'I wish for a Church that is poor and...

'I wish for a Church that is poor and for the poor', says Pope Francis

There are 46 comments on the ekklesia.co.uk story from Mar 16, 2013, titled 'I wish for a Church that is poor and for the poor', says Pope Francis. In it, ekklesia.co.uk reports that:

The new spiritual head of 1.2 billion Roman Catholics has told them and the world's media, "I wish for a Church that is poor and for the poor." The comment, in front of an audience of 6,000 correspondents in Rome, came as part of an explanation from the pontiff as to why he had chosen the name Francis.

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“so tell me......”

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#22 Mar 21, 2013
nc resident wrote:
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Then you are painfully unaware of how arrogant your posts about the Catholic faith are. You jump on the anti Catholic bandwagon every time it rears its ugly head. What is silly and meaningless to you is precious to Catholics. Cooly cordial is how I would describe your interactions with me, after all I am a Catholic and you are???
If what you say was true then I would be all over the threads about the RC faith when in fact I tend to avoid them most of the time as I know the trend they take.
Coolly cordial huh and arrogant huh? Well I guess I know where I stand with you now then. Sad really but c'est la vie.

And if you're really interested I'm a non denominational Christian. I attend a small gathering in a rented scout hut.
I was brought up attending a Pentecostal Church but also have links to the Baptists and the local Anglican Church.
Many of my friend are part of the RC faith but we don't allow our differences of belief get in the way of our friendships.

God bless you. I shall avoid commenting further to you now I know your feelings.
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#23 Mar 21, 2013
angelinaUK wrote:
<quoted text>If what you say was true then I would be all over the threads about the RC faith when in fact I tend to avoid them most of the time as I know the trend they take.
Coolly cordial huh and arrogant huh? Well I guess I know where I stand with you now then. Sad really but c'est la vie.
And if you're really interested I'm a non denominational Christian. I attend a small gathering in a rented scout hut.
I was brought up attending a Pentecostal Church but also have links to the Baptists and the local Anglican Church.
Many of my friend are part of the RC faith but we don't allow our differences of belief get in the way of our friendships.
God bless you. I shall avoid commenting further to you now I know your feelings.
So do you Catholic friends their beliefs are silly and pointless? Non denominational? undefined. I won't stop commenting on your anti Catholic posts regardless of if it posted directly to me or someone Else.
Cisco Kid

Sonora, CA

#24 Mar 21, 2013
angelinaUK wrote:
<quoted text>If what you say was true then I would be all over the threads about the RC faith when in fact I tend to avoid them most of the time as I know the trend they take.
Coolly cordial huh and arrogant huh? Well I guess I know where I stand with you now then. Sad really but c'est la vie.
And if you're really interested I'm a non denominational Christian. I attend a small gathering in a rented scout hut.
I was brought up attending a Pentecostal Church but also have links to the Baptists and the local Anglican Church.
Many of my friend are part of the RC faith but we don't allow our differences of belief get in the way of our friendships.
God bless you. I shall avoid commenting further to you now I know your feelings.
Excuse me interupting this 'ecumenical dialogue', but you used a term unfamiliar to me.
What is a 'scout hut'?
Curious minds need to know.
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#25 Mar 21, 2013
angelinaUK wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for the info.
Seems pretty pointless to me as a new name isn't going to change the person as far as I can see but there you go.
Not necessarily change them, but maybe cause them to model themselves after the chosen persons name. Like the RC sacrament of Confirmation, where the person chooses a second middle name...usually a Saint they wish to model themselves after. Its more a reminder type thing, than a desire to seek some sort of about-face in ones character.

Dont we do this when we name a child after a grandparent, etc...? Sort of seek/hope to have the kid be kinda like that person..?
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#26 Mar 21, 2013
nc resident wrote:
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So do you Catholic friends their beliefs are silly and pointless? Non denominational? undefined. I won't stop commenting on your anti Catholic posts regardless of if it posted directly to me or someone Else.
Seems that many Protys love this non-denominational label...which IMO is their way of avoiding some connection to whatever embarrassments a particular denomination might bring should they identify as such. Like many people who claim to "not eat much meat" when in the company of vegetarians/vegans, etc and wish to look better in their eyes. Meanwhile they eat plenty of meat on a regular basis...

