Should Christians eat pork or shellfish?

Should Christians eat pork or shellfish?

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Disciple

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#1 Jul 22, 2013
The bible says it is unclean and not to be eaten, yet Christians eat it all day everyday.

Jesus never ate unclean foods, Paul didn't and none of the disciples did either and no where in the New Testament does it show them teaching others to do likewise.

Every verse Christians use to justify eating unclean foods are used way out of its real meaning.
Acts 10
Acts 15
Romans 14
Matthew 15
Mark 7
Colossians 2
1Tim 4:4

If you want to eat pork,,shrimp, lobster, crab, and catfish, go right ahead and enjoy, but please stop using the bible out of its context to justify your behavior.
Ant

Palo Alto, CA

#2 Jul 22, 2013
Agreed, but even clean food will kill you now adays.

Chicken and beef are full of chemicals now adays, so they are biotoxic while the unclean foods listed are naturally more toxic.

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#3 Jul 22, 2013
Should Christians eat pork or shellfish?

Why not?
Jesus Is

Blacktown, Australia

#5 Jul 22, 2013
MATTHEW 15:11
"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."
Jesus Is

Blacktown, Australia

#6 Jul 22, 2013
MATTHEW 15:16
“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them."
Thinking

Atlanta, GA

#7 Jul 22, 2013
Jesus Is wrote:
MATTHEW 15:16
“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them."
I see you left out verse 20.
Matthew 15:20
20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

When read in its context, verses 1-2 clearly shows the issue at hand here is about why are the disciples eating with unwashed hands

Matthew 15
15 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat

So Matthew 15 and Mark 7 are talking about eating with unwashed hands does not make a person unclean. There is nothing here suggesting Jesus canceled out the dietary laws. If he did he would have been labeled a false teacher for teaching against his fathers law and been a giant hypocrite for just condemning them for putting aside the commands of God and turn right around and do it himself by telling them eating unclean foods is okay with God.

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#12 Jul 22, 2013
Christians may eat anything they choose! So Jesus says. And Christians are called Christians.

All is sound to eat, providing the grace is given.
TI1 4: 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
TI1 4: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

TI1 (Timothy) 4: 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of
devils;
TI1 4: 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
TI1 4: 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know
the truth.
TI1 4: 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
TI1 4: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

DEFILLES A MAN

MAT 15: 16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
MAT 15: 17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
MAT 15: 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
MAT 15: 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Full page:
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/foods-c...

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- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
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- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
- Protect the Children from Satan in the Churches: http://www.silentlambs.org

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#13 Jul 23, 2013
Pork. It's cheaper.
Disciple

United States

#14 Jul 23, 2013
Cliff09 wrote:
Christians may eat anything they choose! So Jesus says. And Christians are called Christians.
All is sound to eat, providing the grace is given.
TI1 4: 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
TI1 4: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
TI1 (Timothy) 4: 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of
devils;
TI1 4: 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
TI1 4: 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know
the truth.
TI1 4: 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
TI1 4: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
DEFILLES A MAN
MAT 15: 16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
MAT 15: 17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
MAT 15: 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
MAT 15: 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Full page:
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/foods-c...
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- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.
Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...
- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
- Protect the Children from Satan in the Churches: http://www.silentlambs.org
 

This explains Matt 15

Matthew15
20.  These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands

So it is clear the issue is eating work unwashed hands doesn't make you unclean.

1tim 4:4
Good never considered unclean food to be food for his followers, so prayer can't make a unclean animal all of a sudden clean.

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#15 Jul 23, 2013
Don't be so selfish. Don't horde all the shellfish!

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#16 Jul 23, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
Pork. It's cheaper.
It's the other white meat.

“theholychristian church.com”

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#17 Jul 23, 2013
Disciple wrote:
<quoted text> 
This explains Matt 15
Matthew15
20.  These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands
So it is clear the issue is eating work unwashed hands doesn't make you unclean.
1tim 4:4
Good never considered unclean food to be food for his followers, so prayer can't make a unclean animal all of a sudden clean.
Well, FOOL: Jesus says that unclean is now sound to eat for the followers of Christ, and so it is, fool!

http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/foods-c...

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#19 Jul 25, 2013
The Vortex wrote:
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Stop misusing the meaning of one verse to use it as a loophole to get out of following your alleged "god's" "word".
Where do you find food restrictions in the NT?

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#20 Jul 25, 2013
Cliff09 wrote:
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Well, FOOL:
Matthew 5:22 (NKJV)
22 But whoever says,'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.
Ant

Palo Alto, CA

#21 Jul 25, 2013
Cliff09 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, FOOL: Jesus says that unclean is now sound to eat for the followers of Christ, and so it is, fool!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/foods-c...
Comments like this shows how other actually read the bible in its correct context and how you know nothing.

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#22 Jul 25, 2013
The bible is very clear in its teachings: and only the bible can teach! Remember? All other 'PREACH'.

Ye Fools! You are no brothers, for one: you are not Christians and neither am I: thus you are not my brother and neither are you mine. Understand? A Christian is a repented and baptized person: the same is holy!

CALLING ONE FOOL

Well, fool! We have discussed this before, and so here my response again:
a) my anger is not without a cause.
b) brother, in the context it's used in here means 'Fellow Christian'.
Christians are equal in their understanding and acceptance of the gospel: repent and baptize and follow all your live is accepted by all Christians.
Any christian can call any non-christian a fool when the latter speaks foolishly about the gospel, just like Jesus did.

PROOF 1
MAT 5: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother WITHOUT A CAUSE shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

PROOF 2
PHI 4: 21 Salute every saint in Christ Jesus. The brethren which are with me greet you

FOOL
MAT 23: 17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
MAT 23: 19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
LUK 11: 40 Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
LUK 24: 25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
CO1 15: 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

FOOL, QUOTING FOOL
GAL 3: 1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
GAL 3: 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

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“theholychristian church.com”

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#23 Jul 25, 2013
Disciple wrote:
<quoted text> 
This explains Matt 15
Matthew15
20.  These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands
So it is clear the issue is eating work unwashed hands doesn't make you unclean.
1tim 4:4
Good never considered unclean food to be food for his followers, so prayer can't make a unclean animal all of a sudden clean.
And are you re-writing 1Tim 4:4???? How dear you?

TI1 4: 1

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

TI1 4: 2

Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

TI1 4: 3

Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

TI1 4: 4

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

TI1 4: 5

For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

TI1 4: 6

If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

----------

- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...

- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
- Protect the Children from Satan in the Churches: http://www.silentlambs.org
Disciple

Jersey City, NJ

#24 Jul 25, 2013
Cliff09 wrote:
<quoted text>
And are you re-writing 1Tim 4:4???? How dear you?
TI1 4: 1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
TI1 4: 2
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
TI1 4: 3
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
TI1 4: 4
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
TI1 4: 5
For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
TI1 4: 6
If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
----------
- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.
Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...
- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
- Protect the Children from Satan in the Churches: http://www.silentlambs.org
The food they are referring to in this chapter is meats sacrificed to idols. Half of the issue with meats in the NT is about meats sacrificed to idols.

If Paul is saying you can eat unclean foods, he is going against the law of God and would have been labeled a false teacher. Jesus and Paul didn't track against each other, they both taught from the Torah and taught the same thing.

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#25 Jul 25, 2013
Jesus come to full fill the OT not to do away with it. God made everything on this earth, there is nothing unclean to eat any more thank to Jesus....
The Seven Spirits of God

San Antonio, TX

#26 Jul 25, 2013
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
Jesus come to full fill the OT not to do away with it. God made everything on this earth, there is nothing unclean to eat any more thank to Jesus....
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