God kills Christians in S.F. plane crash

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#165 Jul 14, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
You're making huge leaps, and none of them are logical.
Ironic indeed!

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#166 Jul 14, 2013
Job wrote:
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Alright! Third try!
We rebuke China and Afghanistan for removing Buddhist artifacts. We have American tourists who are upset because China would make for a much better tourist attraction if they "had not" removed so many Buddhist artifacts.
Now that you got it "right", so?
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#168 Jul 14, 2013
Jay Smith wrote:
You don't know the true nature of the monster God called Yahweh.
The real Master Christ. You haven't read the doctrine. Women are to shut there mouths and worship and serve there men, and to cover their heads during prayer.
According to this guy:
http://slayingevil.files.wordpress.com/2010/0...
The real Master Christ is looks like a negro according to Revelation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =kwOU_2lXFFcXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
The real nature of Yahweh:
Porn, Murder and Rape are recorded and commanded by Yahweh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
Old Testament Commands and actions(allow ments) by God(Master Christ):-----Child abuse: Deuteronomy 5:9, 21:18-21
Racism: Deuteronomy 7:2-5, 7:14, 15:3, 17:15, 20:16-18, 23:3-6, 23:19-20, 26:18-19, 33:29
Slavery: Deuteronomy 15:12-18, 17:10-11, 21:10-14, Leviticus 25:44-46
Murder: Deuteronomy 22:13-21, 22:22
Rape: Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Hatred: Deuteronomy 22:5, 23:1, 23:2, 23:17-18, 24:1-4, 25:11-12, 25:13-16, 27:22
Totalitarianism: Deuteronomy 27:26, 28:15-68, 29:23-28, Mark 12 :29-30
I see exactly what you mean NDanger!
NDanger wrote:
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Your post is so spot on. Once they admit it, they are on the hotseat for the possibility of GOD existing...then they are SOL...

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#169 Jul 14, 2013
Job wrote:
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I see exactly what you mean NDanger!
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The problem with Nd's argument (that God "might" exist) is that the same criteria used for his claim about God is valid for any claim about any deity from any religion.

There are some 15,000 deities known from various religions around the world.

If God "might" exist, then so too "might" Thor.

Acting in a way that would benefit you on the off chance that the Jews were right would necessarily harm you on the off chance that someone else was right.

Since the odds are 1:15,000 (ASSUMING that a deity exists at all), picking one in particular is doomed to failure.

Now further complicate that by the fact that virtually no Christians actually obey anything in the Bible and you've got a real problem on your hands.
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#170 Jul 14, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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1) AND in MN (St Cloud Tech HS) Muslim student are allowed to wash their feet and genitalia in the student's washroom sinks and have Prayer rooms. Yet the Christian's can't have scripture on signs...double standard No?

2) I think the FFRF picks and chooses which to pick on as they don't want to stand up to CAIRN or the ACLU...
And speaking of the ACLU, 1 point of irony I did read was that the ACLU was actually defending something FOR the Christians in a recent case...will wonders never cease...
1. Yes, and something similar in Michigan. This is what may be part of what "Nuggin" is saying when referencing Christians who scream bloody murder (whatever "screaming bloody murder" is supposed to mean).

DEARBORN — The Council on American Islamic Relations of Michigan (CAIR-MI) staff recently met with Dearborn Public Schools Superintendent Brian Whiston to discuss concerns from some parents regarding prayer accommodations in Dearborn Public Schools.

Dearborn Public Schools has implemented a policy which fully accommodates student-led prayer in all the schools, as well as unexcused absences for students who leave early on Fridays for Jumu'ah prayers. CAIR-MI is currently in discussion with Melvindale Public Schools to get similar accommodations for students that are now in place for Dearborn Public Schools.

And in similar fashion to what you stated, Christians are prohibited in this state to pray in public schools.

