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1. I think the fact that atheists try to stake the sole claim to reason and logic is absurd. If you really use reason and logic you will realise that it is just plain common sense that God exists. If there is no God then a person's life means nothing. There would be no point to existence. You would be nothing more than a chemical reaction here one day and gone the next. One day you will die and eventually everyone who knew you will die and so on. No one will remember you and no one will care who you were or what you did in life. Everything you went through in life was for nothing. Enduring through the hard times. Loving another human being. All of your hopes and dreams. In the end none of it mattered. You did it for no reason at all.

2. And if there was no God then there would be no morality. No morality then no law. All is permited. But we do have morals and we do have the law. That shows that we know right from wrong. But if there was no God then there would be no such thing as right and wrong. No good or evil. But good and evil exist so God must exist.
And why is there structure and order in the universe if there is no God that designed it that way? The fragile balance to life on earth. The food chain. The way the planets orbit the sun. The fact that our planet is in just the right position to support life. I refuse to attribute it to luck and chance. There is just no way.

3. It is just too big to be coincidence.

4. If there is no God then we are not held accountable for our actions during life. That would mean people like Hitler and Stalin got off scot free. And what about the miracles that happen every day? A baby being picked up by a tornado miles in the air and thrown,smacking into the ground and lives. People focus so much on the bad things and use them to deny God but nobody wants to look at the good that happens.

5. I don't know. These are all just a few examples. There is so much more I could say but I think if people really want to know then they will find out for themselves.
Lets fast forward to #5, and say you should have started and stopped here. "I dont know." Says it all. You do NOT KNOW. You rely on others telling you that A=Y and Z=D, etc, etc...

That God has been the default answer for the "How did we get here, and now what do we do?" sorts of questions - does not in any manner prove the claims. Never has, never will.

After 2-5K years of these claims being made by a thousand different Religions - its time for real and absolute proof. I want proof before staking a claim to any particular God, or system of worship.

1. I don't pretend to own logic and reason. I just try real hard not to break the rules. Whereas Religion - and in this case Xtianity - breaks them all the time and has admitted to it many times thru its history if you closely read their commentaries.

Everything I go thru IN LIFE is FOR LIFE. Not for death, not for anything but this LIFE. That YOU choose to focus on serving some unproved and abstract after-life - basically death - is your prerogative. I choose to live my LIFE for the LIFE I have.

My love for my family is not about anyone else but me and them. No one else matters in that equation. Why should anyone, anything outside of that be important?

2 and 4. Same things. And I answer both with a resounding NO!

Q; is something good/bad because your God says so, or because its good/bad outside his say so?

Miracles schmiracles. Prove that to! What about the people that didnt survive your storm scenario? The babies that get torn from a parents arms to only be splattered someplace...?

3. Whats a coincidence? That everything is in a state of constant decay?
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Valerian777 wrote:
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This is too weird! I have never been accused of being someone else before. If someone changes their name on a forum for the purpose of deceiving others then that person officially has no life. But rather than writing you off as delusional I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Apparently you have experienced someone changing their screen name and trying to trick people? I really could care less that you are not convinced. Who are you? I don't know you and you definitely don't know the first thing about me. You don't know where I have been or what I have been through or what I'm about. I don't know what else to tell you other than look at my profile or something. I'm not who you think I am.
Well,perhaps you protest too much...?

Get over it. If you're not Jeff, fine. Just move on...dont beat the dead horse.
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John from Texas wrote:
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I don't think you are Jeff.
I think there is an invisible but spiritually tangible connection to all things.

1. That could be what God is, but because the nature of God is really incomprehensible for the human mind, it is just a concept.

We should believe what makes us more compassionate and caring people. Our connection the that Great Spirit is an individual one. No belief is necessarily better than the other.
If it works go for it, just don't stop searching for one's "right" way.
My best guess so far is that God is All and All is God. The Universe is one big organism of which we are all part. I could be wrong though. I don't believe in that Christian belief in heaven and hell. They are in the here and now depending on how one lives their life.
You write better than Jeff in my opinion.
Yo John.

