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#21 Dec 25, 2008
Kerdy 1 wrote:
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Do I really need to say anything?
You did in the thread where you copied(Me like you no way. Sure I may get off track from time to time but I don't play the little kid games like you two do. post #99 under title Meaningless Sex & Single Christians.

your reply post # 100

everyone go take a look.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/christian...

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#22 Dec 25, 2008
Wayne wrote:
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Yes,, it can ALL be denied for the simple fact they have the SIMPLEST thing wrong,,,Jesus Christ WASN'T born on Dec. 25th. The pagans stole bits and pieces from the truth and scattered it in with their blasphemies and false gods. They were really not that original.
Now this is an example of a truly religiously brain-damaged person. He actually swallows the xtian apologetic that somehow the story of Jesus was planted into pagan myths centuries, even millenia before the first century CE. That is serious brain damage.
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#23 Dec 25, 2008
Pray to Zeus wrote:
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Funny how you confuse facts for nonsense and nonsense for facts. ROFLMHO
Funny how the confused call those with clarity "confused".

This site is fully supported by scriptures from both sides.

http://threeroyalwarriors.tripod.com/jesusthe...

If you can't take the truth, you have no business to worship God.
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#24 Dec 25, 2008
Who was Mithra?

Mithra is first mentioned in a treaty between the Hittites and the Arya Mittani tribe in the Middle East -- this is where Melchizedek and Abraham were.

http://www.nullens.org/content/view/26/
These tablets contain the first recorded mention of the name "Mitra" together with the Lord of Heaven. Mitra was the protector of a treaty between the Hatti (Hittites) and the Mittani. This treaty dates from the 14th century BC.

This Mittani daughter was married to the Egyptian King.

The Bible was in fact, a Hurrian/Mittani text which is why "lion of Judah" is mentioned as "Gur Aryeh" in Hebrew.

http://www.briansbetterworld.com/articles/who...
The Nuzi texts were written circa 1500 B.C., in other words, some four centuries after the purported time of Abraham. This suggests that either the Mari were the precursors of the Mitanni people, or that the biblical chronology is incorrect and that Abraham was born at a later period. Abraham allegedly left Haran 645 years before the Exodus.

Be that as it may, the Mitanni nobility, known as Marya, were an Indo-Aryan warrior caste, referred to in the Bible as Horites; the Horites worshipped the Indian deities Mithra, the god of light, who was claimed to be the intermediary between the Creator and humanity, and Varuna, the god of cosmological order.

In view of the preoccupation of the Marya with horses and chariots, they were probably descended from a migratory group of the previously-mentioned Otomani people of the Carpathian Basin, who not only possessed superior smelting technology, but appear to have used chariots at a much earlier period than their Middle-Eastern neighbors.

In consideration of the fact that Abraham possessed servants, he was obviously a person of influence, and quite possibly a member of the nobility. This supposition is reinforced by the fact that textual evidence claims that the Mari populace were hostile toward Semitic pastoralists. Emerging from the past, the excavated ruins are indicative that Haran was a very substantial city, even by today's standards. The image of Abraham and his kindred pastoralists dwelling in tents amidst the palaces, temples and related splendors of this majestic city of antiquity, stretches one's credulity to the limit. Either the Patriarch was a tent-dwelling nomad living in a sparsely-populated pastoral region, or an affluent city dweller, but not both, as the Bible claims.

Nearing the end of his life, Abraham, reluctant to see his son Isaac take a Canaanite for a bride, instructed his eldest servant to "go into my country, and to my kindred and take a wife unto my son Isaac... and he arose and went to Mesopotamia, unto the city of Nahor. "(9)

From this statement, we can ascertain that Abraham's original home was not Haran, or even Ur, but Nahor; moreover, it was the domicile of his relatives. Nahor was a city located in the Balikh Valley of northern Mesopotamia, in the region that later became the kingdom of Mitanni. This is of great historical importance for it suggests that Abraham was an Inda-Aryan Horite, not a Semite , as claimed by Jew and Arab alike.

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#30 Dec 25, 2008
Pray to Zeus wrote:
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How so?
Easy, thats how.

