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For a Christian, what is the role of welfare in their nation?

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Cookie_Parker

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#1 Nov 15, 2012
How would Christ feel about helping the least of these with government support?

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#2 Nov 15, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
How would Christ feel about helping the least of these with government support?
I guarantee he wouldn't supply them with cell phones.

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#3 Nov 15, 2012
And I doubt he would want to help these people either.

http://youtu.be/I79wUEqBdQc

Hell Sucks

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Since: Apr 12

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#4 Nov 15, 2012
Huntington Guy wrote:
And I doubt he would want to help these people either.
http://youtu.be/I79wUEqBdQc
Scary, huh?? What really sucks is the people that REALLY need aid seldom get it as they are not users of the system.

As far as a cell phone, it has saved my life on many occasions when I was isolated and needed medical attention or other help. It is the only lifeline for some to 911 services etc. I use few minutes. So I would say the logic there is to just furnish them with limited minutes that excludes texting and internet services. I have neither and do fine. Basic cell phones don't cost much either.

The key is to separate necessities from luxuries. Some have neither.

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#6 Nov 15, 2012
MRSMURPHY wrote:
If you want something bad enough you should get off your ass and work for it... Welfare was intented as a hand up not a hand out... It was not ment as a lifestyle but a life raft.. Just another perfect example of a system being abused.. I don't have a cell phone and if you don't have a job and on the goverment hand out what do you need one for?
The only thing I disagree with is the cell phone. There have been many cases where a cell phone could have saved or saved somebody’s life. The cell phone is a life saving tool whether it is for yourself or to call 911 to save somebody else’s life. I’ve used mine to report two separate car accidents last year when there were no other vehicles in sight to call in the accidents and time ticks fast where life is concerned. Hubby and I stayed until paramedics, police and fire department arrived. The driver in the one accident had a heart attack while driving and his semi went off the road and turned on its side. The other car accident I called in was a car that lost control and spinned on the road, due to ice, and flipped over twice and landed upside down. The young guy was dangling and the door had to be cut open by the fire department so they could get him out. Yes, a cell phone is a life saving tool.

Since: Nov 10

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#7 Nov 15, 2012
The obama cell phone plans include texting and 250 minutes of cell use with rollover minutes. And well thats Bullsh.t! A cheap 0.99 cent phone with access to dial 911 ONLY wold be fine with me. But rollover minutes, etc... I call bullsh.t!

The fact of the matter is many people that know how to work the system can make a better living than the working class of people. The system should be set up so that CANNOT happen! But it does, and its getting easier and easier. And now on top of that, we give them cell phones??? Who's idea was this?

I know many families RIGHT NOW that receive better medical treatment than middle income families with Insurance, because at the end of the day and after you pay for insurance, groceries, etc... There isnt much left over. Yea sometimes for a middle class family its hard to cough up a $20.00 co pay, especially if you have more than one kid.

True Story:

My sister and her husband both work and just barely do not qualify for any type of government assistance. Her two boys were both sick, so she had to take off work (where she lost pay) to care for them and take them to the doctor and get meds. They just had a financial set back because they had to replace their HVAC unit. When she took her kids to the doctor, there was an obnoxious welfare Mother with 3 kids that were also at the doctor. It cost my sis $40.00 to see the doctor for both kids, which she barely had. Welfare Mother $0.00. Then ironically she went to Wal Mart to pick up her meds for the kids and had to scrape change to pay for that. Welfare Mother $0.00 She couldnt even afford groceries and had to eat at my Grandmothers for a couple of days. The Welfare Mother had a cart overflowing with groceries $0.00.

The story on the welfare Mother is this. The Father works, and is an electrician and lives in the home, however on paper he doesnt. So that qualifies the Mother for HUDD. Free Housing. The Father pays child support but it comes right back to him. So, the Welfare family gets a free home that if anything goes wrong like HVAC its paid for. So you wonder why the Middle Class is getting fed up. THATS WHY! This is just one example of many!

“The Topix Legend of "GS8"!”

Since: Sep 10

Danville, VA

#9 Nov 15, 2012
Huntington Guy wrote:
<quoted text>I guarantee he wouldn't supply them with cell phones.
How are you HG. Looks like it has been a deleteful day on the christian forum.
OKAY

Houston, TX

#10 Nov 15, 2012
Hell Sucks wrote:
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Scary, huh?? What really sucks is the people that REALLY need aid seldom get it as they are not users of the system.
As far as a cell phone, it has saved my life on many occasions when I was isolated and needed medical attention or other help. It is the only lifeline for some to 911 services etc. I use few minutes. So I would say the logic there is to just furnish them with limited minutes that excludes texting and internet services. I have neither and do fine. Basic cell phones don't cost much either.
The key is to separate necessities from luxuries. Some have neither.
Scary? More like pathetic.

“The Topix Legend of "GS8"!”

