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It's a fulfilment of Ezekial's Prophecy...
The Jews don't believe Christ is the Messiah...
The Temple is for Israel/Jews...
This didnt answer my question though. What in the link negates the fact that there will be another temple according to Ezekiel where sacrifices would be offered?

Also, "jews" do not believe Jesus is the messiah because Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies the messiah was supposed to. Fair enough right?
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Can only answer for myself..I believe that until I came to Christ..I did not love others properly
I thought I loved others but it was based primarily on selfishness ...
When we look at the world and see people bombing other people and we see wars and strife and we see people suffering and dying...we see LOVE MISSING.
Some of us want to know why..and what can we do ?
So we reach a point where we PRAY..and ask God , what is going on..and to help us, because salvation by man is useless.
Its a surrender , as all LOVE demands.
Surrender of self...once we do that.. God takes over, and we personally see the benefits in our own life..we can be used by God to help others
And God sends us out with this message of reconciliation with him, through the blood of Christ ...as he is the source of all LOVE..and we were created originally to reflect this LOVE..but we have all fallen short of the glory of God.
I think it would have been a whole lot more effective if God sent you out with a few bottles of icy cold imported beer to give away. Nothing against the whole reconciliation message, but you need something more than the electricity companies if you don't want a door slammed in your face. Just sayin'. My door is always open to free booze.
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<quoted text>Wrong, but since you think that then it is you who has the need. There are over 7 billion people on this earth and many want to believe, so why should we care if you do. We have to get you out of the way, to get to the people who have been praying and yearning for God's message.
You are hear because you are afraid that someone who wants to hear will hear and you will be in hell alone. Well, rest assured, there are many who wish to join you.
Because Humans are prone to anxieties over the unknown. Thats why people believe in Gods and their myths. Some of us are not anxious, or anxious to die like so many Believers.

"Here" and "hear" and not interchangeable...
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1. I made a true statement about what atheists do and you came in to correct what didnt need correction. If you agree that what I said is true (that atheists push/force their beliefs on others) then why didnt you just come in and say that or ignore my post altogether?
2. That is perception. I dont mean to be condescending but others have not said the same. So I think that is YOU that perceives that. But as I said I do not mean it in that way.
And YES if you say something ridiculous to me I may laugh and ask you to explain or MYSELF give my perception of why what you said is ridiculous. Or I may not. It depends. And I dont go in on every post posting LOL after lol. I do it when something really makes me chuckle or smile.
1. because the numbers are minuscule compared to Xtians. We're the minority remember? While there might be a few vocal atheists out there irght now in no way compares to the number and power of Xtians. That's the point. A minority getting its voice heard is the point. A voice that Xtians have been and continue to try and squelch.

2. correct, my perception. As its my perception that posters who change their names over and over are trying to hide and trick others.

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Here is a good site for you to read....
http://www.truthnet.org/Endtimes/7/
Amen! Excellent link!
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1. ALL people react to challenges negatively. Heck, look at ATHEISTS that react negatively when christians CHALLENGE THEIR BELIEFS. That there is no god, no hell etc...

When christians come to them with the opposite they get mad at christians for forcing their beliefs on others. But now YOU are complaining about christians that do the same. WHY?
2. I have rarely seen christians do anything as far as protesting something lol. So as to why they do not protest a protest group you would have to ask them. With that said alot of christians do not agree with the WBC church dont you agree?
2. I have seen many xtian groups protesting soe thing, and its usually over the rights of others. ie abortion. Which I have no problem with xtians protesting against such things...its the way they tend to do it.

1. This seems to be a difficult point to explain with you. Not sure why...?

I agree there are offensive (as in first action) atheists who strike first and seek confrontation. They have that right to speak openly and if they so deem it loudly.

The issue is, Xtians in a general sense seem to believe no one has that right to push back against the Xtian political-social machinery in this nation. That no one can protest against a protesting Xtian group - that Xtians are exempt from protest.

That's the point. American Xtianity/Xtians has this idea that only they are allowed to express their opinions and beliefs in the public square. And when challenged the current reaction of them, the collective - is to whine they are being persecuted for their beliefs. Which is so far from reality to be laughable, if they didn't actually believe it so deeply.

