US 'prayer cure' couple lose appeal o...

US 'prayer cure' couple lose appeal over child's death

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“My name is Trunks...”

Since: Jun 10

the alternate future

#2 Jul 3, 2013
How bad can they be?

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#3 Jul 3, 2013
No comments from the Christians defending their mythology?

“TO HATE SOMEONE SIMPLY FOR WHO”

Since: Aug 08

THEY ARE IS WRONG!!!

#4 Jul 3, 2013
These parents should face the same sort of pain and suffering that their daughter went through before dying......and some will defend these people.....how pathetic is that?

“It's all in your head”

Since: Dec 12

Ballwin, MO

#5 Jul 3, 2013
Really sad and it goes on and on.

“TO HATE SOMEONE SIMPLY FOR WHO”

Since: Aug 08

THEY ARE IS WRONG!!!

#6 Jul 3, 2013
John from Texas wrote:
Really sad and it goes on and on.
I guess I hurt somebody's feelings........to bad!!!

“It's all in your head”

Since: Dec 12

Ballwin, MO

#7 Jul 3, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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I guess I hurt somebody's feelings........to bad!!!
Yeah, because their feeling are their own responsibility and no one else's.

I decided a long time ago it was absolutely worthless to get my feelings hurt. I don't have time for that.

“TO HATE SOMEONE SIMPLY FOR WHO”

Since: Aug 08

THEY ARE IS WRONG!!!

#8 Jul 3, 2013
John from Texas wrote:
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Yeah, because their feeling are their own responsibility and no one else's.
I decided a long time ago it was absolutely worthless to get my feelings hurt. I don't have time for that.
People think I care about those little icons.....I don't and I stand by my comment.....they should suffer like they made her suffer!!!

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#9 Jul 3, 2013
Well, is THAT the "best" you Christians can do to defend your prayer mythology, give negative judgeicons?

Your "god" is suppose to answer >>>ALL<<< your prayers, yet the child is dead. So where was your "god"?

The parent's prayers were NOT answered.

Now she will never laugh again.

She will never have any more good times.

She will never fall in love.

She will never see another sunset to stir her soul.

She will not have any tomorrows to look forward to.

The child is now DEAD!!

All because her idiot parents believed in a silly primitive mythology.

They are total idiots, and so is anyone else who believes prayers work. They didn't. They don't.

The child is now DEAD!!!!

Since: May 09

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#10 Jul 4, 2013
It would be nice to see their spiritual advisors (pastor, priest, etc) brought before the courts too. I'm sure the parents didn't learn that bs on their own.

The way I see it, the parents are the legal equivalent of drug addicts, while the priest is the drug dealer.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#14 Jul 6, 2013
If I pray to a tree will it answer my prayers threadstarter?

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#16 Jul 6, 2013
Lord Stannis wrote:
Separate prisons, in the general inmate population. Let them get brutally gang-raped for killing a child.
Cover their cell walls with smiling pictures of the child they killed.
little lamb

Australia

#17 Jul 6, 2013
Seentheotherside wrote:
Well, is THAT the "best" you Christians can do to defend your prayer mythology, give negative judgeicons?
Your "god" is suppose to answer >>>ALL<<< your prayers, yet the child is dead. So where was your "god"?
The parent's prayers were NOT answered.
Now she will never laugh again.
She will never have any more good times.
She will never fall in love.
She will never see another sunset to stir her soul.
She will not have any tomorrows to look forward to.
The child is now DEAD!!
All because her idiot parents believed in a silly primitive mythology.
They are total idiots, and so is anyone else who believes prayers work. They didn't. They don't.
The child is now DEAD!!!!
But then Martha and Mary petitioned Jesus to heal their brother Lazarus...and he deliberately tarried..

So that when he did turn up ' they told him its too late , he has been dead for four days..'

No problem for Jesus ..he just went to the grave of Lazarus and told him to come out.

Death is not the end of matters for a Christian...after all you are going to die yourself one of these days..sooner or later..whats the difference??
little lamb

Australia

#18 Jul 6, 2013
I find the account of Lazarus very interesting...people assume Jesus has to jump, instantly to their very petition..but he does answer and he does it in such a way , that he glorifies his Father.

Jesus says ' I am the resurrection and the life"

he doesn't say " i will be" and he doesn't say ' I was" he says " I AM.' present tense.

“Life Force One”

Since: Mar 09

The Spiritual Universe

#20 Jul 6, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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But then Martha and Mary petitioned Jesus to heal their brother Lazarus...and he deliberately tarried..
So that when he did turn up ' they told him its too late , he has been dead for four days..'
No problem for Jesus ..he just went to the grave of Lazarus and told him to come out.
You brainwashed fundies are unbelievably stupid.

It's just a MYTH you idiot. That has not one thing to do with the fact that prayer does NOT work, and a child is DEAD because some morons tried prayer rather than actually DOING something to save their child.
little lamb wrote:
Death is not the end of matters for a Christian...after all you are going to die yourself one of these days..sooner or later..whats the difference??
So if a mugger tries to kill you, you wouldn't care if he did, because it's "not the end"?

Or if you come to a red light, do you go ahead anyway, because death is "not the end"?

