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The christian god is essentially an Atheist

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#1 Mar 10, 2013
An atheist - when it gets down to it is someone that believes there is no "higher power". The Christian god(s) do not believe there is a power greater than them. They do not BELIEVE that such a power EXISTS.
Essentially - the christian god is an ATHEIST.

Those wacked out christians that say Atheists have no morals or are lost and are this...and are that.....should realize the greatest irony of all....that they bow down and center their lives around the most powerful ATHEIST in the universe....the "trinity" LMAO
QUITTNER

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#2 Mar 10, 2013
11:08 am, Sunday, March 10, 2013:
RE: The christian god is essentially an Atheist
Per definition an Atheist does not believe in God, that God exists. I have not seen any proof that God believes in a god, nor in himself. Nor that he doesn't. Unless God believes in some god, God is an atheist. Yes! So what?
..... Very many so-called Christian belief systems exist all over this planet; anyone can invent some more!

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#3 Mar 10, 2013
QUITTNER wrote:
11:08 am, Sunday, March 10, 2013:
RE: The christian god is essentially an Atheist
Per definition an Atheist does not believe in God, that God exists. I have not seen any proof that God believes in a god, nor in himself. Nor that he doesn't. Unless God believes in some god, God is an atheist. Yes! So what?
..... Very many so-called Christian belief systems exist all over this planet; anyone can invent some more!
I have not seen any proof of any god either. The point is that christians BELIEVE their god is an atheist yet many christians condemn atheists for what they BELIEVE their god does (not believing in a higher power). That is the point.
QUITTNER

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#4 Mar 10, 2013
12:04 pm, Sunday, March 10, 2013:
RE: The christian god is essentially an Atheist.
..... cvor, there are many who have and/or have had religious experiences and they were helped when no other help was available. For them that is proof that God exists, but, because that is (quite?) different from what their local clergy are teaching, those clergy would label such people as "Atheists" and may even condemn them.

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#6 Mar 10, 2013
QUITTNER wrote:
12:04 pm, Sunday, March 10, 2013:
RE: The christian god is essentially an Atheist.
..... cvor, there are many who have and/or have had religious experiences and they were helped when no other help was available. For them that is proof that God exists, but, because that is (quite?) different from what their local clergy are teaching, those clergy would label such people as "Atheists" and may even condemn them.
Im just stating a fact. I'm not sure how this has bearing on that. The god of the bible is an atheist.

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#7 Mar 10, 2013
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
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You make a point, cvor, albeit, an extremely remote one, stretched out to the outer limits. It's not likely to blow any Christian's dress up. They don't think in your box of trick logic.
They would simply respond with a barrage of scripture like, "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me!" - Isa 45:5, Deut 4:35, 32:39, Psalm 18:31, Isa 43:10, 44:6,8 "Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."
Thus, by their god's own declaration, they would tell you that, like them, their God is a "Monotheist" and does believe in God,... HIMSELF! Thus, your argument vanishes by the power of their holy book.
So they love the title of your thread, "The christian god is essentially an Atheist". It falls right into their scriptural-bog and quickly sinks. In their eyes your notion is a laugh and they'd riddle it with quotes.
It's like Quittner posted: "So What?"
Might I suggest this title:
"The christian god was created by Atheists!"
Logically, as we know, atheists existed first. At some time, as the human psyche developed, someone imagined there could be a deity, an invisible skygod, or,(most likely) a visible one. My guess would be Sun Worship as the prime mover towards religion, jump-starting belief in god.
The Sun is the largest and most powerful visible object in the sky and vital to human life. The Sun goes away and returns each day. In the cold, fearful night, likely the first worship was to pray for the Sun God to return and provide light and warmth. Thus, Atheism created God(s)!
In fact, the most ancient Egyptian God was the Sun, in support of this.
Now, Christian dresses will be blowing up in droves on that scripturally indisputable notion, cvor! All they could hit us with is the scripture in Psalm 14, that worn-out stand-by, "The fool says, there is no god."
What say Ye?
Hardie-Har-Har!
This is not trick logic. I am not tricking anyone. I simply stated a fact-- one that is often overlooked and not realized. No trick -- no turning water into wine --- no talking serpents--no talking bushes -- no flying in the air after I am dead....just stating the definition of atheism and applying it to the christian god.

The reality is that the concept behind has some serious implications to those christians that have a negative or critical view of atheism.

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#8 Mar 10, 2013
QUITTNER wrote:
12:04 pm, Sunday, March 10, 2013:
RE: The christian god is essentially an Atheist.
..... cvor, there are many who have and/or have had religious experiences and they were helped when no other help was available. For them that is proof that God exists, but, because that is (quite?) different from what their local clergy are teaching, those clergy would label such people as "Atheists" and may even condemn them.
If people were helped by religion I find that said because religion is an outright lie and absurdity. I'd question whether they were truly helped or simply are really avoiding the root cause of the problem. It is beyond me how a belief can ACTUALLY "help" anything. It can motivate or create an illusion. Illusion is not reality and an illusion only creates a false sense of "helping".