1. Why must God be incomprehensible? Isnt that just Organized Religion Speak and one of their default answers whenever the questions get too hard for them answer? "Oh...well God is too much to understand...most especially for you Mr. Skeptic, Mr. I have a lot of Questions! He's too hard to comprehend."

Which of course is usually followed by them telling you/others what he wants, what he's thinking and how he will act...that they have figured out...

The God Concept is a construct of the human mind, and as such is well within the boundaries of our understanding it, them...all of them.
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I think it all boils down to how someone views the world.

1. Evolutionist and creationist scientists actually have the same pieces of evidence.

2. There is no lack of evidence for either side.

It is just that evidence has to be interpreted and we interpret that evidence based on our world views. And it isn't that creationists deny evolution. We just deny macro evolution.

The whole molecules to man thing. A grizzly bear and a polar bear have evolved or adapted to their individual environments. They are different but of the same kind.

3. They are still bears and will never become anything other than a bear.

That is micro evolution and the fossil record is full of examples for it. But where are the examples of micro evolution? Where is the transitional form of an ape evolving into a man? The missing link people talk about. And reptiles evolving into birds? There aren't any examples of this ever happening and the ones that have popped up later turned out to be hoaxes. And even if macro evolution was true why does that disprove God? Why would that mean he doesn't exist? That is all I'm going to say on evolution because it isn't my area of expertise. That is just my opinion on it.

My world view isn't based on religion. I think you have some misunderstandings about christianity.

4. True christianity isn't about religion it is about living your life according to the example of Jesus Christ. It's about atonement and service to God not rituals and trinkets. And it isn't based on blind faith. It is based on biblical fact. The bible really is true. It's history and prophecies have already been proven to be true and those who say otherwise just don't know any better. Anyone can find out for themselves if they really want to know.

5. I think atheists write the bible off as a book of myths because you aren't thinking outside the box. You are only reading what is on the surface instead of looking deeper into it. When you read about the serpent tempting eve in the garden you see a myth about a talking snake tricking eve into eating a majic fruit. But what it really is is the story about the beginning of man's rebellion against God and how sin and suffering entered the world. The serpent is symbolic of a trickster. A deciever. The devil lucifer. The fruit was not a majic fruit. It was the act of disobediance to God. Man was told to not be a partaker in this fruit of "knowlege of good and evil." It was forbidden knowlege we weren't supposed to have. At least that is how I interpret it.
1. Not really. Creationists have no evidence - only claims. To which they seek to bend scientific evidence to their own ends. Trouble is no matter how much they bend it the ends never meet.

2. Yeah there is. Creationists have no actual evidence. They have an answer which they then seek to support - by any means they can. Whereas science has questions that they wish to answer, and then work to answer. No matter where it takes them. Many a scientist has had a premise for something and the evidence had taken them no where near that first idea - and that's okay. Creationists don't like it when things dont go their way and will - as we know from the historical record - ignore the reality based path and steer things back on their non-reality path.

3. Well what about the polar bears now? What if they lose their environments and they dont all die off...they might evolve to adapt. We dont truly know, mostly because we've killed off so much of their population to make any real chances for them to change/adapt be viable.

You hinge your argument on something that might never be found due to the way the planet is constantly changing the surface. Things are buried, and may never be found considering how much of the planet is covered in water. Hell, they just found a mammoth tooth off the New England coast where it was believed no such creatures had lived.

4. False.

5. No. Not true.
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Valerian777 wrote:
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1. I think atheists write the bible off as a book of myths because you aren't thinking outside the box.

2. You are only reading what is on the surface instead of looking deeper into it. When you read about the serpent tempting eve in the garden you see a myth about a talking snake tricking eve into eating a majic fruit.