Or if you get gravely ill, you are not going to even TRY to get medical help, because death is "not the end"?

Stinking liar.

Your life means everything to you, and you will do anything to prolong it. And this child had the same right to life, and did not want to give it up either. But her life is all gone now! All because of a couple of fundie idiots.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#21 Jul 6, 2013
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
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Just as well as the imaginary Christian "god" answered the prayers of these idiotic parents.
Yes. These parents could have their own imagined god made up in their head. BELIEVING they are worshiping whoever but in reality its their own made up version of another being. Doesnt prove anything one way or another. You know that though you're just being biased..... AS USUAL
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
It doesn't matter what or who you pray to
Au contrair my friend lol. Lets say I wanted for whatever reason to pray to your or Star Reborn or whichever other account you go on's god. If I adressed your/star Reborn's god as Phillip Banks would he answer? Not that I would necessarily expect him to answer even if I asked him directly, HE WOULD NOT. I would have to know EXACTLY who I am praying to. Its like me asking you if you know Phil. You would be like "phil who?" On the otherhand people use the term "god" for alot of different things. Such as people,items, creations such as the stars, moon, sun etc... and a variety of other things. So when praying to "god" who are you praying to would be the question I asked the parents.
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
Whatever will happen, will happen. Prayer will have NO effect upon it.
And may I ask how you know this for a fact?
little lamb

Australia

#22 Jul 6, 2013
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
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You brainwashed fundies are unbelievably stupid.
It's just a MYTH you idiot. That has not one thing to do with the fact that prayer does NOT work, and a child is DEAD because some morons tried prayer rather than actually DOING something to save their child.
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So if a mugger tries to kill you, you wouldn't care if he did, because it's "not the end"?
Or if you come to a red light, do you go ahead anyway, because death is "not the end"?
Or if you get gravely ill, you are not going to even TRY to get medical help, because death is "not the end"?
Stinking liar.
Your life means everything to you, and you will do anything to prolong it. And this child had the same right to life, and did not want to give it up either. But her life is all gone now! All because of a couple of fundie idiots.
Well Jesus tells us he is the resurrection and life and we believe him.

We also believe that 'salvation' means rescue from sin and the causes of sin' which is sickness and pain.

After all it is 'sin' that causes death

We also believe that we are supposed to be 'seeking the Kingdom of God and his righteousness' to find the things that have kindly been given to us by God

We are told
" Whether Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things now here or things to come, all things belong to you" 1 Cor3 [22]

now that is an amazing scripture..i wonder if other Christians have found it and pondered over it.

after all Jesus sends us out to preach the good news , heal the sick and raise the dead...

Is anything impossible for our God..nope..
little lamb

Australia

#24 Jul 6, 2013
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
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And I find the account of Batman very interesting... people think that Batman has to jump, instantly to the every call, but he does it in such a way that in the end, he's the hero of Gotham City!
See that is your trouble..you have been brought up on myths that are unreal..

even Santa Claus who gives presents but is unreal..and because as little ones you have been fed such fairy tales..

you have lost your perceptive powers to know the reality of Jesus Christ. The only NAME given among men for salvation..these other guys 'superman' batman' flash etc..are just myths that have taken you in...they can't save you ...they are just lies.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#25 Jul 7, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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See that is your trouble..you have been brought up on myths that are unreal..
even Santa Claus who gives presents but is unreal..and because as little ones you have been fed such fairy tales..
you have lost your perceptive powers to know the reality of Jesus Christ. The only NAME given among men for salvation..these other guys 'superman' batman' flash etc..are just myths that have taken you in...they can't save you ...they are just lies.
Jesus said you are going to hell because you are not his disciple.

Jesus said you are not a Christian.

Luke, Chapter 14, 33: So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Since: Feb 10

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#27 Jul 7, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Is anything impossible for our God..nope..
Can he make a five sided square?

Nope - epic fail.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#28 Jul 7, 2013
little lamb wrote:
I find the account of Lazarus very interesting...people assume Jesus has to jump, instantly to their very petition..but he does answer and he does it in such a way , that he glorifies his Father.
Jesus says ' I am the resurrection and the life"
he doesn't say " i will be" and he doesn't say ' I was" he says " I AM.' present tense.
So Lazarus rose from the dead - and then what? Is he still roaming the Earth? He'd be pretty easy to recognize, wouldn't he?

Or did Lazarus die again? If he did, then do you know what does that say about Jesus' power to raise the dead? It's TEMPORARY!

Did Jesus raise Lazarus from the dead just to show off his magic powers? If he did, and he made Lazarus' family happy, then what did Jesus accomplish by letting Lazarus die again? How sick and cruel is that, making the family rejoice and then taking away their joy for no good reason except to say "I made my point, so I don't need Lazarus to be alive again."

The biggest problem I have with you Biblical literalists is that you never think these stories through to their logical conclusions. If you did, you'd realize that the Bible is a book of myths and fables, not true stories.

So tell me, where is Lazarus today? Alive or dead? What does the Bible say about it?

If you use the Bible to make a point, then you'd better be prepared to defend your point using the Bible.

Fail to do this and you must admit you really don't know anything for sure.

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