The whole theme I think in what we're seeing here is sort of a retributionary idea that because Christians have been the majority for so long, most politicians confess to be Christians, etc., that somehow this is justification for a lot of the nonsense we are now seeing. Its illogical nature is being revealed through "some" avenues of support we see for Sharia Law. How illogical can one get when supporting something like Sharia Law (in the U.S. and UK)? It almost appears as if some are willing to see people victimized just because of some twisted idea of 'balancing' things out in terms of supposed religious equality.

2. Great point! I don't think the FFRF really cares much about Muslims and Hindus in my opnion. The tendency is that when Christians somehow express disapproval of Islam, whether it be by actions 'or' religious doctrine, we are accused of vilifying them. But at the same time it seems that it's generally the same people who will address their (Muslims) actions of terrorism, and use it to address a problem in/of religion in general (Religion is responsible for the world's problems, which by no strange coincidence ends up including Christianity).

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#171 Jul 14, 2013
Job wrote:
And in similar fashion to what you stated, Christians are prohibited in this state to pray in public schools.
This is not the case, has never been the case, never will be the case and would be utterly impossible to enforce if it were the case.

How the F is a teacher supposed to know if a student is silently praying to themselves while she's handing out quizzes?

It's these sort of claims which are constantly being made by Christians that cause those of us in the REAL WORLD to question your ability to tell the truth about anything.

There is a WORLD of difference between an INDIVIDUAL doing something, an voluntary after school GROUP doing something and a ENTIRE SCHOOL assembly being forced to sit through something.
The whole theme I think in what we're seeing here is sort of a retributionary idea that because Christians have been the majority for so long, most politicians confess to be Christians, etc., that somehow this is justification for a lot of the nonsense we are now seeing. Its illogical nature is being revealed through "some" avenues of support we see for Sharia Law.
First of all, NO WHERE is Sharia Law being supported or enforced in the US.

Second, in a recent bill to BAN Sharia Law (useless) Christian politicians inserted their own CHRISTIAN law _WITHOUT_ irony.
How illogical can one get when supporting something like Sharia Law
Allowing Islamic students to leave early on Friday is not "Sharia Law".
It almost appears as if some are willing to see people victimized just because of some twisted idea of 'balancing' things out in terms of supposed religious equality.
In what way SPECIFICALLY are you being "victimized" by allowing Islamic students to leave early on Friday?
I don't think the FFRF really cares much about Muslims and Hindus in my opnion.
Correct. Because there are NO MUSLIMS or HINDUS trying to force people to do things their way the way Christians are.

When was the last time you saw a FoxNews report about the Hindus talking about the "War on (Name a Hindu Holiday if you can)".

Meanwhile, for a MONTH every December, Fox News bitches and moans that people _DARE_ to say "Happy Holidays" acknowledging that there are 4 - 6 Holidays which all fall within a very short period. Only ONE of which is Christmas.
The tendency is that when Christians somehow express disapproval of Islam, whether it be by actions 'or' religious doctrine, we are accused of vilifying them.
You LITERALLY just said that you were _VICTIMIZED_ by the fact that these Muslim children are being allowed to leave early on Friday.

THAT'S vilifying them.
But at the same time it seems that it's generally the same people who will address their (Muslims) actions of terrorism, and use it to address a problem in/of religion in general
Christian acts of Terror FAR outnumber Muslim acts of terror. Look at the actions of the KKK alone.
(Religion is responsible for the world's problems, which by no strange coincidence ends up including Christianity).
Christianity is a religion.

The biggest current crisis facing the world is climate change. US politicians are doing nothing about it because... They are Christians and believe that Jesus is coming back any day now.

Literally destroying the world for their children because their make believe bedtime story says they don't have to care.
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#172 Jul 14, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Lots. Look at any fight over taking the 10 commandments out of schools or removing "in God we trust" from money, or the pledge, or instituting neutral holiday celebrations.
In all these cases, the Christians are claiming its unfair to recognize that, for example, Hindus are Americans who's religion doesn't worship the Jewish God _and_ who don't recognize the concept of a singular god.
Then look at the fact that Christian groups have protested "Islamic Awareness" in schools where children are taught (not compelled to engage in prayer btw) what the Islamic culture is like.(Now, you could argue that schools should be teaching this at all, but the Christians aren't saying that.)
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2010/07/05/flor...
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2. If those Cheerleaders want to put that scripture on their car bumper, it's not a problem. If they want to put it on a sign they are using to cheer at a football game, it's a problem.
It's a problem because it promotes one particular religion over another USING THE MONEY from the other religion to fund the event. If a Hindu/Atheist/Buddhist/Etc lives in this town and pays their taxes, they shouldn't see their taxes go to paying for a Football game which includes a Bible study lesson about how their religion is wrong.