Here's another angle. When Xtians "come at" non-believers - the trend has been, is usually that they come in attack mode. Its rare that they come quietly, and sincerely - its usually to accuse and attack and condemn the target to hell. And when the reverse is done they get all insulted and whine persecution.

Nearly every time I've been "come at" by a Xtian its been aggressively. Its rare to be approached by a Xtian who is passive and sincerely interested in a civil dialogue. And when you factor in how they then treat my children, as "those kids with no God" (actual quote) like they're felons...

I find it hard to comprehend how You and so many others actually don't understand why many, but by no means all, atheists, non-believers, etc, are becoming more vociferous in their expressing of their rights?

If you're going to come at me with a stick, guess what? I'm gonna take that stick from you and whack you over the head with it and send you home crying.

And that so many American Xtians and those like you who align to their cause - who cant understand the simplicity of this escapes me.

Are we any closer to you understanding this, and the differences?

Here's a good analogy. American Xtians want to play baseball, but they dont want my team to use bats to hit the ball. Only they get to use bats.
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What did I take out of context? I'm always encouraging people to read the Holy Bible in it's ENTIRETY. But I obviously can't quote entire chapters at a time in my posts, so I pick verses that are self explanatory and of straight forward sound biblical doctrine.
Every Christian ought to be reading through the ENTIRE Bible multiple times a year, at the very least.
And "atheists" should read it too instead of just copy/pasting their "bible knowledge" from anti-Christian trash sites. But then again, the so-called atheists are scared to read it because the Word of God convicts them of their sins.........it's not just a book, the Holy Bible is the inspired, inerrant, infallible Word of the living God.
Ive already read it over a dozen times. No need to keep reading it. Its not that interesting...and its not inerrant, nor infallible. And certainly not the work of a Super being.

Im not scared of much...least of all the accusations of Xtians who lack any actual Jesus in their beliefs. Like you!

You use scripture like a Pharisee, as a weapon.
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Bring it...The OT Solidifies the NT...
Hey, I'm still waiting for that list of rights Xtians have been losing...?

Where is it?

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Hey, I'm still waiting for that list of rights Xtians have been losing...?
Where is it?
They lost the right to tie someone that believes different from them to a pole and set them on fire.
http://furiouspurpose.me/wp-content/uploads/2...
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1. because the numbers are minuscule compared to Xtians. We're the minority remember? While there might be a few vocal atheists out there irght now in no way compares to the number and power of Xtians. That's the point. A minority getting its voice heard is the point. A voice that Xtians have been and continue to try and squelch.
2. correct, my perception. As its my perception that posters who change their names over and over are trying to hide and trick others.
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1. Just as its the MINORITY of christianity that tries to force their beliefs on others. See how we can keep this going?

2. Well since I do not change my name over and over I guess I have nothing to worry about right?
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2. I have seen many xtian groups protesting soe thing, and its usually over the rights of others. ie abortion. Which I have no problem with xtians protesting against such things...its the way they tend to do it.
1. This seems to be a difficult point to explain with you. Not sure why...?
I agree there are offensive (as in first action) atheists who strike first and seek confrontation. They have that right to speak openly and if they so deem it loudly.
The issue is, Xtians in a general sense seem to believe no one has that right to push back against the Xtian political-social machinery in this nation. That no one can protest against a protesting Xtian group - that Xtians are exempt from protest.
That's the point. American Xtianity/Xtians has this idea that only they are allowed to express their opinions and beliefs in the public square. And when challenged the current reaction of them, the collective - is to whine they are being persecuted for their beliefs. Which is so far from reality to be laughable, if they didn't actually believe it so deeply.
Here's another angle. When Xtians "come at" non-believers - the trend has been, is usually that they come in attack mode. Its rare that they come quietly, and sincerely - its usually to accuse and attack and condemn the target to hell. And when the reverse is done they get all insulted and whine persecution.
Nearly every time I've been "come at" by a Xtian its been aggressively. Its rare to be approached by a Xtian who is passive and sincerely interested in a civil dialogue. And when you factor in how they then treat my children, as "those kids with no God" (actual quote) like they're felons...
I find it hard to comprehend how You and so many others actually don't understand why many, but by no means all, atheists, non-believers, etc, are becoming more vociferous in their expressing of their rights?
If you're going to come at me with a stick, guess what? I'm gonna take that stick from you and whack you over the head with it and send you home crying.
And that so many American Xtians and those like you who align to their cause - who cant understand the simplicity of this escapes me.
Are we any closer to you understanding this, and the differences?
Here's a good analogy. American Xtians want to play baseball, but they dont want my team to use bats to hit the ball. Only they get to use bats.
1. What "cause" have I aligned myself with? Im saying that YOU are overexaggerating on the things that christians do in comparison with atheists. There are hypocrites in all walks of life INCLUDING the walks I and YOU partake in. Why do you focus on another groups hypocrites and ignore your own groups? This has been my point for this whole discussion. That the SAME activities that you're complaining about christians partaking in, atheists do.