Since: Sep 10

Danville, VA

#11 Nov 15, 2012
OKAY wrote:
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Scary? More like pathetic.
It is still a deleteful day on topix.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#12 Nov 15, 2012
Huntington Guy wrote:
<quoted text>I guarantee he wouldn't supply them with cell phones.
why not? Would he not have supplied a man with a new rope for his donkey, or a new bucket for his well? A new pot for a mother to cook with...?
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#13 Nov 15, 2012
Huntington Guy wrote:
The obama cell phone plans include texting and 250 minutes of cell use with rollover minutes. And well thats Bullsh.t! A cheap 0.99 cent phone with access to dial 911 ONLY wold be fine with me. But rollover minutes, etc... I call bullsh.t!
The fact of the matter is many people that know how to work the system can make a better living than the working class of people. The system should be set up so that CANNOT happen! But it does, and its getting easier and easier. And now on top of that, we give them cell phones??? Who's idea was this?
I know many families RIGHT NOW that receive better medical treatment than middle income families with Insurance, because at the end of the day and after you pay for insurance, groceries, etc... There isnt much left over. Yea sometimes for a middle class family its hard to cough up a $20.00 co pay, especially if you have more than one kid.
True Story:
My sister and her husband both work and just barely do not qualify for any type of government assistance. Her two boys were both sick, so she had to take off work (where she lost pay) to care for them and take them to the doctor and get meds. They just had a financial set back because they had to replace their HVAC unit. When she took her kids to the doctor, there was an obnoxious welfare Mother with 3 kids that were also at the doctor. It cost my sis $40.00 to see the doctor for both kids, which she barely had. Welfare Mother $0.00. Then ironically she went to Wal Mart to pick up her meds for the kids and had to scrape change to pay for that. Welfare Mother $0.00 She couldnt even afford groceries and had to eat at my Grandmothers for a couple of days. The Welfare Mother had a cart overflowing with groceries $0.00.
The story on the welfare Mother is this. The Father works, and is an electrician and lives in the home, however on paper he doesnt. So that qualifies the Mother for HUDD. Free Housing. The Father pays child support but it comes right back to him. So, the Welfare family gets a free home that if anything goes wrong like HVAC its paid for. So you wonder why the Middle Class is getting fed up. THATS WHY! This is just one example of many!
Use the system huh?

Lets see who is it that truly USES the system to make more than they deserve...who could that be...Hmm...could it be Corporate farms awash in subsidies, who poison water systems...could it be Corporations rewarded by Wall St by reducing staff and working the remaining staff more and all for less payroll...except the Execs, who then get huge golden parachutes...could it be the Oil Companies...???

Nah, not them...they're so righteous.

Your HUD example while it can be true is not as large a number as you wish. This is still a tired lie of the Extreme WhRight.

http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending...
Sola Scriptura

United States

#14 Nov 15, 2012
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>why not? Would he not have supplied a man with a new rope for his donkey, or a new bucket for his well? A new pot for a mother to cook with...?
2Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

2Thessalonians 3:11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

2Thessalonians 3:12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#15 Nov 15, 2012
Huntington Guy wrote:
The obama cell phone plans include texting and 250 minutes of cell use with rollover minutes. And well thats Bullsh.t! A cheap 0.99 cent phone with access to dial 911 ONLY wold be fine with me. But rollover minutes, etc... I call bullsh.t!
The fact of the matter is many people that know how to work the system can make a better living than the working class of people. The system should be set up so that CANNOT happen! But it does, and its getting easier and easier. And now on top of that, we give them cell phones??? Who's idea was this?
I know many families RIGHT NOW that receive better medical treatment than middle income families with Insurance, because at the end of the day and after you pay for insurance, groceries, etc... There isnt much left over. Yea sometimes for a middle class family its hard to cough up a $20.00 co pay, especially if you have more than one kid.
True Story:
My sister and her husband both work and just barely do not qualify for any type of government assistance. Her two boys were both sick, so she had to take off work (where she lost pay) to care for them and take them to the doctor and get meds. They just had a financial set back because they had to replace their HVAC unit. When she took her kids to the doctor, there was an obnoxious welfare Mother with 3 kids that were also at the doctor. It cost my sis $40.00 to see the doctor for both kids, which she barely had. Welfare Mother $0.00. Then ironically she went to Wal Mart to pick up her meds for the kids and had to scrape change to pay for that. Welfare Mother $0.00 She couldnt even afford groceries and had to eat at my Grandmothers for a couple of days. The Welfare Mother had a cart overflowing with groceries $0.00.
The story on the welfare Mother is this. The Father works, and is an electrician and lives in the home, however on paper he doesnt. So that qualifies the Mother for HUDD. Free Housing. The Father pays child support but it comes right back to him. So, the Welfare family gets a free home that if anything goes wrong like HVAC its paid for. So you wonder why the Middle Class is getting fed up. THATS WHY! This is just one example of many!
Did you, someone else follow this alleged Welfare mother around, all the way to the Pharmacy?

