Why Christians want others to believe
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#193 May 3, 2013
So you Seen/Star Rebron can call me names and not be self righteous and condescending?

How hypocritical of you lol

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#194 May 3, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
So you Seen/Star Rebron can call me names and not be self righteous and condescending?
How hypocritical of you lol
And your usual avoidance about >>>YOUR<<< being a condescending self righteous prick has nothing to do with my post. So here, try again:

"There you are, being your usual deceitful lying self, playing word games that has nothing to do with your being a condescending self righteous prick."
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#195 May 4, 2013
Why can you call me names and not be self righteous and condescending? I've read what you said and responded already. Do you wanna stop repeating yourself and actually respond like a human?

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#196 May 4, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
Why can you call me names and not be self righteous and condescending? I've read what you said and responded already. Do you wanna stop repeating yourself and actually respond like a human?
She's the one with the analogy of insanity..."repeat the same thing over and over expecting different results"...

So, do you think she is looking for a different reaction every time?

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#197 May 4, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
Why can you call me names and not be self righteous and condescending? I've read what you said and responded already.
And your usual avoidance about >>>YOUR<<< being a condescending self righteous prick has nothing to do with my post. So here, try again:

"There you are, being your usual deceitful lying self, playing word games that has nothing to do with your being a condescending self righteous prick."

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#198 May 4, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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She's the one with the analogy of insanity..."repeat the same thing over and over expecting different results"...
So, do you think she is looking for a different reaction every time?
I still haven't seen you present any posts of mine to back up your lie that I saw God at the age of 4.

You really need to stop lying.

I know, I know...

You just cannot stop lying.

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#199 May 4, 2013
Seentheotherside wrote:
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I still haven't seen you present any posts of mine to back up your lie that I saw God at the age of 4.
You really need to stop lying.
I know, I know...
You just cannot stop lying.
Neither the time nor the will...

I guess you'll just have to continue to deny it...such an imp...
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#200 May 4, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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She's the one with the analogy of insanity..."repeat the same thing over and over expecting different results"...
So, do you think she is looking for a different reaction every time?
Yea I think she just wants to avoid the fact that she is the one that displays the tendencies she tries to place on me

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#201 May 4, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Neither the time nor the will...
I guess you'll just have to continue to deny it...such an imp...
I still haven't seen you present any posts of mine to back up your lie that I saw God at the age of 4.

You really need to stop lying.

I know, I know...

You just cannot stop lying.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#202 May 4, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Yea I think she just wants to avoid the fact that she is the one that displays the tendencies she tries to place on me
Funny how you wannabe "Christians" are so blind to your so obvious to others, faults.

Have you gone back and read that post of mine refuting your lie yet?

And still waiting for you to bring up even one post of mine to back up your lie about seeing God at age 4.

But of course you cannot, and THAT is where everyone sees you for the liar that you are.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#203 May 4, 2013
Seentheotherside wrote:
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Funny how you wannabe "Christians" are so blind to your so obvious to others, faults.
Have you gone back and read that post of mine refuting your lie yet?
And still waiting for you to bring up even one post of mine to back up your lie about seeing God at age 4.
But of course you cannot, and THAT is where everyone sees you for the liar that you are.
I've already said that I thought you were the same person as Star Reborn and I still do. Star Reborn (who I believe to be you) said that he saw his god or whatever since he was four and has been to heaven several times learning from this god. Yall both use the same tactics in ignoring your own actions of calling me names yet saying I am the one that is condescending so I assumed you were the same person. And still do lol

Ignore my own faults? Again I ask how can you call me names (while I never called you names) and not be condescending or self righteous?

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#204 May 4, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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I've already said that I thought you were the same person as Star Reborn and I still do. Star Reborn (who I believe to be you) said that he saw his god or whatever since he was four and has been to heaven several times learning from this god. Yall both use the same tactics in ignoring your own actions of calling me names yet saying I am the one that is condescending so I assumed you were the same person. And still do lol
Ignore my own faults? Again I ask how can you call me names (while I never called you names) and not be condescending or self righteous?
You are a freakin idiot, do you comprehend that?

I replied to your moronic demand that I prove God to you. And you've been refusing to read it, instead ranting on for DAYS with the same old lie that I didn't reply. Even though it posted on Topix for all to see.

