How I Get Rid of God

[Kerdy 1]

Atheist wrote:

Hello
Kerdy...
It's not that you don't have to prove God,, it's that you are Unable to prove god..
There is the Difference...
You Lose by Default because you are Unable to Support your Claim...
First,, we knock the cornerstones out from under it,, then we work on the structure itself!
Bit by Bit, it starts to Crumble...
Atheist

If that is what makes you feel better, then keep believing it.

[Atheist]

Hello

Kerdy..

Well those are the facts are they not ?
You are unable to make your claim,, or you would have a long time ago...

You want me to show facts,, however you never have..
What else do you want me to think...

It's the same old Christian dance around the issues, because you have nothing but faith to go on...

Atheist

[Kerdy 1]

Atheist wrote:

Hello
Kerdy..
Well those are the facts are they not ?
You are unable to make your claim,, or you would have a long time ago...
You want me to show facts,, however you never have..
What else do you want me to think...
It's the same old Christian dance around the issues, because you have nothing but faith to go on...
Atheist

I have produced loads of evidence on may threads over many months as have many people. You simply dismiss it all and ignore the facts because you dont want them to be real. So, why waste my time on you any longer with supplying them again.

Also, evolution was claimed to be accurate and so far many, many people have proven it to be only a best guess. They disproved the theory. Someone disproved the idea of spontaneous generation. People disprove things all the time. Why cant you disprove the existance of God? If you are right, it should be really easy.

[Atheist]

Hello

Kerdy...

"I have produced loads of evidence on may threads over many months as have many people."

Yes,, you have,,as have other people..

However all of your evidence,, or at least most of it is from the bible itself,, Which is what is in question...

The history of the bible is different for you and I..
You believe it to be the word of "god". I believe it to be manmade and plagiarized, which happens to be well known...

"Also, evolution was claimed to be accurate and so far many, many people have proven it to be only a best guess."

Of course it is a best guess.. If it were not,, we wouldn't be sitting here discussing it..
It's known by most the Evo is a Best guess, which doesn't disqualify it BTW...

"They disproved the theory."

no,, only the Christians have disproved it.. To Mainstream Science it still rings true and is Accepted world wide as fact.

"Why cant you disprove the existance of God?"

How can you disprove something that isn't there.. "God" is a Thought process and nothing more...

However knowing the history of humans and "Gods" we conclude that the Christian "god" is no different...

" If you are right, it should be really easy."

It is Really easy Kerdy..

Do you believe in Thor ??

If no,, then Why not ??

Same difference...

You are nearly an Atheist yourself.. I merely take it one God further than you..

Atheist

[Kerdy 1]

Atheist wrote:

Hello
Kerdy...
"I have produced loads of evidence on may threads over many months as have many people."
Yes,, you have,,as have other people..
However all of your evidence,, or at least most of it is from the bible itself,, Which is what is in question...
The history of the bible is different for you and I..
You believe it to be the word of "god". I believe it to be manmade and plagiarized, which happens to be well known...
"Also, evolution was claimed to be accurate and so far many, many people have proven it to be only a best guess."
Of course it is a best guess.. If it were not,, we wouldn't be sitting here discussing it..
It's known by most the Evo is a Best guess, which doesn't disqualify it BTW...
"They disproved the theory."
no,, only the Christians have disproved it.. To Mainstream Science it still rings true and is Accepted world wide as fact.
"Why cant you disprove the existance of God?"
How can you disprove something that isn't there.. "God" is a Thought process and nothing more...
However knowing the history of humans and "Gods" we conclude that the Christian "god" is no different...
" If you are right, it should be really easy."
It is Really easy Kerdy..
Do you believe in Thor ??
If no,, then Why not ??
Same difference...
You are nearly an Atheist yourself.. I merely take it one God further than you..
Atheist

So, why not do this. I say evolution is a best guess and you say Christianity is a best guess. Neither has concrete proof of its validity to show a disbeliever it is 100% accurate (faith in Christianity is required and also for evolution) and neither can be completely 100% disproven either. Why dont we just simply agree to this and respect each others opinion instead of attacking the other persons beliefs with childish comments. Yes, I can admit I have done this also. In otherwords, we may disagree with one another, but respect the other as a person. An intelligent person who simply believes in something different.

