Bible God Jesus vs. Pagan Osiris vs. Persian Mithra

Posted in the Christian Forum

First Prev
of 19
Next Last
salman

Dhaka, Bangladesh

#1 Dec 24, 2008
DECEMBER 25.

Osiris's "son" or renewed incarnation, Horus, shares the following in common with Jesus:

--Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Merion December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
--His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph").
--He was of royal descent.
--At at 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized having disappeared for 18 years.
--Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" ("John the Baptist"), who was decapitated.
--He had 12 desciples, two of who were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns").
--He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus ("El-Osiris" Lazarus in latin), from the dead.
--Horus walked on water.
--His personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." He was thus called "Holy Child."
--He delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."
--Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
--He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.
--He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "God's Anointed Son," "the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.
--He was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Ichthys"), Lamb and Lion.
--He came to fulfill the Law.
--Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One."

MITHRA OF PERSIA

--Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25 in a cave, and his birth was attended by shepherds bearing gifts.
--He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
--He had 12 companions or disciples.
--Mithra's followers were promised immortality.
--He performed miracles.
--As the "great bull of the Sun," Mithra sacrificed himself for world peace.
--He was buried in a tomb and after three days rose again.
--His resurrection was celebrated every year.
--He was called "the Good Shepherd" and identified with both the Lamb and the Lion.
--He was considered the "Way, the Truth and the Light," and the "Logos," [Word] "Redeemer," "Savior" and "Messiah."
--His sacred day was Sunday, the "Lord's Day," hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.
--Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter.
--His religion had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper," at which Mithra said, "He who shall nto eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved."
--"His annual sacrifice is the Passover of the Magi, a symbolical atonement of pledge of moral and physical regeneration."
Furthermore, the Vatican itself is built upon the papacy of Mithra, and the Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version it replaced ...

... Virtually all of the elements of the Catholic ritual, from miter to wafer to altar to doxology, are directly taken from earlier Pagan mystery religions.

EXTRACTS FROM: "The greatest story ever sold" by Acharya S.(Adventures Unlimited 1999) pp 107-123.
Wayne

San Francisco, CA

#2 Dec 24, 2008
Well,,, IF Christ was born on Dec. 25th you might have something there. But He wasn't.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#3 Dec 24, 2008
"Bible God Jesus vs. Pagan Osiris vs. Persian Mithra"

"Bible God Jesus" wins in .00004 seconds by KO.
salman

Dhaka, Bangladesh

#4 Dec 24, 2008
Wayne wrote:
Well,,, IF Christ was born on Dec. 25th you might have something there. But He wasn't.
then what u r celibrating on december 25th. is it the birth day of horus or mithra ?

Ok lets for example i m taking your argument 4 granted jesus was nt born at dec 2th. What about all other common similarities ???

Can you deny this fact that all the early bible writer took all the early pagan characters to made up the mythical story abt jesus.

This conclusion become more stronger when we see that none of bible story writer ever meet jesus n all the story was written 40-100 years later. 1 can easily imagine to what extant at those time story could be changed from 1 to another.

But still at last this is your bible , word of god.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#5 Dec 24, 2008
Wayne wrote:
Well,,, IF Christ was born on Dec. 25th you might have something there. But He wasn't.
Indeed!
salman

Dhaka, Bangladesh

#6 Dec 24, 2008
Kerdy 1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed!
whos birthday u r celibating on december 25th if it is not of jesus???

Is it of mithra's or of horus or any of the other pagan gods ,as many pagan gods birth day is on december 25th?

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#7 Dec 24, 2008
salman wrote:
<quoted text>
whos birthday u r celibating on december 25th if it is not of jesus???
Wayne wrote:
Well,,, IF Christ was born on Dec. 25th you might have something there. But He wasn't.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#8 Dec 24, 2008
All the same just god's made by man.

It like bugs bunny vs daffy duck vs road runner.

Okay, I confess road runner would win. He's got speed and brains.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#9 Dec 24, 2008
Jammercolo wrote:
All the same just god's made by man.
It like bugs bunny vs daffy duck vs road runner.
Okay, I confess road runner would win. He's got speed and brains.
Jammercolo wrote:
Me like you no way. Sure I may get off track from time to time but I don't play the little kid games like you two do.
Do I really need to say anything?
Hello