3. But what it really is is the story about the beginning of man's rebellion against God and how sin and suffering entered the world. The serpent is symbolic of a trickster. A deciever. The devil lucifer. The fruit was not a majic fruit. It was the act of disobediance to God. Man was told to not be a partaker in this fruit of "knowlege of good and evil." It was forbidden knowlege we weren't supposed to have. At least that is how I interpret it.
1. Oh dont you worry about us atheists - we think waaaaaay outside the box. I dont uses boxes in my thinking. Its Xtians who think within the confines of a book, written a few thousand years ago. Where people living in "boxes", Churches - have been telling people what and how to think and believe about the Big Questions. Phooey!

2. No, you have no idea how much or how deeply anyone has read the Bible. I wont bore you and everyone else with my Bible study - as Ive said a few dozen times already - but I know the depth of it as well if not better than most Xtians I encounter in everyday life. In fact, I meet more Xtians who are clueless about most of it. Plus the theology and doctrines of their Religion...clueless!

3. Guess what? Nearly every Religion or system of supernatural beliefs has their trickster gods/demi-gods, etc. Why are they wrong? Why is your story the right one? Cause You believe it? Not good enough for me.

Are you aware that a huge percentage of American Xtians think the Creation story is not symbolic - but hard fact?

You are a heretic and apostate to them!

BTW, magic (m-a-G-i-c) fruit? ROFLMAO...and you/others wonder why so many people are skeptical, if not outright non-believers...magical fruit...I know about musical fruit, but no magical fruit. Fairytale stuff, like all the others.

Do me a favor, prove anything supernatural. Forget about trying to prove your God, just prove that there is supernatural anything...
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Valerian777 wrote:
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Did you even think about anything I said or were you just skimming through it waiting to give an automated response like a robot? Do you have your own reason for believing what you do or are you just going with the flow swallowing what the secular "intellectuals" feed you because they are in a position of authority? You owe it to yourself as a human being to find the truth. If you have come to your conclusions after heart felt searching and personal experience then so be it. You won't be convinced of anything else. But if you are only going with it because it was what was taught to you in school then I think that is unfortunate. No one single worldview should be presented to children in schools. People need to be allowed to decide for themselves what makes more sense to them and not be told what they must believe.

If creationism and intelligent design are not science then why are there scientists who believe in creation and intelligent design? Who gets to say what is science and what isn't? If it is a board of atheists then that is a form of fascism. If it was a board of creationists that too would be fascism. One group with the same worldview gets to have the monopoly on what is science? Science is about discovery and not about promoting one worldview and suppressing another. If this is what is going on then it needs to stop. I'm a militiaman. I know what is unconstitutional and it is unconstitutional to deny someone the right to be a scientist because he/she has a differing opinion from the majority.
There is no evidence for creation? That is all a matter of opinion. I see DNA and think there is no way that there isn't a higher intelligence behind it. The human body? Our brain? I see it as something forged. Something fashioned. Something meant to be the way it is and not the product of nothing.
Re-read your post, you're arguing against your own POV. WTF?

Lets focus on the first part. You're "listening" to a few thousand years of Priests, and Preachers, etc, telling people - under the power of the State, and their swords - what to believe, and when to do it, and if any stray thoughts are bad. Belief and thought control is the biggest legacy of Xtianity. Its all that truly mattered to Xtian-dom for a few thousand years - get people to think one way, and behave one way.

So now for approx 150 years the sciences have been working hard on Evolution Theory and all the many disciplines that support it - and admittedly not all the data is found, and not all the questions are fully answered. But so much has been found to make the Theory proven - scientifically.

But for approx 5K years, Religions have been making claims that not ONE of them has ever put one shred of evidence on any table - except that of FAITH (you do know what faith means?) that can be looked at by all rational people as Proof! Not one shred! A lot of claims for sure...but not one little bitty piece of proof.
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Feb 28, 2013
 
Yoo hoo...Hey Valerian...?! Whats up? Was this just another drive by..?

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