And to avoid facing YOUR arrogant condescending crappy attitude, you deceitfully try pointing the finger of blame onto me by playing your stupid word games. Stupid avoidance games, that's all it is.

Then you believe the lies of that well known lying "Christian" troll NDanger, and keep repeating his lie about me seeing God at age 4. But you cannot find even one post of mine to back up your lie. Yet you keep repeating the lies for SEVERAL DAYS now.

Now pay attention idiot child.

I replied to your demand of proving God. Go back and read it or shut up already. Only and idiot would refuse to read it and rant on for days demanding an answer that was already given.

Go look up the meaning of condescending, then look at your arrogant condescending crappy attitude, and change it. Never mind about me or anyone else. Fix yourself.

Either get a post of mine to back up your lie about seeing God when 4 years old, or quit repeating the lie.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#205 May 5, 2013
Seentheotherside wrote:
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You are a freakin idiot, do you comprehend that?
I replied to your moronic demand that I prove God to you. And you've been refusing to read it, instead ranting on for DAYS with the same old lie that I didn't reply. Even though it posted on Topix for all to see.
And to avoid facing YOUR arrogant condescending crappy attitude, you deceitfully try pointing the finger of blame onto me by playing your stupid word games. Stupid avoidance games, that's all it is.
Then you believe the lies of that well known lying "Christian" troll NDanger, and keep repeating his lie about me seeing God at age 4. But you cannot find even one post of mine to back up your lie. Yet you keep repeating the lies for SEVERAL DAYS now.
Now pay attention idiot child.
I replied to your demand of proving God. Go back and read it or shut up already. Only and idiot would refuse to read it and rant on for days demanding an answer that was already given.
Go look up the meaning of condescending, then look at your arrogant condescending crappy attitude, and change it. Never mind about me or anyone else. Fix yourself.
Either get a post of mine to back up your lie about seeing God when 4 years old, or quit repeating the lie.
1. What post did you bring proof? What post did you explain what proof or lack thereof that you have? You keep referring to the "post where I explained that". Well, where is it? Lets see if you keep to your words

2. I've already said that Star Rebron (who I believe to be YOU) said that. What do you not get about that? I've repeated it at least 3 times now that STAR REBORN is the one that stated that he met "the real god" and went to heaven several times. Maybe you said that to NDanger idk lol. Star Reborn definitely said that to me and I believe you are the person behind the Star Reborn/Seentheotherside accounts. Something you have not denied

3. Let me get this straight (since you keep avoiding it). YOU can call me names yet Im supposed to fix myself before worrying about you? Why can you do those things and not be condescending? No answer huh? LMAO
Punisher

Massapequa Park, NY

#206 May 5, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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I guess this is pojc hiding under other names lol. This will not relieve the sickness from you lol.
If this is really Pun, then I'll answer your question after you address what I said in the post. But its doubtful this is the real Pun because Pun doesnt avoid in that manner
That was not me.

The bad grammar alone was evidence it was not mine.
Punisher

Massapequa Park, NY

#207 May 5, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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1. Of course. I offend and am condescending when I put LOL but you then go and throw fantasies such as me "sucking dick" and saying Im a christian groupie lol. But Im "condescending" right?

2. Oh yea, atheists arent always on the defense. Christians arent always on the attack. Atheists arent always on the attack. Christians arent always on the defense. Therefore the past has nothing to do with their CURRENT treatment of christians. If they dont/didnt like those things happening to them then they do not do those things to others. Unless you believe Native Americans have the right to repay for the evil done to them?
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Why yes it is
1. You're right. But I was making a point at the same time. But I take back my dirty talk.

2. I dont actually believe or think that Xtians, American to be specific, are being hurt by any of the push-back they receive collectively. The individual can worship as they wish...but when they collect and/or allow their spokespeople to remark on social issues then they MUST expect replies that will not agree with them, and in some cases expect a little more "extra" as well.

And its nothing but a cowardly response to claim persecution whenever - and its now all the time - they get push-back. First, its cowardly, because it denigrates actual real persecution of others of all beliefs, or not, the world over. And second because its now using the same victim mentality that many Xtians, many Xtian leaders use to marginalize true victims and victims groups.