United States

#10 Dec 24, 2008
salman wrote:
DECEMBER 25.
Osiris's "son" or renewed incarnation, Horus, shares the following in common with Jesus:
--Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Merion December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
--His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph").
--He was of royal descent.
--At at 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized having disappeared for 18 years.
--Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" ("John the Baptist"), who was decapitated.
--He had 12 desciples, two of who were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns").
--He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus ("El-Osiris" Lazarus in latin), from the dead.
--Horus walked on water.
--His personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." He was thus called "Holy Child."
--He delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."
--Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
--He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.
--He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "God's Anointed Son," "the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.
--He was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Ichthys"), Lamb and Lion.
--He came to fulfill the Law.
--Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One."
MITHRA OF PERSIA
--Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25 in a cave, and his birth was attended by shepherds bearing gifts.
--He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
--He had 12 companions or disciples.
--Mithra's followers were promised immortality.
--He performed miracles.
--As the "great bull of the Sun," Mithra sacrificed himself for world peace.
--He was buried in a tomb and after three days rose again.
--His resurrection was celebrated every year.
--He was called "the Good Shepherd" and identified with both the Lamb and the Lion.
--He was considered the "Way, the Truth and the Light," and the "Logos," [Word] "Redeemer," "Savior" and "Messiah."
--His sacred day was Sunday, the "Lord's Day," hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.
--Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter.
--His religion had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper," at which Mithra said, "He who shall nto eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved."
--"His annual sacrifice is the Passover of the Magi, a symbolical atonement of pledge of moral and physical regeneration."
Furthermore, the Vatican itself is built upon the papacy of Mithra, and the Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version it replaced ...
... Virtually all of the elements of the Catholic ritual, from miter to wafer to altar to doxology, are directly taken from earlier Pagan mystery religions.
EXTRACTS FROM: "The greatest story ever sold" by Acharya S.(Adventures Unlimited 1999) pp 107-123.
That's nonsense -- you quote someone who didn't even quote actual scriptures.

Now this is scriptural basis:

http://threeroyalwarriors.tripod.com/jesusthe...
Wayne

San Francisco, CA

#11 Dec 24, 2008
salman wrote:
<quoted text>
then what u r celibrating on december 25th. is it the birth day of horus or mithra ?
Ok lets for example i m taking your argument 4 granted jesus was nt born at dec 2th. What about all other common similarities ???
Can you deny this fact that all the early bible writer took all the early pagan characters to made up the mythical story abt jesus.
This conclusion become more stronger when we see that none of bible story writer ever meet jesus n all the story was written 40-100 years later. 1 can easily imagine to what extant at those time story could be changed from 1 to another.
But still at last this is your bible , word of god.
Yes,, it can ALL be denied for the simple fact they have the SIMPLEST thing wrong,,,Jesus Christ WASN'T born on Dec. 25th. The pagans stole bits and pieces from the truth and scattered it in with their blasphemies and false gods. They were really not that original.
Wayne

San Francisco, CA

#12 Dec 24, 2008
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/pagan_copyca...

Mithras, not to be confused with Mitra (the warrior angel of ancient Persia), was the
head deity of Mithraism. Trying to piece together the actual legends relating to
Mithras is difficult as the earliest evidence relating to him is only found in artistic
reliefs- the original texts regarding Mithraism have long since been lost, leaving
behind only fragments. For this discussion, we will focus on Roman Mithraism as this
is the Mithras the critics claim as being the inspiration for Jesus (although this
allegation could easily be dismissed by showing most texts containing the alleged
connections postdate the Christian texts). Furthermore, Roman Mithraism surfaced
centuries after the existence of the Hebrew Messianic prophecies.

Note: The original authority on Mithraism was Franz Cumont who believed the Mitra
of ancient Persian and the Mithras of Mithraism were one and the same. Most of his
research was compiled in the 1800's and, because he was the first known scholar to
explore the dead religion of Mithraism, his research went undisputed for quite
awhile. If you look through early 20th century publications, one can see Cumont's
findings were accepted without debate. It was only upon later investigation by
differing historians and archaeologists that many of Cumont's theories were
disproved. To see what I am referring to, read this article from the 1911
Encyclopedia Britannica which is based on Cumont's theories as compared to more
modern research.

CAVE BIRTH As stated previously, there is no mention of Jesus being born in a cave
anywhere in the canonical Scriptures. As for Mithras, he also was not born in a cave
but from solid rock.

DECEMBER BIRTH Many religious festivals were consolidated into one holiday to
coincide with the winter solstice. Christmas is only celebrated on December 25th due
to this tradition. This argument already proves to be insignificant as there is nothing
in the Scriptures which mentions this date.

ATTENDED BY SHEPHERDS The earliest existing account of Mithras' birth is found
in a relief depicting him emerging from a rock with the assistance of men who
certainly appear to be shepherds (which is interesting considering his birth was
supposed to have preceded the creation of humans!). But this little tidbit was
added later, apparently by those who didn't notice the contradiction. Furthermore,
this relief dates to 4th century A.D.!

VIRGIN BIRTH There is no mention of a virgin birth in Mithraism. The earliest reliefs
depict a fully-mature Mithras emerging from a rock (as shown in three illustrations
to the left).
Wayne

San Francisco, CA

#13 Dec 24, 2008
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/pagan_copyca...

