Who is Jesus?

[Hope]

Apostolic Man wrote:

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I will only give you scripture with an explaination and not revelation or opinion.

Did you noticed my response?

[Apostolic Man]

Hope wrote:

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Did you noticed my response?

I was going to respond today. I will later when i have more time.

[Hope]

Apostolic Man wrote:

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I was going to respond today. I will later when i have more time.

Okay, thank-you

[Apostolic Man]

Hope wrote:

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If this was the only verse referencing Jesus and his relationship in the Godhead it would be troubling to the Triune believer.
However, the believers in a Trinity uses several verses to base their faith on-
John 10:38
"but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father."
If Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in Jesus. Than Jesus also must be the One true God
"There was the true light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him," (John 1:9-10).
Jesus was in the world. But also note the world was made through Him. The Godhead including Father and Son where the creators of the world.
Are a couple I will reference for now

I have much more scripture but started off with this. My position is that God was God from the beginning without titles such as Father, Son or. God became a literal Father when Jesus was born, this was when the relationship started. God who was given the title Father is the only true God. This same God came in the flesh (1 Tim 3: 16) and this is why Jesus says "The Father is in me" or "When you see me, you see my Father also" (John 12: 45, John 8: 19-27, John 14: 7-9). God was IN Christ (2 Cor 5: 19) Paul also mentioned that God the Father was the only God (1 Cor 8: 6, Eph 4: 6). Whenever we see the Word "God" in the new testament it is always refering to God out Father. What i try to get people to understand is that if Jesus is God, then he is God the Father in flesh and not a seperate person. Do you notice the distintion in John 17: 3? He called God the Father the only true God, then he added "And" Jesus Christ indicating the distinction between Spirit and Flesh. Eph 1: 17 tells us that Jesus has a God but you will not agree that one co-equal person of the Trinity has a God, you can see the distinction here easily, which is Spirit and Flesh and not co-equal persons. We have to make since out of all scripture and not just some.

I will make a thread about the distinction, soon, i hope you stop by. God bless

[Nephilim]

Apostolic Man wrote:

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Ummm ok, what does this prove? Do you want to see how they all add up to Jesus and why the Apostles only used Jesus name? Tell me if you want to know.

I already know what it says. It is directly from Jesus, telling us to evangelize in the name of ALL three, Father, Son AND Holy Spirit.

[Apostolic Man]

Nephilim wrote:

<quoted text>I already know what it says. It is directly from Jesus, telling us to evangelize in the name of ALL three, Father, Son AND Holy Spirit.

If you understood it, you wouldn't have said what you just said. Since "in the name of" means "By the authority of" then how many authroities are there? 1, 2 or 3?

[Hope]

I am sorry maybe tomorrow I will get back to you. I am very sad today as my 25 yo neighbor has died. I will so miss seeing her and her little boy.

[No Fear 1]

Hope wrote:

I am sorry maybe tomorrow I will get back to you. I am very sad today as my 25 yo neighbor has died. I will so miss seeing her and her little boy.

What happen? You are all in my prayers tonight!

[Hope]

No Fear 1 wrote:

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What happen? You are all in my prayers tonight!

Thank-you. She was in all appearances a healthy, energetic young woman, but she suffered from sleep apnea. She unfortunately forgot to turn on the monitor.

[Nephilim]

Hope wrote:

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Thank-you. She was in all appearances a healthy, energetic young woman, but she suffered from sleep apnea. She unfortunately forgot to turn on the monitor.

I am sorry!

[toady]

Nephilim wrote:

<quoted text>I already know what it says. It is directly from Jesus, telling us to evangelize in the name of ALL three, Father, Son AND Holy Spirit.

YAY!!!

A TRUE JeSuS Lover!

Lets by firends????

[Hope]

Apostolic Man wrote:

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I have much more scripture but started off with this. My position is that God was God from the beginning without titles such as Father, Son or. God became a literal Father when Jesus was born, this was when the relationship started. God who was given the title Father is the only true God. This same God came in the flesh (1 Tim 3: 16) and this is why Jesus says "The Father is in me" or "When you see me, you see my Father also" (John 12: 45, John 8: 19-27, John 14: 7-9). God was IN Christ (2 Cor 5: 19) Paul also mentioned that God the Father was the only God (1 Cor 8: 6, Eph 4: 6). Whenever we see the Word "God" in the new testament it is always refering to God out Father. What i try to get people to understand is that if Jesus is God, then he is God the Father in flesh and not a seperate person. Do you notice the distintion in John 17: 3? He called God the Father the only true God, then he added "And" Jesus Christ indicating the distinction between Spirit and Flesh. Eph 1: 17 tells us that Jesus has a God but you will not agree that one co-equal person of the Trinity has a God, you can see the distinction here easily, which is Spirit and Flesh and not co-equal persons. We have to make since out of all scripture and not just some.
I will make a thread about the distinction, soon, i hope you stop by. God bless

Thank-you. To be honest I was not very fimiliar with the Oneness doctrine. So, if I understand you correctly, God the Father became Jesus in the flesh?
'Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done'" (Luke 22:42).
The above was spoken by Jesus. If Jesus was not a unique persona of the Godhead and the Son and the Father are one in the same, why would Jesus be talking about His will as being different? This is why Trinity believes in 3 personas or persons together in ONE living God.