An atheist cannot complain about christians crying about being challenged about their beliefs then do the same when a christian challenges THEIR beliefs. And vice versa. An atheist cannot complain about christians FORCING their beliefs on others and THEN do the same to christians. AND VICE VERSA Well, I guess they can do such. They just cant complain when they get called a HYPOCRITE

2. You're correct. Im just saying that I personally have not seen christians that I know or that are around me protesting anything lol. They're pretty complacent IMO

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<quoted text>Ive already read it over a dozen times. No need to keep reading it. Its not that interesting...and its not inerrant, nor infallible. And certainly not the work of a Super being.

Im not scared of much...least of all the accusations of Xtians who lack any actual Jesus in their beliefs. Like you!
You use scripture like a Pharisee, as a weapon.
Sure you have read the Bible over a dozen times<----rolls eyes. I don't believe that for a second. You may have jumped around here and there trying to take scripture out of context but I don't believe you ever read it in it's entirety.

And sadly most so-called Christians don't either. This is why many get carried away with erroneous false doctrines and resort back to worldly sin infested lifestyles.

Christians ought to set aside a time EVERY single day for DAILY bible reading, so that they can read through the ENTIRE Holy Bible multiple times a year. Oh but they say they don't have time........yet they have time for worldly TV and other worldly trash activities. My my....maybe they're too good to read the ENTIRE Bible through multiple times a year<---rolls eyes. Now I'm preaching!!!!!!!! Toes are getting stepped on!!!!!!

One more time so it sinks in, there is something wrong with a Christian who isn't reading through the ENTIRE Word of God multiple times a year!

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Im not scared of much...least of all the accusations of Xtians who lack any actual Jesus in their beliefs. Like you!
You use scripture like a Pharisee, as a weapon.
You don't know anything about my personal life or what I do for the Lord. I'd NEVER come on here and brag about it since the Word of God is against doing that (Matt 6:1-6). I'd rather store up my treasures in Heaven than get a few pats on the back.

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This didnt answer my question though. What in the link negates the fact that there will be another temple according to Ezekiel where sacrifices would be offered?
Also, "jews" do not believe Jesus is the messiah because Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies the messiah was supposed to. Fair enough right?
Where in Ezekial does it state it's negated?

According to Christ / NT, it's fulfilled...

According to the Jews, it's not...so there will be sacrifices to GOD via the Jews...not Christians...

The Jews do not believe Jesus fulfilled Scripture...

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Hey, I'm still waiting for that list of rights Xtians have been losing...?
Where is it?
Couldn't find your post to reply. The irony is that the ACLU has been defending Christian rights while destroying them...