3. I don't know the monument you are talking about, but a similar situation in California (I believe) includes a big cross which is a WWI (I think) monument in a State/Federal park. Same problem. MY money going to pay for YOUR religion.
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No. No one is complaining that the Taliban got rid of plastic Buddha bobble heads at a local corner store. They are complaining that the Taliband destroyed a world heritage site that contained giant Buddhas.
No Atheists are demanding that Native American rock art be destroyed (even in public parks) because it depicts something that might be religious. Ditto, none of them are demanding that Boston's "Old North Church" not be a publicly funded historical site.
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Yes, that's what I said. "Christians".
1. Do you think the "5 Pillars Of Islam" should be forced on students?

Another school has been “teaching” Islam by having students study and learn Muslim prayers and dress as Muslims, and a lawyer who argued a previous dispute over this issue to the U.S. Supreme Court said such methodologies wouldn’t “last 10 seconds” if it were Christianity being taught.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2006/10/38269/#RZoXO8V7Y5O...

I understand what you are saying, but do you understand that we're not introducing another flavor of ice cream to Baskin Robbins? When 'any' non-Muslim is so naive as to entertain the idea of supporting Sharia Law, there's something seriously wrong?

2. Are you aware that the cheerleaders 'won' the court battle. What they did was 'not' unconstitutional? Do you think the court was wrong?

If the FFRF was claiming that the scriptures used were in any way putting other religions down, then dishonesty is at play here. No one was offended. The only people who were offended were these FFRF folks who weren't even there.

3. I had to refresh my memory. This statue is an historic landmark in Montana.

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional...

And again, the FFRF 'lost' the case. Do you think the court was wrong?
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#173 Jul 14, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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This is not the case, has never been the case, never will be the case and would be utterly impossible to enforce if it were the case.
How the F is a teacher supposed to know if a student is silently praying to themselves while she's handing out quizzes?
It's these sort of claims which are constantly being made by Christians that cause those of us in the REAL WORLD to question your ability to tell the truth about anything.
There is a WORLD of difference between an INDIVIDUAL doing something, an voluntary after school GROUP doing something and a ENTIRE SCHOOL assembly being forced to sit through something.
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2. First of all, NO WHERE is Sharia Law being supported or enforced in the US.
Second, in a recent bill to BAN Sharia Law (useless) Christian politicians inserted their own CHRISTIAN law _WITHOUT_ irony.
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Allowing Islamic students to leave early on Friday is not "Sharia Law".
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In what way SPECIFICALLY are you being "victimized" by allowing Islamic students to leave early on Friday?
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Meanwhile, for a MONTH every December, Fox News bitches and moans that people _DARE_ to say "Happy Holidays" acknowledging that there are 4 - 6 Holidays which all fall within a very short period. Only ONE of which is Christmas.
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You LITERALLY just said that you were _VICTIMIZED_ by the fact that these Muslim children are being allowed to leave early on Friday.
THAT'S vilifying them.
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3. Correct. Because there are NO MUSLIMS or HINDUS trying to force people to do things their way the way Christians are.
When was the last time you saw a FoxNews report about the Hindus talking about the "War on (Name a Hindu Holiday if you can)".

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Meanwhile, for a MONTH every December, Fox News bitches and moans that people _DARE_ to say "Happy Holidays" acknowledging that there are 4 - 6 Holidays which all fall within a very short period. Only ONE of which is Christmas.
1. What does 'silent','personal','undetecte d' prayer have to do with the article I posted?