American Xtians want exemption from all critique all the time. Its really that simple.
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#208 May 5, 2013
Oberktosa wrote:
The reason is simple; deep within they know their God is an illusion so they need others to beLIEve.
More than likely you run into believers on at least a weekly basis (if not biweekly-triweekly-daily), and don't even know it. What seems to offend most atheist or agnostic adults has nothing to do with what Christians 'want' them to believe, but that Christians hold an unfavorable 'opinion'(belief) to that atheist or agnostic, whether it's voiced to them or not.

As an example, if an atheist/agnostic knows that I'm an evangelical Christian; they know that in my opinion, like all of us including myself, they 'need' redemption. It really 'shouldn't' be offensive a thought, since I believe we are all in the "same boat" so to speak. They may be offended by the fact that I don't believe that they 'personally' merit God's favor without Christ. But I don't think 'anyone' does, let alone myself.

Most if not all the people who post here are adults, and are experiencing zero to no religious oppression whatsoever.
Punisher

Massapequa Park, NY

#209 May 5, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Can you show me something that displays that only christians came to america?
1. Even if we go with your premise, do you think that Native Americans have the right to kill rape and pillage people of European descent who did the same to their ancestors? A simple yes or no would be suffice.
2. Should blacks have the right to do the same people enslaved and oppressed their ancestors for hundreds of years? Should they get to do the same to the whites? A simple yes or no would be suffice.
All in all, atheists cannot say christians cannot challenge their beliefs and then go and challenge a christians beliefs. And vice versa. For either party doing it, its HYPOCRISY
ONLY Xtians? Of course not, but we all know the numbers and we all know that this nation was "founded" and conquered by mostly Xtians. Xtians made up the majority of the early and late colonists, as well as the rest of the population as the nation grew and expanded.

Simple yes or no's....lol...

1 and 2. No, I dont think the same physical tactics should be used...just that when they are the ones who did them in the first place should not be shocked if they get some of the same in return. Like the Israelis (and the World) who were shocked that the Palestinians, etc, used the same terror tactics in reverse. And everyone got all angry that they'd dared hit back. Like Native Americans. "How dare they hit back, we're the Righteous, and Divinely appointed masters of this land mass, not these heathens!"

I was talking about the politics. If group A gets to use various political tactics to their advantage, and for a time can control the playing field, when that control gets lifted they should not be surprised or angry that the ones oppressed are now using the system to their advantages...as they were always rightly allowed, but were unable by one group running the game and the field

In our examples, that we're discussing, its the politics of free-speech. If Xtians can speak and comment on whatever they please - than they should accept that they will be fought back. And if society is now skewing towards restricting their voice (the Xtians) its to be expected and while not exactly right, its in no way as BAD as the Xtians are now making it appear, nor as bad as when they had complete run of the playing field. The pendulum always swings to the far side when its let loose. Thats the way its always been in these sorts of social matters...the extreme oppressor eventually gets a little bit of that oppression back on them. And not anywhere near as bad as when they ran the game. But that's the way American Xtians are trying to make it appear.

I think the case of homosexuality is the best one we can use. Right now the majority of Americans are tired of hearing a Community of Xtians harp on the subject all day and night. And in that majority are American Xtians - who are tired of their Faith and Religion being a one/two issue "party" - being hijacked by a few alarmists. Many Xtians in fact dont think Xtianity as a community should be so deeply involved in actual politics like it is now. That many think Xtians should be doing actual Gods work out of the political fields where its nothing but Mans work.

So now that the Homosexual community is speaking up, is largely being accepted by the general population as part of the citizenry and worthy of civil rights protections, etc, etc - too many Xtians, or the loudest among them, seem to believe that ONLY they can comment on these matters and that ONLY their (xtian) POV is to be listened to. And when they (Xtians) are shouted down by others they whine and yell persecution.

Its hypocritical and childish.

BTW; I never said Xtians cant challenge atheists, etc...all I have ever said is that they cant demand exemptions to challenge. Which is what the Xtian Communities in this nation are used to - not being challenged. They had an exemption which has been revoked.
Punisher

Massapequa Park, NY

#210 May 5, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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That is not up for private interpretation. That is preachers using their followers not having knowledge about the book they claim is the word of God to their own advantage.

