What Bible Translation can we Trust?

[Nephilim]

Paula wrote:

I love the Bible I have now. Ive read so many versions, but never once enjoyed it as much as this. Im reading the Amplified version. Its a Joyce Meyer Bible, with no end of life points, notes and teaching also.
She is one awesome preacher. This Bible is really enjoyable and so much easier to understand, when you have all the helpful notes to go with it!

I agree, I enjoy those types as well.

[Nephilim]

Logic wrote:

<quoted text>Joyce Meyer is a con-artist and a fraud! And you will go to hell too for following a woman pastor. The New Testament strictly forbids women from even speaking in church, let alone be a pastor to a megachurch. Read your own Bible missy. I'm sure Joyce didn't point those verses out to you.

I believe that is Timothy you are referring to. That scritpure is addressing a specific church that is having many problems. The point was to stop specific people from tearing a specific church apart. In this case women.

However, while this is commonly thought to be a letter from Paul, authirship is very much in question.

[McMike]

lincoln wrote:

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dingbat, Jude is "original text". Jude is "inspired by God", 2 Tim.3:16. And Jude clearly says that S&G were destroyed for sexual immorality as an example to us,v7.

You're quoting ONE reference when I posted links showing you even Jewish scholars don't believe S&G had anything to do with homosexuality. The aspect you're trying to bring into it is the men wanting to RAPE the angels. I realize every time you've had sex it's been more rape then concensual probably but there's a HUGE difference b/w rape and love.

[McMike]

Med wrote:

<quoted text>Again, you avoid the issue to your own condemnation. You avoid the questions that refute your insanity. Did all the homosexuals die in Sodom and Gommorah? Yes or No. If the homosexuals at Lot's front door were sinless homosexuals, then why did the two angels blind them and then Jesus Christ kill them with fire and brimstone?

Take your lithium Med. Everyone dies in S&G, just not the homosexuals. It's classic trailer park trash, like yourself, like to equate an act of rape with what two consentual adults do. What's even more classic is this is exactly why LGBT are gaining rights at such a quick rate. Thank you for your ignorance and thank you for it being the only tool you have a grasp on.

[McMike]

lincoln wrote:

<quoted text> Christians, according to the Bible, are not under the Levitical Laws, Acts 10:15, Gal. 3:34,25, ect.
The only carry-over restriction on the Christian was not to eat things offered to idols, blood or things strangled and no sexual immorality, Acts 15:28,29.

You lose buster brown. It doesn't take long to sink your ship:
Two copies of Acts have been preserved. Most ancient manuscripts are of the shorter version, which is apparently close to the original writings of "Luke." At some later date, an unknown writer modified the text in a number of places. They made changes and additions to the original, in order to match the then current beliefs of the mainline Christians. For example, Acts 15:20 originally referred only to Jewish ritual demands concerning allowable foods. It was later changed to refer also to sexual immorality - an increasing concern of mainline Christians. The longer, adulterated version appears in modern-day western Bibles.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_ntb2.ht...

[McMike]

Med wrote:

<quoted text>And another thing, The homosexual Greek terminology may have DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, as you say, but the overiding factor is homosexuality is SIN IN ALL OF ITS' CATEGORIES. To take one of those categories and try and slice it away from its SIN IS LUDICROUS AT BEST. It is very apparent that you are trying to separate the act from sin. On that front all Abrahamic religions, in all cases, define it as SIN. Even the Greeks, from which you use the etymology, defined it as 'against nature', via Plato; as severe penalties were involved for its use, even death.

Wrong. Since we're talking Paul here the ONLY reference he made was to male temple prostitution. Are you trying to say I should listen to you because you think ALL homosexual acts are wrong or should I listen to Paul who not only specifically says "male temple prostitution" but does NOT list any OTHER reference to homosexual acts. I love how you've said over and over again "we can not look to what the Bible specifically says because we know all homosexual acts are wrong". We've talked Leviticus and Paul and both instances are talking of SPECIFICS yet you somehow think it does not.