[Hope]

Nephilim wrote:

<quoted text>I am sorry!

Thank-you Neph

[Apostolic Man]

Hope wrote:

I am sorry maybe tomorrow I will get back to you. I am very sad today as my 25 yo neighbor has died. I will so miss seeing her and her little boy.

Im so sorry that you lost a dear friend, take all the time you need :(

[Apostolic Man]

Hope wrote:

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Thank-you. To be honest I was not very fimiliar with the Oneness doctrine. So, if I understand you correctly, God the Father became Jesus in the flesh?
'Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done'" (Luke 22:42).
The above was spoken by Jesus. If Jesus was not a unique persona of the Godhead and the Son and the Father are one in the same, why would Jesus be talking about His will as being different? This is why Trinity believes in 3 personas or persons together in ONE living God.

I will tell you the problem with Jesus prayers and the Trinity. First, one co-equal person should not have to pray to another. Second, this would make Jesus a subordinate God if he was another person in a Trinity.

Since Jesus is the Word become flesh, then he is a human without ceasing to be God. The Son of God, God in flesh prayed to God the Father. Don't forget that Jesus couldn't do anything of himself (John 5: 30) but needed Gods help to do it, does this sound like a second co-equal person in a Trinity to you, someone who needs help? Just keep in mind that Jesus was also 100% human and thus experianced EVERYTHING that we do.

[Nephilim]

Matthew 3:16-17 (New International Version)
16As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. 17And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

[aesthetic]

Apostolic Man wrote:

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I will tell you the problem with Jesus prayers and the Trinity. First, one co-equal person should not have to pray to another. Second, this would make Jesus a subordinate God if he was another person in a Trinity.
Since Jesus is the Word become flesh, then he is a human without ceasing to be God. The Son of God, God in flesh prayed to God the Father. Don't forget that Jesus couldn't do anything of himself (John 5: 30) but needed Gods help to do it, does this sound like a second co-equal person in a Trinity to you, someone who needs help? Just keep in mind that Jesus was also 100% human and thus experianced EVERYTHING that we do.

If He was taught, sent, and did another's will and not his, would that not signify subordination? Are not words subordinate to the Speaker? And what the words reveal, are they not the Speakers thoughts?

[Apostolic Man]

aesthetic wrote:

<quoted text>If He was taught, sent, and did another's will and not his, would that not signify subordination? Are not words subordinate to the Speaker? And what the words reveal, are they not the Speakers thoughts?

Of course, you are 100% correct. So since Jesus is subordinate to God the Father and is a seperate person, then doesn't that make him a lesser God thus confirming Justin Martyrs belief?
You have to make since out of it and not have Jesus to look like a lesser God.

The Word is that same God and thus their is no subordination because God is subordinate to nobody. Jesus is God in the flesh and is subordinate. Where does the subordination come from, The Word become flesh or God, the Son? Big difference. Also, if the God is a Trinity, was The Word who is God subordinate another person? Please answer

Keep in mind, The Word literally became 100% flesh and thus got hungry, sleepy, prayed, fasted, tired etc.

[Apostolic Man]

aesthetic wrote:

<quoted text>If He was taught, sent, and did another's will and not his, would that not signify subordination? Are not words subordinate to the Speaker? And what the words reveal, are they not the Speakers thoughts?

God is subordinate to nobody and The Word is God so he is to nobody. There is no such thing as a higher or lesser God. God is God and is almighty. the bible never tells us otherwise.

[Hope]

Apostolic Man wrote:

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I will tell you the problem with Jesus prayers and the Trinity. First, one co-equal person should not have to pray to another. Second, this would make Jesus a subordinate God if he was another person in a Trinity.
Since Jesus is the Word become flesh, then he is a human without ceasing to be God. The Son of God, God in flesh prayed to God the Father. Don't forget that Jesus couldn't do anything of himself (John 5: 30) but needed Gods help to do it, does this sound like a second co-equal person in a Trinity to you, someone who needs help? Just keep in mind that Jesus was also 100% human and thus experianced EVERYTHING that we do.

Believing in ONE living God with 3 persons does not make any of the three less or subordinate to the other, IMO, as they are all part of the Godhead. Praying to self appears to be more a problem for the Oneness believer. You are correct that Jesus in the flesh showed reverence to the Father of the Godhead, but once again if this was the also the Father in the body of Christ it appears to present more of a problem to the Oneness believer in my opinion. I will re-read your posts as I am again confused by who Jesus is in this concept. Thank-you for your response