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#89 Mar 17, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Apparently a lot of things are beyond you...
wow --- what a comeback. When you look in the mirror--you really believe this type of response validates your position...even though you didn't address a single point?

You must go through alot of mirrors

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#90 Mar 17, 2013
IamHim wrote:
Do you believe George Washington existed?
There is very strong evidence to support George Washington's existed and no one has information or credible evidence to even suggest otherwise.

There is strong evidence to support someone named Jesus existed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...

SOME do propose he didn't. Not the case with GW. The only people that suggest it seem to be Christians trying to find a weak angle to play in an argument.

The real question is what did Jesus actually do and say. The biblical accounts in conjunction with outside accounts serve to establish his existence but the bible does not serve as proof that he was who the bible says he was. From the criteria here, the bible does not serve as reliable evidence...for Jesus or "god" in the sky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#91 Mar 17, 2013
cvor wrote:
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wow --- what a comeback. When you look in the mirror--you really believe this type of response validates your position...even though you didn't address a single point?
You must go through alot of mirrors
Shows how worthy of a reply it deemed...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#92 Mar 18, 2013
cvor wrote:
...
There is no evidence of god. There is no evidence of heaven. You have a mental crutch and find proof of god in toast. At least my being lives in a world proven to exist. Its more reasonable.
Minor point, but there IS evidence to support the belief in one or more Deities. All of that evidence is purely subjective in nature (testimonials of believers, second hand descriptions of "eyewitness" accounts, etc.) and is thus suspect, but that is different from saying that there is NO evidence.

“No Allah: know peace”

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A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#93 Mar 18, 2013
Addressing the original point for a moment...

If we equate the christian God with the God of the Old Testament, then He is not an atheist, since the Bible contains references to the existence of other Gods. Of course, that also requires the assumption that the Bible was inspired by said God...

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#94 Mar 18, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Shows how worthy of a reply it deemed...
wow-- another great comeback. You must have been the masterbator in high school.

Still didn't respond to the points though...just trying to salvage your ego. How sad that you prefer this to honesty and objectivity

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#95 Mar 18, 2013
Liam R wrote:
Addressing the original point for a moment...
If we equate the christian God with the God of the Old Testament, then He is not an atheist, since the Bible contains references to the existence of other Gods. Of course, that also requires the assumption that the Bible was inspired by said God...
Call it what you like.

I do not think there is a power greater than me.
Your god doesn't think there is a power greater than him.
I do not think my morals come from a higher power.
Your god does not think his morals come from a higher power.
I believe other humans exist.
Your god believes other gods exist.

Can it get any more similar?

Is this not the essence of atheism?

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#96 Mar 18, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Minor point, but there IS evidence to support the belief in one or more Deities. All of that evidence is purely subjective in nature (testimonials of believers, second hand descriptions of "eyewitness" accounts, etc.) and is thus suspect, but that is different from saying that there is NO evidence.
It is as much evidence as me telling you that an alien visited me last night...or some off the wall nonsense.

Are presents evidence of Santa? Yes or no?
Daughter of Christ

Reseda, CA

#97 Mar 18, 2013
Christian Brothers & Sisters - I have just read through this thread and I must warn you that this man is not interested in sincere dialogue with you. He is only interested in destroying you. He will run you around in circles, try to degrade and confuse you and plant self doubt in you. This man is a tool of Satan with one goal in mind and that is to destroy your relationship with the Lord. He is not interested in God nor in the things of God. Do not giving him any opportunity to mock God and spew his evil by engaging in discussion with him. He has heard the Word of the Lord and has rejected Him. This man has chosen his path and his future.

1 Corinthians 1:18 (NIV)
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#98 Mar 19, 2013
cvor wrote:
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Well -- god just knows more than me. We both THINK there is no higher power than ourselves. "god" by your definition -- is just in a position to know for certain. We both THINK the same thing though....and have the same conviction...and act like there is none.
You can fault me for not having the level of knowledge as your imaganiary god that you arbitrarily assign qualities to....but the fact remains.....
your god and I think there is no higher power than ourselves...have the same conviction about it.....and act like it as a result.
Your god is just a highly knowledgeable atheist.
cvor: "your god and I think there is no higher power than ourselves."

YOU think there's no higher power than yourself. GOD knows there is.
You are FUNny!
Ha ha.