2. No, I literally did 'not' claim I was victimized in any way shape or form. I made no mention of myself personally whatsoever.
http://www.wnd.com/2011/10/360081/

3. You don't hear much about them complaining about attacks on their holidays, but you also don't hear them complain much about scriptures on football game signs, references to the 10 Commandments, etc.

4. I personally don't think about it much. I think a lot of people see the demands of removal of things like the Nativity in public as silly (and so do I quite frankly). I do support protests 'against' changing the wordings of holidays, because I do see a "give an inch, take a mile" approach from groups like the FFRF.
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#174 Jul 14, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
1. Christian acts of Terror FAR outnumber Muslim acts of terror. Look at the actions of the KKK alone.
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2. Christianity is a religion.
The biggest current crisis facing the world is climate change. US politicians are doing nothing about it because... They are Christians and believe that Jesus is coming back any day now.
Literally destroying the world for their children because their make believe bedtime story says they don't have to care.
1. I've said it many times, and will say it again; the atrocities committed by atheist regimes, in such a relatively short period of time, more than make up for atrocities committed by 'any' religions.

2. Another problem is complete lack of discernment concerning Christianity. Bill Clinton and Obama profess to be Christians. How do you know which professed Christians believe Jesus is coming back?

Another prime example of lack of discernment is the reference to Hitler being an evangelical Christian. However, somehow the Christian founding fathers (specifically the more heroic ones like George Washington) seem to have magically transformed into deists.
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#175 Jul 14, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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The problem with Nd's argument (that God "might" exist) is that the same criteria used for his claim about God is valid for any claim about any deity from any religion.
There are some 15,000 deities known from various religions around the world.
If God "might" exist, then so too "might" Thor.
Acting in a way that would benefit you on the off chance that the Jews were right would necessarily harm you on the off chance that someone else was right.
Since the odds are 1:15,000 (ASSUMING that a deity exists at all), picking one in particular is doomed to failure.
Now further complicate that by the fact that virtually no Christians actually obey anything in the Bible and you've got a real problem on your hands.
Being that I don't think it's wise to completely out rule personal testimonies (or do you think we should?), how many people are suggesting that Thor actually exists?
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#176 Jul 14, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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I don't think you're paying attention.
If something created the universe, that does NOT mean that that "something" has a moral imperative, nor does it mean that it wants or expects reverence.
It's a long stretch to go from the creator of the universe, if there is one, to the Christian God. First of all the Christian God is non-existent. Second, as I pointed out, you cannot extrapolate a moral cod from the creation of the cosmos.
You're making huge leaps, and none of them are logical.
I think I understand what you're saying quite well. The problem is that you keep reverting back to the God of the Bible that you claim cannot exist. I'm addressing the "It",'because' you maintain the "It" may 'possibly' exist. And it doesn't matter what you think the chance/ratio is.

What I'm referring to is "human judgment", in this case,'your' "human judgment". When the court decides a party is 'guilty', it doesn't matter whether or not the convicted party has a moral code. Yes, you can 'ignore' the issue, but in reality even the existence of an "It", even if void of morality, emotion, etc., allows, if not causes, the same things that you accuse the Biblical God of (even in the context of not existing in your view).

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#177 Jul 14, 2013
Job wrote:
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1. Do you think the "5 Pillars Of Islam" should be forced on students?
Another school has been “teaching” Islam by having students study and learn Muslim prayers and dress as Muslims,
Do you not grasp the difference between studying something and forcing something on someone?

For example, I'm sure just about EVERY school in the US teaches "Thanksgiving" at some point in the first 3 grades.

They aren't _forcing_ Students into Paganism or the Native American Church, even if they ask the children to draw pictures of "Indian Corn" or "Hand Turkeys".

Learning what the 5 pillars of Islam are, or being aware of various garb, is not indoctrination into that religion. It's called cross cultural study.

