical account states that Jesus was born during the Census of Quirinius which occurred in 6 AD.

It is a common error to think Jesus was born between 1 BC and 1 AD; there is no year zero, of course.
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#91 May 4, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
How can people believe that the universe is 6000 years old while we can observe light from stars that are million's light years away from us?
How do you explain the uniform temperature across the Universe?
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#92 May 4, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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As far as I know, paleontologists draw from every discipline of the natural sciences to date 'random bone fragments'.
You know, we may have something of a language barrier here.
How old do you think the Universe really is? I can think of only three possibilities. Either God created the Universe fifteen billion years ago or Satan designed it at some unknown date to screw us all up or nobody knows. I don't expect to be accountable at judgement for Satan's shenaningans, nor Moses' shenanigans.
God bless you.
I have absolutely no idea how old the Universe is.
Nobody does for sure, despite some educated guess hypotheses of science.

The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old, maybe the Universe is too given the Big Bang theory.
Either/or...it really doesn't change anything for mankind.

We are each responsible for working out our individual salvation through the redemption of Jesus Christ.
There is no collective salvation nor apparently any collective condemnation.

May you dwell in peace and freedom from anxiety.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#93 May 4, 2013
Job wrote:
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How do you explain the uniform temperature across the Universe?
Where did you get the idea that there is a uniform temperature across the Universe?

Don't you think that simple reason would indicate higher temperatures on planets and regions closer to the Sun?
15th Dalai Lama

Albuquerque, NM

#94 May 4, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Where did you get the idea that there is a uniform temperature across the Universe?
Don't you think that simple reason would indicate higher temperatures on planets and regions closer to the Sun?
He's talking about Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation. Curiously, he does not know what that means so trying to explain it to him would be futile. Besides, if he had the background, no pun intended, to understand the answer he could look it up himself.

God bless you.

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