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#99 Mar 19, 2013
cvor wrote:
An atheist - when it gets down to it is someone that believes there is no "higher power". The Christian god(s) do not believe there is a power greater than them. They do not BELIEVE that such a power EXISTS.
Essentially - the christian god is an ATHEIST.
Those wacked out christians that say Atheists have no morals or are lost and are this...and are that.....should realize the greatest irony of all....that they bow down and center their lives around the most powerful ATHEIST in the universe....the "trinity" LMAO
What do you have to offer better than eternal life? Answer: NOTHING

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#100 Mar 19, 2013
Daughter of Christ wrote:
Christian Brothers & Sisters - I have just read through this thread and I must warn you that this man is not interested in sincere dialogue with you. He is only interested in destroying you. He will run you around in circles, try to degrade and confuse you and plant self doubt in you. This man is a tool of Satan with one goal in mind and that is to destroy your relationship with the Lord. He is not interested in God nor in the things of God. Do not giving him any opportunity to mock God and spew his evil by engaging in discussion with him. He has heard the Word of the Lord and has rejected Him. This man has chosen his path and his future.
1 Corinthians 1:18 (NIV)
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Notice how this poster doesn't address a single point and makes more baseless assertions and attacks the character. More diversion and lack of supporting the claims at hand.

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#101 Mar 19, 2013
janeebee wrote:
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cvor: "your god and I think there is no higher power than ourselves."
YOU think there's no higher power than yourself. GOD knows there is.
You are FUNny!
Ha ha.
He thinks it....and knows it. Funny indeed.

So your criticism is he is more knowledgeable. WOW. So you worship a more knowledgeable Atheist.

Thanks for the clarification

“No Allah: know peace”

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A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#102 Mar 19, 2013
cvor wrote:
<quoted text>
It is as much evidence as me telling you that an alien visited me last night...or some off the wall nonsense.
Are presents evidence of Santa? Yes or no?
Ah, but then it comes down to a question of the credibility of the witnesses and the possibility of alternative explanations. Santa is believed by mall children, based on the evidence of the presents, but the presence of loving parents provides an alternative explanation for the source of the presents.

To go with a less incredible example, I could tell you about my neighbor. The likelihood of you believing me shrinks with the degree of believability of what I say. If I say he has a mustache, you would most likely believe me for the simple reason that many men do have mustaches. If I said that he has a Sherman tank in his backyard, you would expect some form of collaborating evidence.

However, if you personally knew me in real life (and not just as a fellow poster on Topix), then you might be inclined to accept based only on my word that he has a Sherman tank, even if you had never had a change to peek in his backyard.

And that can be taken to a further remove. What if I was friends with a person that you knew and trusted? Would you believe my word then?

Obviously, credibility is not the same as accuracy. I could say "Sherman tank" when it is really an armored personnel carrier. Or it could be a realistic mock-up, or I was hallucinating, etc, etc, etc. BUT, if I say "Sherman tank", and the neighbor on the other side says "Sherman tank" and the WW 2 vet that lives behind him says "Sherman tank", then maybe it really is a Sherman tank.

Now, it should be obvious that this example is still dealing with an objectively verifiable statement "my neighbor has a Sherman tank in his back yard" is easily proven or dis-proven. Not so with religion; it is far too subjective. Four people could see the same thing and claim it as "proof" of four different Gods. But does that mean that none of them saw anything?

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#103 Mar 19, 2013
Daughter of Christ wrote:
Christian Brothers & Sisters - I have just read through this thread and I must warn you that this man is not interested in sincere dialogue with you. He is only interested in destroying you. He will run you around in circles, try to degrade and confuse you and plant self doubt in you. This man is a tool of Satan with one goal in mind and that is to destroy your relationship with the Lord. He is not interested in God nor in the things of God. Do not giving him any opportunity to mock God and spew his evil by engaging in discussion with him. He has heard the Word of the Lord and has rejected Him. This man has chosen his path and his future.
1 Corinthians 1:18 (NIV)
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Fun fact for the day: the Bible proves that Jesus is a false god.