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#31 Dec 25, 2008
Jammercolo wrote:
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You did in the thread where you copied(Me like you no way. Sure I may get off track from time to time but I don't play the little kid games like you two do. post #99 under title Meaningless Sex & Single Christians.
your reply post # 100
everyone go take a look.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/christian...
And you proved that you do indeed do the very thing you stated you dont in this thread. Thanks so much!
Wayne

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#32 Dec 25, 2008
Pray to Zeus wrote:
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December is the special birthdate for many god-men including Jesus. Of course Jesus wasn't really born on Dec 25 -- mythological gods never actually are born on any date, and that includes you-know-why!
Unlike Christian research that DEBUNKS your claims,,YOU cannot debunk Christian claims by anything other than lies.
Wayne

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#33 Dec 25, 2008
Abbey Yoyo wrote:
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Now this is an example of a truly religiously brain-damaged person. He actually swallows the xtian apologetic that somehow the story of Jesus was planted into pagan myths centuries, even millenia before the first century CE. That is serious brain damage.
Excuse me? Do you EVEN know what you are talking about? No? I didn't think so.
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#34 Dec 25, 2008
Mitra can be compared to Yahweh:

Yahweh is the ruler of heaven and earth

So is Mitra:

3.59.1 Mitra, when speaking, stirreth men to labour: Mitra sustaineth both the earth and heaven.
(trans. Griffith)

Mitra is also a keeper of the covenant. His name literally means "means of binding"

And it is no surprise that this terminology would come into the Bible...Abram was in Canaan and Canaan was ruled by the Mitanni -- I would not be surprised if Melchizidek, the canaanite king was a Mitanni.

Some other sanskrit words in the bible:

Aryeh (Gur Aryeh)
Ekad (literally "our God is one"), sanskrit numbers are found in Mitanni texts.
Abraham(father of nations)- Brahma prajapati
Sarah - Saraswati

All these words are found in the Vedas.

Again, I don't it's a copy, I think the Bible was heard by Mitanni priest-kings.

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#36 Dec 26, 2008
Hello wrote:
Mitra can be compared to Yahweh:
Yahweh is the ruler of heaven and earth
So is Mitra:
3.59.1 Mitra, when speaking, stirreth men to labour: Mitra sustaineth both the earth and heaven.
(trans. Griffith)
Mitra is also a keeper of the covenant. His name literally means "means of binding"
And it is no surprise that this terminology would come into the Bible...Abram was in Canaan and Canaan was ruled by the Mitanni -- I would not be surprised if Melchizidek, the canaanite king was a Mitanni.
Some other sanskrit words in the bible:
Aryeh (Gur Aryeh)
Ekad (literally "our God is one"), sanskrit numbers are found in Mitanni texts.
Abraham(father of nations)- Brahma prajapati
Sarah - Saraswati
All these words are found in the Vedas.
Again, I don't it's a copy, I think the Bible was heard by Mitanni priest-kings.
Mitra....

Wasnt that one of the giant creatures on an old Godzilla movie?

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#37 Dec 26, 2008
Wayne wrote:
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Unlike Christian research that DEBUNKS your claims,,YOU cannot debunk Christian claims by anything other than lies.
Isnt it odd how these folks, waist deep in their ignorance, foolishly attempt to tell CHristians what we think, feel, why we do what we do and the origins of our faith, even though they never studied any of these things? They only find this rubbish on hate sites and think its truth. Silly humans, stupidity is for the weak.......
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#38 Dec 26, 2008
Kerdy 1 wrote:
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Mitra....
Wasnt that one of the giant creatures on an old Godzilla movie?
No, he was probably the diety of Abraham's priest, Melchizedek -- Melchizedek is considered the king of Canaan -- Mitanni (Indo-Aryans)were the rulers during Abraham's time.

The Bible's final covenant is not of the Israelites, it is that of Melchizedek.

If you don't know the religion of Melchizedek, you are no Christian.
Wayne

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#39 Dec 26, 2008
Kerdy 1 wrote:
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Isnt it odd how these folks, waist deep in their ignorance, foolishly attempt to tell CHristians what we think, feel, why we do what we do and the origins of our faith, even though they never studied any of these things? They only find this rubbish on hate sites and think its truth. Silly humans, stupidity is for the weak.......
Yeah,,, I noticed that too.

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#40 Dec 26, 2008
Hello wrote:
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No, he was probably the diety of Abraham's priest, Melchizedek -- Melchizedek is considered the king of Canaan -- Mitanni (Indo-Aryans)were the rulers during Abraham's time.
The Bible's final covenant is not of the Israelites, it is that of Melchizedek.
If you don't know the religion of Melchizedek, you are no Christian.
ROFL! That was the funniest pile of garbage I have read in some time. Thanks for the laugh! But, um, your cleaning it up......
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#41 Dec 26, 2008
Kerdy 1 wrote:
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ROFL! That was the funniest pile of garbage I have read in some time. Thanks for the laugh! But, um, your cleaning it up......
What's so funny about history?