[McMike]

Med wrote:

<quoted text>I want to stick my nose in here one more time to get some etymology going here on this homo-stuff. The words involved with the Greek concerning this word 'homosexual' are based upon the glottal prefix and suffix, namely 'arsenkoites/arsenkoital'. The prefix 'arseno' means male. The suffix means base, licentious activity, especially when compared to the Septuagent, where it is penalized with a death sentence.'Malkoi'[male prostitution] and porniea [fornication] are all associated and categorized in scripture as sin. The hang up generally is observed with people like McMike that try and purvey their intentions from altered definitions. The Attic Greek vs. The Byzantine Greek is the key. The Attic Greek, which is the foreunner of the two, gives different meanings based upon suppositions from latter time periods, much like the homo agenda is doing today, by saying homosexual can mean any relationship of like sexes; promicuous or not. Change with the times for sins' sake. Not so, say I. The Attic Greek term for homosexual activity[arsenkoites is always in every case licentiuos, filthy behavior. The Byzantine Greek attempt to downgrade the word 'arsenkoites[tal]' to mean 'a male that beds down', is in actuality from the Attic Greek,'one who beds males'. And there you have it. Even Polycarp associates the word 'arsenkoites' to homosexual, filthy sin. In all cases Paul assiciates ALL OF THE CATEGORIES WITH EVIL, FILTHY SIN.

Med do you even hear yourself. It appears you're actually listening to what I'm saying and are now trying to apply your logic. Ever hear of what happens when you cut off the head of a chicken. This is you Bubba. Let's review though:

You agree Paul used the word which, when translated correctly, means "male temple prostitution". However you start debating the Byzantine language. You are a true idiot my friend. Did you come up with this theory yourself? May I ask you are you a scholar of the Greek language and have studied your theory or did you just pull it out of your ass. Tell you what. Seeing Google is the easiest tool to prove your point why don't you try Googling it. This will help you come up with proof from scholars and experts. Until then you're just a desperate man with a bunch of hot air.

[SongBookz]

Med wrote:

<quoted text>Your bible sources of translation were done in 1611. There are NO ORIGINAL GREEK OR HEBREW TEXTS. If you use the Septuagent from 280 B.C., then the KJV translation out of it is errored and flawed in numerous occasions. For instance; the Name of 'JESUS'-Iesous in the Greek was translated 'Joshua' in the KJV which is a definate mistranslation. The 'Joshua' attempt is from 'Jehoshua-Yeshua' and Moses, not JESUS.

Ah - Jesus never heard the name "Jesus," in the Hebrew, his name is the same as Moses' successor, Joshua. "Ieosus" was the Greek transliteration, but Jesus spoke Aramaic, there was no "J" in the English language until the 1500s.

[SongBookz]

Paula wrote:

I love the Bible I have now. Ive read so many versions, but never once enjoyed it as much as this. Im reading the Amplified version. Its a Joyce Meyer Bible, with no end of life points, notes and teaching also.
She is one awesome preacher. This Bible is really enjoyable and so much easier to understand, when you have all the helpful notes to go with it!

I liked Joyce Meyers years ago - until I heard her lead the congregation on one of her tapes through a affirmation from the Silva Mind Control Course.

[SongBookz]

Although I grew up with the KJV and have read it many times, I also enjoy other translations - am especially fond of the e-sword software. I just bought a 2nd copy of The Message because I gave the first one away to a neighbor who had problems with the archaic English in the KJV.

Frankly, I think the BEST Bible is a Bible a person will actually read.

[PaulaR]

SongBookz wrote:

Frankly, I think the BEST Bible is a Bible a person will actually read.

I couldnt agree with you more. Spot on!!!