Listen, I have said before that I would jump on the evolution bandwagon if there was something concrete. There isnt. That is why I stopped studying the subject years ago and started looking for truth. I have found that truth in Christianity. I believe it with every bit of my soul. If I am wrong, I have lost nothing and gained comfort and compassion. If I am right, I have gained everything. Either way, I have come out on top.

I know you are not stupid and I know you have thought these things out. I wished, for your own sake, that you believed as I do. You dont. Perhaps one day you will, perhaps not. All I am saying is if you look at Christianity and its message without all the crap people put into it, there is a wonderful message to be learned. If that is the case, then why discourage others from learning that message and why attack the message. Because some people screw it up for themselves? It isnt about others, its about your own personal journey. If that makes sense to someone, where is the harm? No one is forcing anyone in America or Canada to become Christians. Yes, there are liars and bad Christians out there, but that doesnt mean they all are.

I will get off my soap box. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.

[Taranis]

Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

[Atheist]

Hello
Kerdy...
"So, why not do this. I say evolution is a best guess and you say Christianity is a best guess. "
I've got a better idea...
Why not you say "I believe in God" and I'll say " I don't believe in God"
You believe what you want to believe,, and I'll believe what I want to believe...
"Why dont we just simply agree to this and respect each others opinion instead of attacking the other persons beliefs with childish comments. "
That's fine on an individual basis..However the problem starts when either side, starts making public policy that effects the other..
For instance,, you want to see Christianity and Creation taught in schools...
Whereas I believe that religion doesn't belong in public schools...
You don't want Homos to be able to marry,, whereas I think , what the Hell,, let them live their lives the ways they see fit..
You fight for the rights you believe you have and I fight for the rights I believe Everyone should have...
It's pointless even discussing Anything,, because it Always turns into a flame war,, you don't budge,, and I refuse to budge any further...
"Yes, I can admit I have done this also. In otherwords, we may disagree with one another, but respect the other as a person."
Yes,, true,, that would be the preferred outcome.
"Listen, I have said before that I would jump on the evolution bandwagon if there was something concrete."
I've said Exactly the same thing about "god"
" There isnt."
I feel Exactly the same way...
See for every point you have,, or every point I have there is an equal counterpoint to be made...
" That is why I stopped studying the subject years ago and started looking for truth."
And for ther same reason I Never believed in "god"
However the truth is different for different people.. Your truth is not my truth, and visa versa.
" I have found that truth in Christianity. I believe it with every bit of my soul."
As have I in Atheism...
" If I am wrong, I have lost nothing and gained comfort and compassion. If I am right, I have gained everything. Either way, I have come out on top."
Pascals Wager...
"I know you are not stupid and I know you have thought these things out."
Yes I have thought this out very much.. I cannot force myself to believe in something that I see no evidence for...
" I wished, for your own sake, that you believed as I do."
See,, you are feeling morally superior to me already...
Why not say,, Believe what you like, thats fine with me..
However no,, you have to add "for your own sake" as if you know what is better for my life than I do... This is the crux of the problem in a nutshell Kerdy..
" You dont."
Your right I don't,, and no amount of trying to convince me will make me...
" Perhaps one day you will, perhaps not."
Unless something Really spectacular happens,, I won't.. However I'am willing to change my mind id that evidence presents itself.. I won't search for it though...
" All I am saying is if you look at Christianity and its message without all the crap people put into it, there is a wonderful message to be learned."
I already believe that Christ walked the earth, and was a good man..
That's not in dispute..
What is,, is the Superhero qualities and the supernatural..
Sorry,, but that sets off the BS meter and red lines the needle for me...
" If that is the case, then why discourage others from learning that message and why attack the message."
The discouraging others is a direct result of having Christianity in our face ALL the time...