Abraham lived in Naharain, this was ruled by the Mitanni and so was Canaan.

Abraham gets a grave from the Hittites (Khatti) who had a treaty with the Mitanni (in which the name of Mitra is first used).

Mitanni ruled Canaan and Naharain -- so who was the King of Canaan? Mitanni kings.

Who was the King of Canaan? Melchizedek - meaning the king of righteousness.

This really explains the use of Sanskrit words in the Bible.

Sanskrit numbers are found in the Mitanni texts, including the word used for One -- Aika.

The Hebrew Bible uses Ekad.

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#42 Dec 26, 2008
Wayne wrote:
http://www.thedevineevidence.c om/pagan_copycat_mithras.html
TWELVE DISCIPLES Mithras did not have twelve disciples, but I can relate a
far-fetched similarity to this allegation. In two of the reliefs to the left, Mithras is
surrounded by the twelve signs of the zodiac. Claiming Mithras had twelve disciples
because there are twelve signs of the zodiac is the connection critics try to make.
The critics simply see twelve beings and claim the figures are disciples. Some go as
far to defend their position by mimicking Franz Cumont's theory, claiming the figures
were actually Mithras' twelve disciples dressed up in zodiac costumes! How they
can make this connection is unknown as no inscriptions accompany the original
reliefs.
GREAT TEACHER I can find no mention in any text or relief showing Mithras to be a
traveling teacher. Regardless, it would hardly seem significant as many legends
speak of mankind receiving wisdom from their gods.
ATONEMENT OF SIN The claim regarding Mithras atoning for sin leads me to as the question, how? There is no
mention of this in any record. Mithras does sacrifice a sacred bull to create life but I see no reference to the
atoning of sin, the atoning of sin through blood, or Mithras atoning for sin. Some try to merge the bull and Mithras
into one being but this concept is unanimously rejected by Mithras scholars.
LAST SUPPER There are two reliefs which show Mithras celebrating a banquet. The first relief shows Mithras and
Helios dining together after the sacrifice of the bull. The other depicts Mithras dining with the sun before
ascending into paradise with the other gods. But for some reason the tale becomes distorted with Mithras saying
to his (imaginary) disciples, "He who shall not eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with
me and I with him, shall not be saved." Yet this quote was added centuries later during the middle ages and is
not even attributed to Mithras!
CRUCIFIXION Though critics claim Mithras was crucified, there is no mention of this in the reliefs or texts. In fact
no death is associated with Mithras, nevertheless crucifixion. We are told he completes his earthly mission then is
taken to paradise in a chariot- alive and well.
SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY This appears to be correct, at least for Roman Mithraism. But considering almost
every religion used Saturday or Sunday as a holy day, there was a 50/50 chance of this hitting the target- or at
least a 1/7 chance for the number of days in a week. Christians selected Sunday as their holy day only because
it was the day of Christ's resurrection.
Ha, now you're copying and pasting lies from Christian propaganda site, thanks for the laugh.

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And we all know how you Christians will lie to maintain your arrogance. Too damn funny.

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#43 Dec 26, 2008
Hello:

Thanks for the story of Mithras. I always enjoy hearing it at Mithrasmas.

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#44 Dec 26, 2008
Wayne wrote:
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Excuse me? Do you EVEN know what you are talking about? No? I didn't think so.
The question is do you know what you were talking about when talking about the pagans? Admittedly, your claim was rather vague, but I have heard the claim I attributed to your post. Why not explain yourself better rather than just getting your knickers in a twist.

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#45 Dec 26, 2008
Wayne wrote:
http://www.th edevineevidence.c om/pagan_copycat_mithras.html
TWELVE DISCIPLES Mithras did not have twelve disciples, but I can relate a
far-fetched similarity to this allegation. In two of the reliefs to the left, Mithras is
surrounded by the twelve signs of the zodiac. Claiming Mithras had twelve disciples
because there are twelve signs of the zodiac is the connection critics try to make.
The critics simply see twelve beings and claim the figures are disciples.
And yet the 3 out of the 4 writers of the gospels are associated with animals,i.e., John, the eagle; Mark, the lion; Luke, the ox.

“Question everything.”

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#46 Dec 26, 2008
"...no death is associated with Mithras, nevertheless crucifixion. We are told he completes his earthly mission then is
taken to paradise in a chariot- alive and well."

Just as Jesus ascended magically into heaven. Just like Mohammad and Krishna.

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