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#106 Mar 19, 2013
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, but then it comes down to a question of the credibility of the witnesses and the possibility of alternative explanations. Santa is believed by mall children, based on the evidence of the presents, but the presence of loving parents provides an alternative explanation for the source of the presents.
To go with a less incredible example, I could tell you about my neighbor. The likelihood of you believing me shrinks with the degree of believability of what I say. If I say he has a mustache, you would most likely believe me for the simple reason that many men do have mustaches. If I said that he has a Sherman tank in his backyard, you would expect some form of collaborating evidence.
However, if you personally knew me in real life (and not just as a fellow poster on Topix), then you might be inclined to accept based only on my word that he has a Sherman tank, even if you had never had a change to peek in his backyard.
And that can be taken to a further remove. What if I was friends with a person that you knew and trusted? Would you believe my word then?
Obviously, credibility is not the same as accuracy. I could say "Sherman tank" when it is really an armored personnel carrier. Or it could be a realistic mock-up, or I was hallucinating, etc, etc, etc. BUT, if I say "Sherman tank", and the neighbor on the other side says "Sherman tank" and the WW 2 vet that lives behind him says "Sherman tank", then maybe it really is a Sherman tank.
Now, it should be obvious that this example is still dealing with an objectively verifiable statement "my neighbor has a Sherman tank in his back yard" is easily proven or dis-proven. Not so with religion; it is far too subjective. Four people could see the same thing and claim it as "proof" of four different Gods. But does that mean that none of them saw anything?
it comes down to thousands of years and not a shred of proof despite trillions of believers. You had your chance at credibility. I'd like for you to establish how in the world claims of god are more credible that claims of 32nd dimensional fairies. Are you serious? At least the fairies don't exist in a place not proven to even exist.

Can we return to reality now? God is not a credible claim and is less credible than what I mentioned. The universe does not need a god to operate despite what primitive stone scribbles say. How can an anonymous writer have credibility anyway?
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#107 Mar 19, 2013
cvor wrote:
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it comes down to thousands of years and not a shred of proof despite trillions of believers. You had your chance at credibility. I'd like for you to establish how in the world claims of god are more credible that claims of 32nd dimensional fairies. Are you serious? At least the fairies don't exist in a place not proven to even exist.
Can we return to reality now? God is not a credible claim and is less credible than what I mentioned. The universe does not need a god to operate despite what primitive stone scribbles say. How can an anonymous writer have credibility anyway?
If God does not exist then life is meaningless and we are no more valuable than a rock. The problem is that no one can live believing this.

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#108 Mar 19, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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If God does not exist then life is meaningless and we are no more valuable than a rock. The problem is that no one can live believing this.
That is your opinion..which is probably why you resorted to living a lie because you find no value in real life and reality scares you
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#109 Mar 19, 2013
cvor wrote:
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Wow....what a pointed response....nlw u evade things and cry foul. What a loser. I did indicate why the 32nd dimensional fairy is more logical..and did so several times. I schooled u and u know it. I am only repeating myself because u repeat the same fallacies. Your thinking is rooted in inconsistent and erroneous logic. You have asserted fallacious reasoning and can't see it....and label me as hard headed. That is because ur simple and have no analytical abilities. Typical christian approach here.......fallacious reasoning and bs and selective application of evidence.
There is no evidence of god. There is no evidence of heaven. You have a mental crutch and find proof of god in toast. At least my being lives in a world proven to exist. Its more reasonable.
All opinions. Anything else?

Not to mention Im not a christian nor do I use my belief in God as a crutch. I was once atheist lol Nonetheless let me ask you questions

1. Why do you believe in George Washington? I mean all you have is writings and drawings showing he existed right? What PROOF do you have? Yes Im going there lol

2. Just because you say the 32nd dimensional beings exist here does not make it more realistic. Thats you picking sides lol

3. YOU say there is no evidence for God Almighty. While I say that there is no evidence for a LACK of God. Where do we go from here? Are you even gonna tell me why theres no God and hopefully its not the "I cant see Him so He doesnt exist" type logic =/
IamHim

Yukon, OK

#110 Mar 19, 2013
cvor wrote:
<quoted text>
There is very strong evidence to support George Washington's existed and no one has information or credible evidence to even suggest otherwise.
There is strong evidence to support someone named Jesus existed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...
SOME do propose he didn't. Not the case with GW. The only people that suggest it seem to be Christians trying to find a weak angle to play in an argument.
The real question is what did Jesus actually do and say. The biblical accounts in conjunction with outside accounts serve to establish his existence but the bible does not serve as proof that he was who the bible says he was. From the criteria here, the bible does not serve as reliable evidence...for Jesus or "god" in the sky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source
What do you have to prove George Washington existed? WRITINGS? PICTURES? The gov't's word? lol

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