Non-denominational to me always means a lack of conviction, or even fear, to land on one side of the fence and stick by it...
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#27 Mar 21, 2013
Happy Easter Sock wrote:
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I agree, but that's why I could NEVER be Catholic. Everything with the RCC is ritualistic, so it follows their other practices. Seems if the German RCC is going to throw out members that don't tithe {tax} to their demands, then "Francis" will have his work cut out for him since the RCC is one of the richest "businesses" in the world. He may be quite sincere but even the Pope has to work with the rest of the hierarchy and world churches. One can only make so many waves lest they capsize and drown.
>^o^<
You don't want to be what you basically don't understand.

What about Protestantism is not ritualistic as well? Do you go to services? Do you pray at the same times, recite the same ones...?

There is nothing inherently wrong with rituals - in fact we all perform them all day in our regular lives. Religious rituals are but a means to focus ones attention and not allow for the normal tendency of peoples minds to wander.

The problem with many Protys is they never/rarely look deeper, look past the appearances and see the deeper meanings of the things they wish to vilify about the RC's. So much history, and energy has been spent on vilifying them, few of you are of the sound mind to look past the propaganda...

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#28 Mar 21, 2013
angelinaUK wrote:
Time will tell what kind of guy this one is I suppose.

Why does the Pope have to choose a new name?
Just in case a Scouser gets elected.Pope Terry doesn't really have a ring to it.
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#29 Mar 21, 2013
angelinaUK wrote:
<quoted text>No I'm not a Catholic, but I do still like to try and figure the reasons things are done.
If he wants to be called Francis and others like to choose a "Saint" as a role model then fair enough although my views on who Saints are is obviously going to be vastly different to the Catholic viewpoint.
Certainly you, and I can disagree on the Canonization process - but the name-choosing-thing is not about that - its all about that person's character and actions as a Xtian - not some official process. There are many famous Xtians, whose name might not be that of a Saint, that Xtian parents use to name their children, etc...

I really think you're missing the point...willfully?

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#30 Mar 21, 2013
nc resident wrote:
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So do you Catholic friends their beliefs are silly and pointless? Non denominational? undefined. I won't stop commenting on your anti Catholic posts regardless of if it posted directly to me or someone Else.
Suit yourself.

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#31 Mar 21, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Excuse me interupting this 'ecumenical dialogue', but you used a term unfamiliar to me.
What is a 'scout hut'?
Curious minds need to know.
The local boy Scout group has a small hall or hut which we share.

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#32 Mar 21, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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Certainly you, and I can disagree on the Canonization process - but the name-choosing-thing is not about that - its all about that person's character and actions as a Xtian - not some official process. There are many famous Xtians, whose name might not be that of a Saint, that Xtian parents use to name their children, etc...
I really think you're missing the point...willfully?
Not willfully actually. It was a matter that puzzled me that's all.

I have just recalled a time a few years back when a Romanian friend of ours gave us a gift on her Saints day which did puzzle me. Nice gesture though.

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#33 Mar 21, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>
Seems that many Protys love this non-denominational label...which IMO is their way of avoiding some connection to whatever embarrassments a particular denomination might bring should they identify as such. Like many people who claim to "not eat much meat" when in the company of vegetarians/vegans, etc and wish to look better in their eyes. Meanwhile they eat plenty of meat on a regular basis...
Non-denominational to me always means a lack of conviction, or even fear, to land on one side of the fence and stick by it...
I don't agree. I think the early Christian Church was non denom and I don't think there will be denominations in Heaven either.

“so tell me......”

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#34 Mar 21, 2013
I have just returned from our Churches mid week home group meeting and was interested to hear seeeral of the people there saying what a nice man the new pope seems to be.

Also interesting that the new popes ordination almost exactly coincided with the ordination of the new Arch Bishop of Canterbury. Strange coincidence that the RC and the Anglican church have installed new leaders at almost the same time.