Just like the students learn about Egypt and the Pharaohs. Just like the students learn about Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece and probably dress up in togas for a day. Just like students learn about Vikings and wear hats with horns.
I understand what you are saying, but do you understand that we're not introducing another flavor of ice cream to Baskin Robbins? When 'any' non-Muslim is so naive as to entertain the idea of supporting Sharia Law, there's something seriously wrong?
NO ONE ANYWHERE IS SUGGESTING INSTITUTING SHARIA LAW.

Tattoo that on your forehead. This is an ENTIRELY MADE UP thing by FoxNews.

_AND_ it's no different than what is ACTUALLY happening which is CHRISTIAN THEOCRACY which is being pushed through.
2. Are you aware that the cheerleaders 'won' the court battle. What they did was 'not' unconstitutional? Do you think the court was wrong?
If the Cheerleaders receive funding from the school, then yes.
If the Cheerleaders are paying for their own uniforms, then I can see an argument for their freedom to do whatever.

I am not a cheerleader. I don't know how they get their clothes, or whether or not they are funded by the school at all.
If the FFRF was claiming that the scriptures used were in any way putting other religions down, then dishonesty is at play here. No one was offended.
First, you can't know that. You didn't interview everyone there.

Second, the mere fact that they are scriptures IS putting some people down. It's inherently denigrating people of other religions.

Remember, Christians UNIVERSALLY REJECT the rights of other religions to exist. It's a tenant of Christianity.
3. I had to refresh my memory. This statue is an historic landmark in Montana.
http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional...
And again, the FFRF 'lost' the case. Do you think the court was wrong?
Actually, it's not. For a landmark to have historic significance it must have SOME ALTERNATE importance.

The Old North Church in Boston is not a landmark because it's a church. It's a landmark because of the role it played in the Revolution.

Merely being Old and Jesus-y does not a landmark make.

Yes, the court was wrong. As is frequently the case given that so many Christians hold positions of power and turn a blind eye to their own abuse of that power.

What do you think would have happened if the exact same scenario was going on but instead of a statue of Jesus it was a giant statue of Satan? You think the court would have upheld it? Doubt it.

In fact, I would think that the Christians would have gone out there enmasse and defaced the statue. So much for rights.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#178 Jul 14, 2013
Job wrote:
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Being that I don't think it's wise to completely out rule personal testimonies (or do you think we should?), how many people are suggesting that Thor actually exists?
Currently, not many. However, there were more people believing in Thor at one point than believed in Jesus.

So, if you want to go with majority rules, then you must admit that by that standard at one point there was no "God" as your religion postulates.

Which negates your religion entirely.

As for personal testimonies, OBVIOUSLY we discount them. They are completely worthless.

Let's look at some pretty clear cut facts:

- The vast majority of members of any religions are the religion of their parents. In other words, your religion is "right" because your mother told you it was right, not because of some inherent truth. Had you been raised in a different religion, you would believe with the same amount of fervor that THAT was the correct religion.

- At no point in the entire history of the world has a group with one religion stumbled upon an as of yet contacted group that had the exact same religion. Columbus didn't land in America to find it populated with Catholics.
- Marco Polo didn't go to China to find them all Christians.
- Hindu traders didn't arrive in the Middle East to discover that everyone there cherish cows and the lotus.
- Vikings didn't raid England to find the people there worshiping Thor.

If any deity was actually real, it should have been COMMON PLACE that any two groups from any two points of the world would have nearly identical belief systems.

Never happened even once.

Lastly, if faith healing and miracles were real there never would have been any development of medicine. Think about it. Prayer is free and available to all. If it actually cured ANYTHING, no one would have ever had to come up with any sort of medicine.

It's all just a big fairy tale. Deep down you know it. It's OBVIOUS.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#179 Jul 14, 2013
Job wrote:
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I think I understand what you're saying quite well. The problem is that you keep reverting back to the God of the Bible that you claim cannot exist. I'm addressing the "It",'because' you maintain the "It" may 'possibly' exist. And it doesn't matter what you think the chance/ratio is.
What I'm referring to is "human judgment", in this case,'your' "human judgment". When the court decides a party is 'guilty', it doesn't matter whether or not the convicted party has a moral code. Yes, you can 'ignore' the issue, but in reality even the existence of an "It", even if void of morality, emotion, etc., allows, if not causes, the same things that you accuse the Biblical God of (even in the context of not existing in your view).
You are going a looooong way around and still not reaching your destination.