[Med]

McMike wrote:

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Med do you even hear yourself. It appears you're actually listening to what I'm saying and are now trying to apply your logic. Ever hear of what happens when you cut off the head of a chicken. This is you Bubba. Let's review though:
You agree Paul used the word which, when translated correctly, means "male temple prostitution". However you start debating the 'Byzantine language. You are a true idiot my friend. Did you come up with this theory yourself? May I ask you are you a scholar of the Greek language and have studied your theory or did you just pull it out of your ass. Tell you what. Seeing Google is the easiest tool to prove your point why don't you try Googling it. This will help you come up with proof from scholars and experts. Until then you're just a desperate man with a bunch of hot air.

I hate to burst your bubble, but these statements I make are actual linguistic fact of which not only do you ignore the fact, but refuse to admit the accuracy of historical documents and such. That's right, just Google it and you'll find. You can't sidestep my etymological breakdown, IT'S FACT AND HISTORY. gET OFF OF YOUR MALE TEMPLE PROSTITUTE, BECAUSE i JUST DISMANTLED YOUR INTELLIGENCE ON THESUBJECT. aNYONE THAT WOULD EVEN TRY TO DIMISS POST # 117 IS OBVIOUSLY TRYING desperately dimiss the TRUTH. Iv'e got you. You're dead in the water, pal. The only reason I even delved into Greek etymology is because you kept using it, inappropriately, I might add. I challenge you to even try and dismantle the etymology of the Greek presented. It's accurate and DEAD ON. It's all SIN. And I don't deal in theories, pal just fact. If you don't understand or know about the Attic and Byzantine Greek variations, then which one of us is the SUCKER? You pushed your point to phase 1, but failed to understand that there are phases after the fact that you obviously haven't studied. Don't degrade me, just because you're the unhappy student. Unless you come up with some ancillary intelligence or scholarship on the subject, our discussion is over, because YOU LOSE 'ARSENKOITES'.

[Med]

SongBookz wrote:

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Ah - Jesus never heard the name "Jesus," in the Hebrew, his name is the same as Moses' successor, Joshua. "Ieosus" was the Greek transliteration, but Jesus spoke Aramaic, there was no "J" in the English language until the 1500s.

I'LL LET YOU DOWN EASY. you have no idea of what you are talking about. Jesus in the Hebrew is 'Geez-oos', from the root 'yesha', with the 's' added for male syntax. Jehoshua' Yeshua is from Moses and is a situational pre-cursor Name for Christ, but the Father's extant Name is always Jesus. You also knowc nothing of the history of your mistakes. The 'J' sound goes back to acient Egypt, using the 'I' has the 'J' sound.'Iesous' is the Greek for what? Not Jehoshua or Yeshua. Those have their own variants. The Greek translation is from the Paleo-Hebrew 'Geez-oos',[Jesus]. To get educated on the subject, Google 'ieue yhwh'. My discussion of it is listed # 1. Don't ask such stupid and obviously uneducated questions and answers, as you do. Get educated and then come back. You can also read other dissertations on other subjects concerning such, in the AOG forum, under 'Trinity Baptism is a Fraud'. Ignorance of fact is embarrassing, as you will find out. And by the way Jesus spoke many languages. Get real. He's God Almighty the Father. He knows everything.

[zazenmind]

All your translation are just self predicting cycle of vain repetition, that will only reproduce the same results, its the nature of all patterns and the by-product of all those that imitate the past and its authorities and symbols....Every problem of today is the by-product of those who follow the failed patterns of the past, at every level of humanity and society...We cant see our common humanity, because we are blinded by the failed ideas of the past, its labels, symbols and beliefs, that you are programmed to imitate out of fear...WAKE UP..WE ARE ALL BORN SCIENTIST, AND OUR STUDY IS LIFE FOR ADAPTING AND TRANSFORMING INTELLIGENTLY CREATIVELY...VAIN REPETITION ONLY DULLS THE MIND, AND PREVENTS OUR INDIVIDUAL GROWTH AND UNDERSTANDING...Today every problem is directly related to lack of awareness, because of imitators cant see what is, they function out their robotic programming and fear...FROM OIL TO TOIL, LACK OF AWARENESS HAS PERPETUATED THE PROBLEMS..