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#35 Mar 21, 2013
Typo. several.
Cisco Kid

Sonora, CA

#36 Mar 21, 2013
angelinaUK wrote:
<quoted text>The local boy Scout group has a small hall or hut which we share.
I see, like a small meeting hall owned by The Scouts.
Our Boy Scouts of America must be less prosperous. They don't own any meeting halls I am aware of, they typically use a member's home, or for larger gatherings a public school building or other meeting hall.

Thanks for enlightening me.
ITB

Philadelphia, PA

#37 Mar 21, 2013
angelinaUK wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for the info.
Seems pretty pointless to me as a new name isn't going to change the person as far as I can see but there you go.
First off, the name isn't changed to "change" anyone. And, there is a point to it. Just because you don't get it, doesn't mean it's not significant.

There were name changes in the Bible...why were they done? Why did Jesus change Simon's name to Peter? Did the name change "change" Simon the person? There was a point to the changing of names in the Bible.

He is no longer Argentinian Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, he is now Pope Francis with a new role to fulfill. He chose the name Francis after Saint Francis of Assisi, who is known for his humility and simple lifestyle. He lived in poverty and preached the Gospel. He wanted to "rebuild" the church and help the poor.

Pope Francis said, as the votes were being counted and it was getting "dangerous" (he didn't really want to be elected) his friend leaned over and said "Don't forget the poor". And he thought "the poor" and then he thought of Saint Francis of Assisi. Then as they continued counting the votes, he said he thought of war, and again that thought brought him to Saint Francis, a man of peace and a lover of nature and creation.

I'm waiting to see what this new Pope will bring to the CC.
ITB

Philadelphia, PA

#38 Mar 21, 2013
angelinaUK wrote:
I have just returned from our Churches mid week home group meeting and was interested to hear seeeral of the people there saying what a nice man the new pope seems to be.
Also interesting that the new popes ordination almost exactly coincided with the ordination of the new Arch Bishop of Canterbury. Strange coincidence that the RC and the Anglican church have installed new leaders at almost the same time.
Let's see..the last Archbishop resigned a year ago. A new one was picked in Nov. and he was just enthroned now. The last pope resigned and left the post on Feb. 28. It's less than a month later and a new pope has been elected and inaugurated. From that you get "strange coincidence"?

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#39 Mar 22, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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I see, like a small meeting hall owned by The Scouts.
Our Boy Scouts of America must be less prosperous. They don't own any meeting halls I am aware of, they typically use a member's home, or for larger gatherings a public school building or other meeting hall.
Thanks for enlightening me.
You're welcome.
I don't know that they are prosperous here as the hall is very basic and they have to do fund raising to keep it going. Our Church group paying rent each month helps them and we do a lot of the upkeep as well. Bit of a shared effort really.

“The Final Sacrifice”

Since: Feb 13

Be Blessed

#40 Mar 22, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text> You don't want to be what you basically don't understand.
What about Protestantism is not ritualistic as well? Do you go to services? Do you pray at the same times, recite the same ones...?
There is nothing inherently wrong with rituals - in fact we all perform them all day in our regular lives. Religious rituals are but a means to focus ones attention and not allow for the normal tendency of peoples minds to wander.
The problem with many Protys is they never/rarely look deeper, look past the appearances and see the deeper meanings of the things they wish to vilify about the RC's. So much history, and energy has been spent on vilifying them, few of you are of the sound mind to look past the propaganda...
I know more of Catholicism than most Catholics. I had a direct connection for a decade with a Monsignor chosen by Pope John Paul. I have propaganda elite to the hierarchy. I have nearly every book and directions to mimic known to any Catholic and have studied them more than any other religion, which I do not consider Christian in any manner as they continually re-crucify Christ and use Him as their poster-boy for the almighty $$$$$. I could make most Catholics blush with shame about their illiteracy of their pagan and monetary beliefs. Atheists do Christ much less injustice. Quit judging those you know nothing of. I do.

“The Final Sacrifice”

Since: Feb 13

Be Blessed

#41 Mar 22, 2013
angelinaUK wrote:
<quoted text>The local boy Scout group has a small hall or hut which we share.
Most here would think of a "hut" as something made out of bamboo and grasses as in the tropics. Just sayin'.....

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