There doesn't need to be a causer for an effect to happen.

Lightning strikes not because of the divine will of a Jewish Wizard or a Norse Warrior, but as a result of a different in charge between the ground and the cloud.

It's not random at all, in fact. If people had sufficient ability to detect the build up, we'd be able to predict with 100% accuracy when and where lightning will strike.

Unfortunately, seeing electromagnetic fields is not something we can do easily.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#180 Jul 14, 2013
Job wrote:
4. I personally don't think about it much. I think a lot of people see the demands of removal of things like the Nativity in public as silly (and so do I quite frankly). I do support protests 'against' changing the wordings of holidays, because I do see a "give an inch, take a mile" approach from groups like the FFRF.
Well Steve, let me explain it to you a little more clearly.

You and your fellow bigots would throw an epic sh1t storm if someone were to DARE to put a statue of Ganesh the elephant headed deity of Hinduism on the front lawn of City Hall.

That is EXACTLY the same as using public funds to put up a statue of Jesus.

Got that Steve?

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#181 Jul 14, 2013
Job wrote:
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1. I've said it many times, and will say it again; the atrocities committed by atheist regimes, in such a relatively short period of time, more than make up for atrocities committed by 'any' religions.
Except that in order to make this claim you have to pretend that Stalin and China were both atheist regimes. They were not.

In fact, there have been no atheist regimes. There have been no atheist criminal organizations. There have been no atheist acts of terror.

Find me the atheist equivalent of the KKK. I dare you.
2. Another problem is complete lack of discernment concerning Christianity. Bill Clinton and Obama profess to be Christians. How do you know which professed Christians believe Jesus is coming back?
Because the conservatives have LITERALLY answered polls about it. They LITERALLY have stated on the record that they believe we are living in the "end times" and that Jesus will come back "any day now". Thus they see any policy like averting climate change to be a waste of time.

I'm not infering this. They are STATING it.
Another prime example of lack of discernment is the reference to Hitler being an evangelical Christian. However, somehow the Christian founding fathers (specifically the more heroic ones like George Washington) seem to have magically transformed into deists.
Actually, the founding fathers WERE deists. Even a very cursory glance at their writing shows this.

Hitler, however, was not an evangelical Christian. Though the Nazis were Christians.

Frankly, the evangelical Christians are far worse than Hitler. Hitler was power hungry and cruel, but he was at least trying to build what he thought was a better future for Germany.

Evangelical Christians want a worse future. They want the end of the world.

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#182 Jul 14, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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No.
1)First of all, ALL STUDENTS are allowed to wash whatever they want in the sinks. That's not a Muslim specialty.
Second, the Christian students ARE ALSO allowed prayer rooms.
Third, the MUSLIM students are ALSO NOT allowed to put scripture on signs.
2)A double standard is when two different groups have two different access. In this case all groups have the SAME ACCESS.
Yet, you Xian's bitch about it because you don't want other people to be EQUAL. You feel that EQUAL is unfair to you.
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That's not ironic, you dipshit.
The ACLU defends the BILL OF RIGHTS. If the Government violates the BILL OF RIGHTS (be it in a way that effects Atheists, Christians, Black Panthers, the KKK, Rush Limbaugh, etc) then the ACLU steps in to PROTECT THE BILL OF RIGHTS.
What specifically do you hate about the Bill of Rights that you dislike the ACLU?
1) Right...like anyone 'other' than the muslim caught washing their privates in the sink wouldn't do time?

2)YOU are so naive...No, that's NOT equal, it's downright NASTY.
Unfair my azz, it's a health issue...