[Med]

zazenmind wrote:

All your translation are just self predicting cycle of vain repetition, that will only reproduce the same results, its the nature of all patterns and the by-product of all those that imitate the past and its authorities and symbols....Every problem of today is the by-product of those who follow the failed patterns of the past, at every level of humanity and society...We cant see our common humanity, because we are blinded by the failed ideas of the past, its labels, symbols and beliefs, that you are programmed to imitate out of fear...WAKE UP..WE ARE ALL BORN SCIENTIST, AND OUR STUDY IS LIFE FOR ADAPTING AND TRANSFORMING INTELLIGENTLY CREATIVELY...VAIN REPETITION ONLY DULLS THE MIND, AND PREVENTS OUR INDIVIDUAL GROWTH AND UNDERSTANDING...Today every problem is directly related to lack of awareness, because of imitators cant see what is, they function out their robotic programming and fear...FROM OIL TO TOIL, LACK OF AWARENESS HAS PERPETUATED THE PROBLEMS..

Long time ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.Shall we all forget about historicity, to live in your contemporary ZZZZZZZZZZZZ world?

[Seentheotherside]

Paula wrote:

I love the Bible I have now. Ive read so many versions, but never once enjoyed it as much as this. Im reading the Amplified version. Its a Joyce Meyer Bible, with no end of life points, notes and teaching also.
She is one awesome preacher. This Bible is really enjoyable and so much easier to understand, when you have all the helpful notes to go with it!

http://apostasywatch.com/teaching5/page8.html

[Seentheotherside]

Nephilim wrote:

<quoted text>I agree, I enjoy those types as well.

I just knew you were one of the deeply brainwashed ones, for you like their bible lies spoon fed to you, because it hurts your little noggin when you have to think for yourself.

http://apostasywatch.com/teaching5/page8.html

[Seentheotherside]

SongBookz wrote:

Although I grew up with the KJV and have read it many times, I also enjoy other translations - am especially fond of the e-sword software. I just bought a 2nd copy of The Message because I gave the first one away to a neighbor who had problems with the archaic English in the KJV.
Frankly, I think the BEST Bible is a Bible a person will actually read.

Yea, nice fantasy story book eh? The Noah's Ark story is hilarious!

[lincoln]

McMike wrote:

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You're quoting ONE reference when I posted links showing you even Jewish scholars don't believe S&G had anything to do with homosexuality. The aspect you're trying to bring into it is the men wanting to RAPE the angels. I realize every time you've had sex it's been more rape then concensual probably but there's a HUGE difference b/w rape and love.

dingbat, the "ONE reference" I am quoting is right after 3 John, right before The Revelation, IN the Bible.
Your "scholars" are a moot point.

[FREAKS]

Wayne wrote:

I go with the King James Version. I know there must be something to it because it is the most attacked by liberals and the homosexuals even try to say he was gay. Errors? Probably but so minute it really doesn't affect the Word of salvation, which is Jesus Christ. I have a Companion Bible, compiled by E.W. Bullinger, one of the greatest scholars of all time. He was the only Gentile that Ginsburg let proofread his translation.

So you have a Crapanion Bible, come pile crap by I.M. Bullshitter(couldn't let that get by). Perfect for you to use, since you like to "Pile" crap, also.
Errors? How about LIES, UNTRUTHS. Word of salvation..J/C??
J/C cries, every time you post your views regarding him and the bible.
Wayne, do you CRY YOURSELF to sleep, cuz YOU can't get the message of J/C's love, to the NON BELIEVERS???
I'll tell you WHY people don't "Listen" to your message(s). Cuz you're a HATE FILLED person.