So -- if an experience is "proof" and the experience has such grandiose implications, I would suggest speaking to a psychologist because proof this is not. Very often when people are in need, they see things that they want to see. Certainty in things you have no way of knowing about and have no proof of are ways to avoid your problems--not fixing them.

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#9 Mar 10, 2013
cvor wrote:
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If people were helped by religion I find that said because religion is an outright lie and absurdity. I'd question whether they were truly helped or simply are really avoiding the root cause of the problem. It is beyond me how a belief can ACTUALLY "help" anything. It can motivate or create an illusion. Illusion is not reality and an illusion only creates a false sense of "helping".
So -- if an experience is "proof" and the experience has such grandiose implications, I would suggest speaking to a psychologist because proof this is not. Very often when people are in need, they see things that they want to see. Certainty in things you have no way of knowing about and have no proof of are ways to avoid your problems--not fixing them.
Apparently a lot of things are beyond you...

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#10 Mar 10, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Apparently a lot of things are beyond you...
I think that is good when I am surrounding by bull excrement. So- now the one liners are out of the way..care to actually address the post or does confronting reality scare you too much?

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#11 Mar 10, 2013
Indanger--- do you resent the fact that you worship an atheist?

“In God we trust”

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#12 Mar 10, 2013
cvor wrote:
An atheist - when it gets down to it is someone that believes there is no "higher power". The Christian god(s) do not believe there is a power greater than them. They do not BELIEVE that such a power EXISTS.
Essentially - the christian god is an ATHEIST.
Those wacked out christians that say Atheists have no morals or are lost and are this...and are that.....should realize the greatest irony of all....that they bow down and center their lives around the most powerful ATHEIST in the universe....the "trinity" LMAO
God doesn't believe there is a greater power, he knows there isn't a greater power. You know you are technically saying atheists are in a way God.

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#14 Mar 10, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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God doesn't believe there is a greater power, he knows there isn't a greater power.
Knowing and believing when it comes to such things is the same thing. "Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true." How can god know something that is by definition beyond him anyway?

Even if this were not the case...which it isn't.....then all you can do is charge us with not being as knowledgeable. Your god thinks there is no higher power. I also think there is no higher power. It needs to go no further really. You CLAIM your god "knows" there is none.....good for him..he still thinks there is none...just like me.

Is there a problem with this fact?

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#17 Mar 10, 2013
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
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It's a stretch to think the way u do, cvor, esp for fundie chisters, but what u say is sensibly true!
I'm glad this is acknowledged. My hopes are to ultimately get people to think and challenge their beliefs.

NDanger

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#18 Mar 10, 2013
cvor wrote:
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I think that is good when I am surrounding by bull excrement. So- now the one liners are out of the way..care to actually address the post or does confronting reality scare you too much?
You can't debate faith...plain and simple

NDanger

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#19 Mar 10, 2013
cvor wrote:
Indanger--- do you resent the fact that you worship an atheist?
Actually, the definition of atheist is: specifically the position that there are no deities.

So, GOD knows HE is a Diety. End of discussion...or didn't you catch that...

Roland_Deschain

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#20 Mar 10, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Actually, the definition of atheist is: specifically the position that there are no deities.
It's not as clear cut as you make out. The majority of atheists are at (6) below. You on the other hand are quite obviously at (1).

"1) Strong Theist: I do not question the existence of God, I KNOW he exists.
2) De-facto Theist: I cannot know for certain but I strongly believe in God and I live my life on the assumption that he is there.
3) Weak Theist: I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God.
4) Pure Agnostic: God’s existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable.
5) Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists but I’m inclined to be skeptical.
6) De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable and I live my life under the assumption that he is not there.
7) Strong Atheist: I am 100% sure that there is no God."

http://christophersisk.com/dawkins-belief-sca...
IamHim

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#21 Mar 10, 2013
cvor wrote:
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I'm glad this is acknowledged. My hopes are to ultimately get people to think and challenge their beliefs.
Why?

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#22 Mar 10, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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You can't debate faith...plain and simple
You can acknowledge it and the elements around it being irrational. You can also challenge it.

SDo do you acknowledge that the bible is of anonymous authorship and isn't verified as accurate by standard scientific/historic analysis...and it has no evidence of being true.......and has no more proof than any other religion?

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#23 Mar 10, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Actually, the definition of atheist is: specifically the position that there are no deities.
So, GOD knows HE is a Diety. End of discussion...or didn't you catch that...
The man made term of atheist was designed to apply to humans..not the divine. One must get to the core of the meaning to apply it to the divine. The core characteristic so it is universally applicable is belief in a power greater than yourself.

With that --- the god of the bible is an Atheist.

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#24 Mar 10, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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Why?
because I don't like people believing lies and teaching young children lies before they are old enough to make up their minds

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