[Atheist]

"It isnt about others,"
Sure it's about others,, or why would you even care what someone believes.. Why should I curb what I have to say, while you go right along preaching about god to others.. You want it a one way street,, and I'm telling you it's a 2 way street...
If you get to preach about God and why others should believe,, then I should have the oppertunity to tell them Why the Shouldn't...
" its about your own personal journey."
No,, it Should be about your own personal journey,, but it's not...
" If that makes sense to someone, where is the harm?"
The harm is,, when you get to say your side of the story,, and I'm muted from saying mine...
That is the harm...
" No one is forcing anyone in America or Canada to become Christians."
Not forcing,, but it's in your face All the Time
Of course there are good Christians,, theres good people of all beliefs..
But if you listen to what the Christians have to say about Atheists,, thats another topic altogether...
Thanks
Atheist

[Divine Alien]

Hai Atheist, there are really lots of cracks to do with such a long thought. You really mean a serious business here.

[Atheist]

Hello

DA..

I've read you message,, and reread it,,and still don't understand what you are trying to say..

Explain please

Atheist

[Divine Alien]

Hai Atheist, you have a lot of ideas written in this thread as proven by your lengthy composition in your posts.

[Atheist]

Hello

DA..

Ahh Ok,, I Getcha..

Yaa I guess I do..

Are they good or bad ideas ??

Atheist

[Divine Alien]

If I say that they are all bad, I would be lying and accused of trying to be different from you. Yes, they contain both. It is really tedious to read long composition as I do not like reading lengthy thing.

[Atheist]

Hello

DA..

I can live with that..

Yaa well sometimes things need to be talked out..

I lay them out so they are an easy read,, however this Cheap Ass software Topix use,, mashes everything together, which makes it hard to read...

Atheist

[PROV1X81]

Atheist wrote:

"It isnt about others,"
Sure it's about others,, or why would you even care what someone believes.. Why should I curb what I have to say, while you go right along preaching about god to others.. You want it a one way street,, and I'm telling you it's a 2 way street...
If you get to preach about God and why others should believe,, then I should have the oppertunity to tell them Why the Shouldn't...
" its about your own personal journey."
No,, it Should be about your own personal journey,, but it's not...
" If that makes sense to someone, where is the harm?"
The harm is,, when you get to say your side of the story,, and I'm muted from saying mine...
That is the harm...
" No one is forcing anyone in America or Canada to become Christians."
Not forcing,, but it's in your face All the Time
Of course there are good Christians,, theres good people of all beliefs..
But if you listen to what the Christians have to say about Atheists,, thats another topic altogether...
Thanks
Atheist

AMEN!

[Atheist]

Prov..

Thanks..

I prefer

RAmen...

:)

Atheist

[christi]

Count yourself fortunate that God has chosen to bless you. I will tell you firsthand that when God removes His hand from you, it is hell. Seek Him first and cause Him to be the center of your life. Read the book "Lost Boy" by Greg Laurie and try to get the DVD of it. God wants to use you. Allow Him to do it before it's too late. If you yield to Him, you will be blessed beyond your dreams. Because there is no greater blessing than a relationship with the Alimighty God.

[toady]

Kerdy 1 wrote:

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No, you cant. You can pretend He isnt there, but He is regardless.

YES!

Kerdy is a true JeSuS LuVer!!!!

[aWitchintheWoods]

christi wrote:

Count yourself fortunate that God has chosen to bless you. I will tell you firsthand that when God removes His hand from you, it is hell. Seek Him first and cause Him to be the center of your life. Read the book "Lost Boy" by Greg Laurie and try to get the DVD of it. God wants to use you. Allow Him to do it before it's too late. If you yield to Him, you will be blessed beyond your dreams. Because there is no greater blessing than a relationship with the Alimighty God.

No thanks.
Not into "being used."
But hey, if it works for you......

[aWitchintheWoods]

Heheheheeeee....
"spam, clueless, nuts"
Funny.
;)