These my friend, my brother, my sister, my Aunt, etc stories are so very tiresome.

Your sister not have any sick time, vacation time...? Or did she use it up for something frivolous ???
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#16 Nov 15, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
<quoted text>
2Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
2Thessalonians 3:11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.
2Thessalonians 3:12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
If Jesus didnt say it, I dont care about it. Or are you a Paulinist?

Jesus was damn clear on his message about charity, and helping the poor..

Here's a curious thing...folks like you will extort HOW Xtianity practically invented Charity...until it interferes with your prejudices.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#17 Nov 15, 2012
Huntington Guy wrote:
The obama cell phone plans include texting and 250 minutes of cell use with rollover minutes. And well thats Bullsh.t! A cheap 0.99 cent phone with access to dial 911 ONLY wold be fine with me. But rollover minutes, etc... I call bullsh.t!
The fact of the matter is many people that know how to work the system can make a better living than the working class of people. The system should be set up so that CANNOT happen! But it does, and its getting easier and easier. And now on top of that, we give them cell phones??? Who's idea was this?
I know many families RIGHT NOW that receive better medical treatment than middle income families with Insurance, because at the end of the day and after you pay for insurance, groceries, etc... There isnt much left over. Yea sometimes for a middle class family its hard to cough up a $20.00 co pay, especially if you have more than one kid.
True Story:
My sister and her husband both work and just barely do not qualify for any type of government assistance. Her two boys were both sick, so she had to take off work (where she lost pay) to care for them and take them to the doctor and get meds. They just had a financial set back because they had to replace their HVAC unit. When she took her kids to the doctor, there was an obnoxious welfare Mother with 3 kids that were also at the doctor. It cost my sis $40.00 to see the doctor for both kids, which she barely had. Welfare Mother $0.00. Then ironically she went to Wal Mart to pick up her meds for the kids and had to scrape change to pay for that. Welfare Mother $0.00 She couldnt even afford groceries and had to eat at my Grandmothers for a couple of days. The Welfare Mother had a cart overflowing with groceries $0.00.
The story on the welfare Mother is this. The Father works, and is an electrician and lives in the home, however on paper he doesnt. So that qualifies the Mother for HUDD. Free Housing. The Father pays child support but it comes right back to him. So, the Welfare family gets a free home that if anything goes wrong like HVAC its paid for. So you wonder why the Middle Class is getting fed up. THATS WHY! This is just one example of many!
So not only allow republicans to cut middle class jobs which then creates lay off with the minimum wage job making it harder to find work to live and pay for your living (food, shelter), but now ISOLATE people from family and friends by NOT allowing them access to a corporation with billions in profits and welfare from the government?

I dont' see this as Christian at all.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#18 Nov 15, 2012
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>If Jesus didnt say it, I dont care about it. Or are you a Paulinist?
Jesus was damn clear on his message about charity, and helping the poor..
Here's a curious thing...folks like you will extort HOW Xtianity practically invented Charity...until it interferes with your prejudices.
Nail/head.
Sola Scriptura

United States

#19 Nov 15, 2012
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>If Jesus didnt say it, I dont care about it. Or are you a Paulinist?
Jesus was damn clear on his message about charity, and helping the poor..
Here's a curious thing...folks like you will extort HOW Xtianity practically invented Charity...until it interferes with your prejudices.
You're not a Christian, why should I care what YOU say? I don't.

So, if someone doesn't work, they shouldn't eat.

And it is not speaking about people who are LEGITIMATELY disabled ot unable to work you ignorant asshole.

Paulinist? There IS no such thing you arrogant, sanctimonious jerk. Paul was a CHRISTIAN, something YOU have no idea what it is.

And the ONLY time you care about anything Jesus said is if you can twist it to fit YOUR self-serving views.
Sola Scriptura

United States

#20 Nov 15, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
Nail/head.
ignorant/twit
Sola Scriptura

United States

#21 Nov 15, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
So not only allow republicans to cut middle class jobs which then creates lay off with the minimum wage job making it harder to find work to live and pay for your living (food, shelter), but now ISOLATE people from family and friends by NOT allowing them access to a corporation with billions in profits and welfare from the government?
I dont' see this as Christian at all.
And I suppose you see the Obama created death panels a Christian thing to do? You liberals will choke on your own words before long.

Since: Apr 07

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#22 Nov 15, 2012
I don't think Jesus was into politics. In my experience, there are people who legitimately need help, and there are those who know how to game the system. I have seen people with 15% lung power denied services, and I have seen a woman, who's husband abscounded, living on welfare while, her boyfriend provided for her and her child.

There is a lot of fraud in the welfare system. Why can't the government investigate and stop this?

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