Oneness vs. Trinity
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truthseeker

Anchorage, AK

#934 Jan 17, 2012
FRANKY IS IGNORANT IS SOUNDS MORE LIKE A JW THAN A TRINITARIAN
Errol

Kingston, Jamaica

#935 May 21, 2012
Franky wrote:
With all due respect. Please turn from those beliefs. Many times on this forum I will debate with many fellow Christians, be it Catholics or Protestants about many things like faith vs works or the Virgin Mary and each of us gives his/her viewpoint and we all have many different beliefs in some aspects, but one thing that we all agree on is that Jesus is not God the Father and that God the Father could not have died on the cross, that was for Jesus only to do. Please turn from that belief because it has long since been labeled a heresy.
Can it be said that Jesus cast out demons by Baalzebub because the scribes felt that way, or is he a wine bibber and defiler of sabbaths because the religious order of the day felt that way? So what has your concepts and labelling of those who like true Jews believe there is only ONE GOD and not any trinity has to do with the truth? Jn14:7 "If ye had kniwn me ,you would have known my Father and from henceforth you KNOW Him and have SEEN HIM" is that Saebellist views or Jesus's words?
Errol

Kingston, Jamaica

#936 May 21, 2012
Fundamentally it seem as if we wish to re-write the bible. In John 1:3 "All things were made by Him and without was not anything made that were made" Who mae the heavens and the earth? Who made man? Gen 1:26 butlook at verse 27 God in HIS image Made HE them etc...singular pronouns and no trinitarian can say who was saying to who in verse 26 of chapter 1 of Gen! was it Father to Son? Then How did He became Son? Who was the mother? Who came first? Who is greater?...If Father is greater then how the doctrine of the Trinity teaches they are co-equal? Equal means on the same level, no differentiation of might,strength or worth. What's the difference between 3 person and 3 beings? because the bible teaches in Isa 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD, the King of Israel, and his (Israel's) Redeemer The LORD of host: I am the first, and I am the last, and beside me there is NO GOD! NO TRINITY, look at verse 8.""...Is there a God beside me? Yea, THERE IS NO GOD; I KNOW NOT ANY" Some of us seem to know more than God it seems!
Bro Steve Winter

Roxboro, NC

#937 Jul 6, 2014
Identity of God - Biblical proof that Jesus Christ is God.
Sharing from http://biblefolk.com/forum/topic/2 Click link to read entire article

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

In this modern day and hour there are many opposing theories by many sincere, honest seekers regarding the identity of God. Some say that God is somehow three separate persons in a trinity but we need to consider the first of all the commandments.

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

I know that there are many verses that many good people think teach separate persons in a "god squad" as it were, but we need to regard scripture in light of scripture. We need to respect Jesus in his statement regarding the first of all the commandments.

The identity of the God or gods being worshiped is not some side issue but is of foundational importance to your soul.

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.
Deuteronomy 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

One key to understanding the identity of God is to understand the simple concepts of flesh and spirit.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Though we humans (created in God's image) have body, soul and spirit we are not each "three separate persons". Though God manifested Himself as "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" he is not "three separate persons". When society finds someone who is three separate persons do they not lock them up or medicate them (for their protection and protection of society). God is NOT three separate persons!

Allow me to submit to you some foundational truths that I will document from scripture and then use to make my point.

1) God is a Spirit.

John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

2) God is holy.

I Samuel 2:2 [There is] none holy as the LORD: for [there is] none beside thee: neither [is there] any rock like our God.

3) God is a "Holy Spirit".

4) Jesus is the "Spirit of truth"

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

5) Jesus was "dwelling with them" and promised to be "in them".

John 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

6) The "comforter" is the "Spirit of Christ"

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

7) The "Spirit of Christ" is the "Holy Spirit" is the "Spirit of Truth"

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