ACLU Defense of Religious Practice and Expression
http://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-pr...
http://www.aclusd.org/religious-liberty.html
Religious Freedom on Campus Under Attack
http://www.ccci.org/ministries-and-locations/...
Is Vanderbilt University Denying Religious Freedom to Christian Groups on Campus?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-vanderbilt...
Atheist discrimination? Astronomer says he was denied a job because of religion
http://www.science20.com/science_20/blog/athe...
More links from writers who fear we are losing our religious rights, and/or our religious rights are being eroded.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/americ...
http://m.christianpost.com/news/presidential-...
http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2011/1...
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Persecution/Default...

http://www.thebible1.net/biblicaltheism/willc...
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Atheists don't blow up buildings.
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Where in Ezekial does it state it's negated?
According to Christ / NT, it's fulfilled...
According to the Jews, it's not...so there will be sacrifices to GOD via the Jews...not Christians...
The Jews do not believe Jesus fulfilled Scripture...
Ezekiel doesnt state its negated. He states that there will be NEW SACRIFICES offered in the temple that his God told him about. How can this be true?
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Flygerian wrote:
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1. Just as its the MINORITY of christianity that tries to force their beliefs on others. See how we can keep this going?
2. Well since I do not change my name over and over I guess I have nothing to worry about right?
But its not a minority, its the bulk of Xtians who think and believe this SHOULD be a Xtian nation, and that the Bible should be used for legal material. And that they control the Public Square.

But you again miss the point, and all I can say is you're willfully belligerent about this...

A minority finally voicing their civil rights is not forcing things. Wanting to be part of the public discourse and not have to hide ones lack of beliefs, or get ostracized for them, or lie about them (more often the case) IS NOT FORCING anything.

Having to lie about ones lack of Religious belief, to have to skirt the belief Questions, etc, etc - is actual oppression, its an act of suppressing others rights.

Was it "forcing" beliefs when Black Americans marched for their rights, and for an end to Jim Crow laws? Was that "forcing" anything on White America, or was it truly the other way around...?

About all the forcing being done is Atheists, skeptics, etc are Forcing their way into the Public Square to be heard!
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NDanger wrote:
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Couldn't find your post to reply. The irony is that the ACLU has been defending Christian rights while destroying them...
ACLU Defense of Religious Practice and Expression
http://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-pr...
http://www.aclusd.org/religious-liberty.html
Religious Freedom on Campus Under Attack
http://www.ccci.org/ministries-and-locations/...
Is Vanderbilt University Denying Religious Freedom to Christian Groups on Campus?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-vanderbilt...
Atheist discrimination? Astronomer says he was denied a job because of religion
http://www.science20.com/science_20/blog/athe...
More links from writers who fear we are losing our religious rights, and/or our religious rights are being eroded.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/americ...
http://m.christianpost.com/news/presidential-...
http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2011/1...
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Persecution/Default...
http://www.thebible1.net/biblicaltheism/willc...
Didn't see anything about ANY Rights actually being taken away. Xtians truly only have a right to personally worship and do so in a Church of ones choosing.(like all Believers of all faiths) Everything else is up to the community in whole to grant.

The problem is Xtians have for a loooong time had the run of the entire field, and the stands, and the concessions, and the parking lot - and for no good or legal reasons. And now when others demand they share the field, as is their right, Xtians cry persecution and whine that Its their field - even though they dont own it.

That Xtians have had an unlimited run of most everything - and now are being pulled back, in the name of fairness to others - is not persecution or a loss of rights. You all simply have to share shyte now! You dont own the stage, the microphone, the lights and also get to decide who enters the theater and where they have to sit...and what they have to watch...

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<quoted text>Didn't see anything about ANY Rights actually being taken away. Xtians truly only have a right to personally worship and do so in a Church of ones choosing.(like all Believers of all faiths) Everything else is up to the community in whole to grant.
The problem is Xtians have for a loooong time had the run of the entire field, and the stands, and the concessions, and the parking lot - and for no good or legal reasons. And now when others demand they share the field, as is their right, Xtians cry persecution and whine that Its their field - even though they dont own it.
That Xtians have had an unlimited run of most everything - and now are being pulled back, in the name of fairness to others - is not persecution or a loss of rights. You all simply have to share shyte now! You dont own the stage, the microphone, the lights and also get to decide who enters the theater and where they have to sit...and what they have to watch...
Well, you know it's bad if the ACLU is representing Christianity. I think it's flopped way over to the other extreme. Now they can't get anything while the other's rule the roost...

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