TWELVE DISCIPLES Mithras did not have twelve disciples, but I can relate a
far-fetched similarity to this allegation. In two of the reliefs to the left, Mithras is
surrounded by the twelve signs of the zodiac. Claiming Mithras had twelve disciples
because there are twelve signs of the zodiac is the connection critics try to make.
The critics simply see twelve beings and claim the figures are disciples. Some go as
far to defend their position by mimicking Franz Cumont's theory, claiming the figures
were actually Mithras' twelve disciples dressed up in zodiac costumes! How they
can make this connection is unknown as no inscriptions accompany the original
reliefs.

GREAT TEACHER I can find no mention in any text or relief showing Mithras to be a
traveling teacher. Regardless, it would hardly seem significant as many legends
speak of mankind receiving wisdom from their gods.

ATONEMENT OF SIN The claim regarding Mithras atoning for sin leads me to as the question, how? There is no
mention of this in any record. Mithras does sacrifice a sacred bull to create life but I see no reference to the
atoning of sin, the atoning of sin through blood, or Mithras atoning for sin. Some try to merge the bull and Mithras
into one being but this concept is unanimously rejected by Mithras scholars.

LAST SUPPER There are two reliefs which show Mithras celebrating a banquet. The first relief shows Mithras and
Helios dining together after the sacrifice of the bull. The other depicts Mithras dining with the sun before
ascending into paradise with the other gods. But for some reason the tale becomes distorted with Mithras saying
to his (imaginary) disciples, "He who shall not eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with
me and I with him, shall not be saved." Yet this quote was added centuries later during the middle ages and is
not even attributed to Mithras!

CRUCIFIXION Though critics claim Mithras was crucified, there is no mention of this in the reliefs or texts. In fact
no death is associated with Mithras, nevertheless crucifixion. We are told he completes his earthly mission then is
taken to paradise in a chariot- alive and well.

SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY This appears to be correct, at least for Roman Mithraism. But considering almost
every religion used Saturday or Sunday as a holy day, there was a 50/50 chance of this hitting the target- or at
least a 1/7 chance for the number of days in a week. Christians selected Sunday as their holy day only because
it was the day of Christ's resurrection.
Wayne

San Francisco, CA

#14 Dec 24, 2008
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/pagan_copyca...

SIMILAR TITLES I did find some similarities but the claims critics make seem to be manipulated from their
original form- there were no exact matches to the names critics list. I also listed other titles that are often cited
but prove to be incorrect:

* Savior, Redeemer, Messiah. Mithras is never referred to any of these. Why would he be since he never
served such a purpose? Messiah is also a Hebrew word which makes one wonder what the source is for
this allegation.
* Lamb of God, Good Shepherd. Skeptics try to use the depiction of Mithras holding the sacrificed bull over
his shoulders as evidence but this is absurd as the bull is slaughtered! Furthermore, the Old Testament
references lambs and shepherds long before Mithraism ever surfaced.
* Son of God. I didn't technically find this but I'll give it as a freebie if you consider Mithras as the son of
Ahura Mazda.
* The Way Truth and Light, Light of the World. Though the names are not an exact match I did find warrior
angel of light but this is associated with the Iranian Mithras- not the Roman Mithras of Mithraism.
* Lion. Again, not an exact match but I did find an association to sky/celestial lion, referring to the sign of
Leo. But like the reference to lambs, the Old Testament mentions the Lion of Judah long before Mithraism
ever originated.
* The Living Word. Mithras is sometimes called logos which means word but never as the living word.
* Mediator. Mithras was the mediator between good and evil whereas Jesus is the mediator between God
and man.

THEOLOGICAL COMPARISONS I consolidated the similarities that come standard in most religions into one
section. For lack of a better title, we'll call this our stating the obvious list:

1. Mithraism had a strong sense of community among its members (only men were allowed to be members,
by the way)
2. Mithraism taught the immortality of the human soul (so did Judaism which preceded Mithraism)
3. Mithraism placed emphasis on living an ethical and moral life (so did Judaism which preceded Mithraism)
4. Mithraism believed in the concept of good verses evil (so did Judaism which preceded Mithraism)
5. Mithraism taught all life sprouted from god(s)(so did Judaism which preceded Mithraism)
6. Mithras performed miraculous deeds
7. Mithraism taught the eventual destruction of the earth

ERRONEOUS SIMILARITIES The following miscellaneous similarities exist neither in the ancient reliefs of
Mithras or in any version of the surviving texts:

1. Mithras began his ministry at the age of 30 (no reference to any age is mentioned).
2. Mithras was buried in a tomb (Alive, I suppose?). The only reference I could find to this was every year
during the winter solstice, he was supposedly reborn out of a rock (but this tale was added later).
3. A Holy Trinity (Even with all sorts of new gods becoming associated with Mithraism over time, I can find no
mention of any gods forming a specific trinity).