1. Madscot said that the bible is up for interpretation and I asked him to give me something (other than prophecy) where this is the case

2. If you're going to claim that it is a christian invention that ONLY man and women are to be married then you need to acknowledge why other nations that are NOT christian abide by the same rules. I would say because its common sense that man was made for woman and vice versa what would you say tho?
2. the act of procreation is the ONLY thing isolated to a man and a woman. Love is not. Love is between two people.(hopefully both are involved, otherwise its creepy stalking...lol) And the civil rules and rights, re; marriage - are not in any way linked to any Religious beliefs. So the civil institution of marriage is OPEN to civil reinterpretations.

Religious marriage is not legal marriage. You cant even go to a Church and get married without first paying the State for the permission to marry.

Religions can keep their definitions all they wish. Its the civil institution that is being debated...and the civil and social rights of the same. Religious beliefs are actually irrelevant to the discussion because in reality "the State" doesn't give a shyte what a Religion says on the matter...

IMO, marriage has always been - historically - a civil matter. That Religions perform some rituals over it all, but not always - is but window dressing. And a distraction. No one in the West really marries for Religious reasons, they marry for personal ones. And elsewhere it might be dressed in Religion, but its usually economics. A means for a male to move up the social ladder, and for a female to be legitimized in her community and less an economic burden to her blood family.

1. My favorite example, The Doctrine of the Trinity is nothing but interpretation. And IMO its the bad one that won - all due to the interference of the State and politics.

Doctrine of Election, my second favorite. Another bad one that has won. Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura - all interpretations that are very important. Is it the actual Body of Christ, or a representation of him...RCC interpretations versus everyone elses.

The Bible is inert till someone reads it and tries to interpret it. The fact that its been beaten to death in that manner, that there is little to no new interpretations (outside of the Prosperity Gospel stuff I mentioned) coming down the pike at this stage is telling us something - and I think it should be re-interpreted to better reflect the changes Humanity has and is undergoing...and will undergo...as well as better understanding of the "original" languages first used in its earliest manifestations.
Punisher

Massapequa Park, NY

#211 May 5, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Yep. Though what you just said has nothing to do with the thread I am in 100% agreement
<quoted text>
Thats not whats being discussed. This.
6 Mexicans comes and hit you one after the other. Now from now on you hit every mexican you come in contact with.
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More hypocrisy from Mr. Pun. I was condescending for using "LOL" but you can call me names such as Xtian groupie and say I suck dicks and its all good and dandy huh?
Sigh I know I said I wouldnt repeat this but let me try again.
ATHEISTS (OR CHRISTIANS) CANNOT complain about people challenging their beliefs then go and CHALLENGE a CHRISTIAN(OR ATHEISTS) BELIEFS. That is hypocritical
I cannot hit you on purpose and then complain when someone does the same to me.
We've both gotten off track...time between posts tends to do that...

I agree if I hit someone first, I cant cry if they hit back. Nor can I just hit anyone of that extended group...or can I...?

But lets widen this a bit...open the windows.

If I was hit over and over, over a length of time, not by one individual but a collection of them under an umbrella of Belief - and suddenly I have the freedom to hit back - and all I have is the group (of which the original hitters are now long gone, but the will and desire to hit me still exists)- and I hit back...is it not fair of me to do it?

Can that Group cry that I'm not being fair? And I hit back hard enough to hurt them, am I now a hypocrite?(and lets realize I'm NOT using the word "hit" in the physical sense)

Can I be a hypocrite if during that time of being hit I couldn't even criticize the hitters because my ability was squelched..?
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#212 May 5, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>1. You're right. But I was making a point at the same time. But I take back my dirty talk.
2. I dont actually believe or think that Xtians, American to be specific, are being hurt by any of the push-back they receive collectively. The individual can worship as they wish...but when they collect and/or allow their spokespeople to remark on social issues then they MUST expect replies that will not agree with them, and in some cases expect a little more "extra" as well.
And its nothing but a cowardly response to claim persecution whenever - and its now all the time - they get push-back. First, its cowardly, because it denigrates actual real persecution of others of all beliefs, or not, the world over. And second because its now using the same victim mentality that many Xtians, many Xtian leaders use to marginalize true victims and victims groups.
American Xtians want exemption from all critique all the time. Its really that simple.
1. At least you admitted it. Props

2. I agree 100%. Still doesnt excuse people from ATTACKING christians or christians ATTACKING atheists. If they ATTACK they cannot complain when someone does the same for them. This is what I've said this whole time and your post now FINALLY agrees

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