The ACLU has a very long history of attempting to take away the Christian right, so yes, fluckstick, it is ironic...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#183 Jul 14, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Except that in order to make this claim you have to pretend that Stalin and China were both atheist regimes. They were not.
In fact, there have been no atheist regimes. There have been no atheist criminal organizations. There have been no atheist acts of terror.
Find me the atheist equivalent of the KKK. I dare you.
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Because the conservatives have LITERALLY answered polls about it. They LITERALLY have stated on the record that they believe we are living in the "end times" and that Jesus will come back "any day now". Thus they see any policy like averting climate change to be a waste of time.
I'm not infering this. They are STATING it.
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Actually, the founding fathers WERE deists. Even a very cursory glance at their writing shows this.
Hitler, however, was not an evangelical Christian. Though the Nazis were Christians.
Frankly, the evangelical Christians are far worse than Hitler. Hitler was power hungry and cruel, but he was at least trying to build what he thought was a better future for Germany.
Evangelical Christians want a worse future. They want the end of the world.
Actually, the only prerequisite was that they (future Nazis) were not atheists. They could be any religion. Oh, they only made up 7% of the German military in WWII...

So stating they were ALL Christians is a bit of a stretch...I personally knew 3 that weren't...
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#184 Jul 14, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Do you not grasp the difference between studying something and forcing something on someone?
For example, I'm sure just about EVERY school in the US teaches "Thanksgiving" at some point in the first 3 grades.
They aren't _forcing_ Students into Paganism or the Native American Church, even if they ask the children to draw pictures of "Indian Corn" or "Hand Turkeys".
Learning what the 5 pillars of Islam are, or being aware of various garb, is not indoctrination into that religion. It's called cross cultural study.
Just like the students learn about Egypt and the Pharaohs. Just like the students learn about Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece and probably dress up in togas for a day. Just like students learn about Vikings and wear hats with horns.
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2. NO ONE ANYWHERE IS SUGGESTING INSTITUTING SHARIA LAW.
Tattoo that on your forehead. This is an ENTIRELY MADE UP thing by FoxNews.

3._AND_ it's no different than what is ACTUALLY happening which is CHRISTIAN THEOCRACY which is being pushed through.
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1. I think the point that is being made is that once something like this is placed in a Christian 'format', then all of a sudden it becomes an issue of forcing kids to being exposed to the Christian religion. Yes, I'm sure they still teach the historicity of "Thanksgiving". What do think the emphasis is on? Do you think they teach it in context of it's Christian relevance? Whatever is taught in public schools is done so in such a way to remove any Christian influence/relevance as much as possible. Do you think they somehow teach the "5 Pillars Of Islam" apart from it's Muslim context? It can be done with Thanksgiving. It can be done with Easter (at least I never saw much Biblical relevance to bunnies and egg hunts). It can be done with Christmas (as we can very clearly see). But the "5 Pillars Of Islam"?

2. Uh no. This is an event that really happened. It was eventually 'overturned', but it happened. Perhaps I make some clarification. As I stated, there are 'some' who seem to support the idea of allowing Sharia Law to be practiced. I don't know how many. I don't think they are the majority. But this case, which is not made up by FOX or anyone, is an example. What it reveals is that there is obvious confusion when it comes to the issue of religious equality.

3. Examples please....

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#185 Jul 14, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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1) Right...like anyone 'other' than the muslim caught washing their privates in the sink wouldn't do time?
The person who would do time would be the adult bathroom monitor who spends all day trying to observe children washing themselves.

As I recall, in many school students were REQUIRED to shower after Gym.
2)YOU are so naive...No, that's NOT equal, it's downright NASTY.
Equality is when both groups are allowed to do the same thing. You may elect not to do it, that doesn't mean it's not equal.

If you choose to not wash yourself, that is your right.
Unfair my azz, it's a health issue...
Person puts hand soap on hand. Person washes self. Person rinses off hand. Person dries themselves with paper towel.

Unless you are sticking your hands on that person, there's no health issue.
The ACLU has a very long history of attempting to take away the Christian right, so yes, fluckstick, it is ironic...
Name one time in which the ACLU has taken away Christian rights.

You can't. It's never happened.

The problem is you THINK that Christians have the "right" to force other people to pay for their religious expression. They don't.

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