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#15 Dec 24, 2008
Wayne wrote:
http://www.thedevineevidence.c om/pagan_copycat_mithras.html
SIMILAR TITLES I did find some similarities but the claims critics make seem to be manipulated from their
original form- there were no exact matches to the names critics list. I also listed other titles that are often cited
but prove to be incorrect:
* Savior, Redeemer, Messiah. Mithras is never referred to any of these. Why would he be since he never
served such a purpose? Messiah is also a Hebrew word which makes one wonder what the source is for
this allegation.
* Lamb of God, Good Shepherd. Skeptics try to use the depiction of Mithras holding the sacrificed bull over
his shoulders as evidence but this is absurd as the bull is slaughtered! Furthermore, the Old Testament
references lambs and shepherds long before Mithraism ever surfaced.
* Son of God. I didn't technically find this but I'll give it as a freebie if you consider Mithras as the son of
Ahura Mazda.
* The Way Truth and Light, Light of the World. Though the names are not an exact match I did find warrior
angel of light but this is associated with the Iranian Mithras- not the Roman Mithras of Mithraism.
* Lion. Again, not an exact match but I did find an association to sky/celestial lion, referring to the sign of
Leo. But like the reference to lambs, the Old Testament mentions the Lion of Judah long before Mithraism
ever originated.
* The Living Word. Mithras is sometimes called logos which means word but never as the living word.
* Mediator. Mithras was the mediator between good and evil whereas Jesus is the mediator between God
and man.
THEOLOGICAL COMPARISONS I consolidated the similarities that come standard in most religions into one
section. For lack of a better title, we'll call this our stating the obvious list:
1. Mithraism had a strong sense of community among its members (only men were allowed to be members,
by the way)
2. Mithraism taught the immortality of the human soul (so did Judaism which preceded Mithraism)
3. Mithraism placed emphasis on living an ethical and moral life (so did Judaism which preceded Mithraism)
4. Mithraism believed in the concept of good verses evil (so did Judaism which preceded Mithraism)
5. Mithraism taught all life sprouted from god(s)(so did Judaism which preceded Mithraism)
6. Mithras performed miraculous deeds
7. Mithraism taught the eventual destruction of the earth
ERRONEOUS SIMILARITIES The following miscellaneous similarities exist neither in the ancient reliefs of
Mithras or in any version of the surviving texts:
1. Mithras began his ministry at the age of 30 (no reference to any age is mentioned).
2. Mithras was buried in a tomb (Alive, I suppose?). The only reference I could find to this was every year
during the winter solstice, he was supposedly reborn out of a rock (but this tale was added later).
3. A Holy Trinity (Even with all sorts of new gods becoming associated with Mithraism over time, I can find no
mention of any gods forming a specific trinity).
Great find! Thanks!

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#16 Dec 24, 2008

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#17 Dec 24, 2008
Pray to Zeus

Bradenton, FL

#18 Dec 24, 2008
Kerdy 1 wrote:
"Bible God Jesus vs. Pagan Osiris vs. Persian Mithra"
"Bible God Jesus" wins in .00004 seconds by KO.
How so? They seem like the same story to me, except that Horus and Mythras came thousands of years earlier than your precious Jesus, which is nothing but a copy-cat of earlier religious beliefs. Why are you so closed minded to facts?
Pray to Zeus

Bradenton, FL

#19 Dec 24, 2008
Wayne wrote:
Well,,, IF Christ was born on Dec. 25th you might have something there. But He wasn't.
December is the special birthdate for many god-men including Jesus. Of course Jesus wasn't really born on Dec 25 -- mythological gods never actually are born on any date, and that includes you-know-why!
Pray to Zeus

Bradenton, FL

#20 Dec 24, 2008
Hello wrote:
<quoted text>
That's nonsense -- you quote someone who didn't even quote actual scriptures.
Now this is scriptural basis:
http://threeroyalwarriors.tripod.com/jesusthe...
Funny how you confuse facts for nonsense and nonsense for facts. ROFLMHO

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 19
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Christian Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Is the Bible always literally true or correct? 9 min The_Box 3,193
who was god growing the apples for (Jul '08) 2 hr NDanger 203
Was Paul a False Apostle? (May '08) 4 hr Barnsweb 2,208
Ministers' mixed messages on freedom and rights 4 hr Ol Fuddy Duddy 2
Who stole the keys to Heaven? 4 hr purplelady1040 605
"God wanted women in the home in this time" 4 hr Ol Fuddy Duddy 19
=====I DO GREATER THINGS than JESUS ===== (Sep '13) 4 hr hmmmmm 6

Christian People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE