Exposing Joyce Meyer Ministries

Since: Oct 07

Shrewsbury, UK

#26 Oct 26, 2007
warning warning joyce myer has her own bible .the joyce myer bible.with her face on the front of it .it is a mixture of the amplied version with joyce myer giving her versions. that is enough for me to be very very wary go have a look in her store awaken brothers and sisters .
Bible Talk

Saint Peters, MO

#27 Oct 26, 2007
loveismygoal wrote:
warning warning joyce myer has her own bible .the joyce myer bible.with her face on the front of it .it is a mixture of the amplied version with joyce myer giving her versions. that is enough for me to be very very wary go have a look in her store awaken brothers and sisters .
WOW thanks for that info.

Since: Oct 07

Shrewsbury, UK

#28 Oct 26, 2007
2 peter 2 but there were also false prophets in isreal just as there will be false teachers among you they will cleverly teach there destructive heresies about god and even turn against their master who bought them.theirs will be a swift and terrible end .many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality .and because of them christ and his true way will be slandered.in there greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money .but god condemed them long ago and their destruction is on the way

“2nd child, lol.”

Since: Apr 07

Salem, MO

#29 Oct 26, 2007
loveismygoal...
thank you very much for your input and admonition, thank you,
Kim

“LOVE, FEAR , RESPECT THE LORD!”

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#30 Oct 26, 2007
Comet wrote:
<quoted text>
It would stand to reason that Joyce Meyer denies the 1 Timothy 2:12 verse.
Yes she does. She is in violation of God's Word and is in open rebellion. God desires obedience more than sacrifice.

“LOVE, FEAR , RESPECT THE LORD!”

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#31 Oct 26, 2007
no fear wrote:
Sounds like she needs our prayers!
She is in need of a born again experience. Joyce Meyer is an example of what the Bible calls spiritual Babylon/Laodecia. Her god is money and pride.

“LOVE, FEAR , RESPECT THE LORD!”

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#32 Oct 26, 2007
harper wrote:
<quoted text>
how do you feel about the catholic churches riches?
The Roman Catholic Church is a harlot. It is a mixture of Babylonian goddess worship and Christianity. They also serve the god of money and power. The RCC is also guilty of adding to God's Word and they admit it.

“LOVE, FEAR , RESPECT THE LORD!”

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#33 Oct 26, 2007
loveismygoal wrote:
2 peter 2 but there were also false prophets in isreal just as there will be false teachers among you they will cleverly teach there destructive heresies about god and even turn against their master who bought them.theirs will be a swift and terrible end .many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality .and because of them christ and his true way will be slandered.in there greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money .but god condemed them long ago and their destruction is on the way
Thank you for sharing those scriptures. They apply to modern day Christianity. The Bible teaches that before the return of the Lord, there will be a GREAT falling away(apostacy). We are living in those times.

Since: Oct 07

Shrewsbury, UK

#34 Oct 26, 2007
joyce myer does know the lord and walked with him but unfortuantly she turned her back to follow mammon.we should pray for her that she will return back to the lord 2 peter 15 they have wandered off the right road and followed the ways of ballam son of boar who loved to earn money by doing wrong.but balaam was stopped from his mad course when his donkey rebuked him with a human voice. father jesus i pray that you will intervene and bring back joyce to safety father i ask this in your name please father you know how urgent this is as many many are being led astray.i too was one of the many forgive me father for following joice cause my ears liked what they heard .thank you for revealing the truth to me.in your name jesus i plead answer my prayer.

Since: Sep 07

Fort Myers, FL

#35 Oct 26, 2007
About her money being between her and God...

As for the final judgement, yes it is.

But for us it is a sign.

It's not judging her like God would judge her. But we shouldn't allow scam artist to continue in the name of Christ. The amount of 'salary' pretty much shouts that she is a scam artist.

That she has some things intresting and/or reaches you. Even satan knows the scriptures.

I'm not picking on her or you. I'm just using this as an example. There are lots of these Scam Artist out there. They may even believe they ARE doing God's work. But so much points otherwise.

This is a BIG DEAL in the Non-Christian folks. It makes us ALL look like frauds who steal from little ole ladys. That the funds gathered doesn't really go to 'good works." All because by our silence, we ALLOW it. By our silence we are CONFIRMING the rightness of it.

Then when they point it out and complain about it, we act all indengent, because WE are not involved in such things. But by our silence, we ARE.

We so much need to clean up our OWN house and removed the wood from our own eyes, before we even start thinking of casting stones at the non-believers.

“LOVE, FEAR , RESPECT THE LORD!”

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#36 Oct 26, 2007
loveismygoal wrote:
joyce myer does know the lord and walked with him but unfortuantly she turned her back to follow mammon.we should pray for her that she will return back to the lord 2 peter 15 they have wandered off the right road and followed the ways of ballam son of boar who loved to earn money by doing wrong.but balaam was stopped from his mad course when his donkey rebuked him with a human voice. father jesus i pray that you will intervene and bring back joyce to safety father i ask this in your name please father you know how urgent this is as many many are being led astray.i too was one of the many forgive me father for following joice cause my ears liked what they heard .thank you for revealing the truth to me.in your name jesus i plead answer my prayer.
(NKJV) Hebrews 6: 4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put [Him] to an open shame.

2 Peter 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.

21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known [it,] to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: "A dog returns to his own vomit," and, "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire."

“LOVE, FEAR , RESPECT THE LORD!”

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#37 Oct 26, 2007
Spangle wrote:
About her money being between her and God...
As for the final judgement, yes it is.
But for us it is a sign.
It's not judging her like God would judge her. But we shouldn't allow scam artist to continue in the name of Christ. The amount of 'salary' pretty much shouts that she is a scam artist.
That she has some things intresting and/or reaches you. Even satan knows the scriptures.
I'm not picking on her or you. I'm just using this as an example. There are lots of these Scam Artist out there. They may even believe they ARE doing God's work. But so much points otherwise.
This is a BIG DEAL in the Non-Christian folks. It makes us ALL look like frauds who steal from little ole ladys. That the funds gathered doesn't really go to 'good works." All because by our silence, we ALLOW it. By our silence we are CONFIRMING the rightness of it.
Then when they point it out and complain about it, we act all indengent, because WE are not involved in such things. But by our silence, we ARE.
We so much need to clean up our OWN house and removed the wood from our own eyes, before we even start thinking of casting stones at the non-believers.
I agree with what you have written, but I would like to add this. That is NOT her MONEY. That money is God's money, that she has stolen. Well meaning Christian people are giving to what they believe is God's work.

Joyce Meyer is taking God's money and heaping it on herself. She, aswell as most television evangelists are robbing the elderly, disabled, poor, widows and orphans. They promise them financial blessings for giving money to them. They preach the give to get gospel.

The Bible says to give expecting nothing in return and your Heavenly Father will reward you. Christ also said, give FREELY because you have recieved FREELY.

Since: Oct 07

Shrewsbury, UK

#38 Oct 27, 2007
Melton wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with what you have written, but I would like to add this. That is NOT her MONEY. That money is God's money, that she has stolen. Well meaning Christian people are giving to what they believe is God's work.
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melton joyce myer did not steal my money i gave her it willingly.the lord asked me to send her money and i did i thought it was because he endorsed her teachings but maybe it was to heap more coals on her head.

Since: Sep 07

Fort Myers, FL

#39 Oct 27, 2007
Melton wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with what you have written, but I would like to add this. That is NOT her MONEY. That money is God's money, that she has stolen. Well meaning Christian people are giving to what they believe is God's work.
Joyce Meyer is taking God's money and heaping it on herself. She, aswell as most television evangelists are robbing the elderly, disabled, poor, widows and orphans. They promise them financial blessings for giving money to them. They preach the give to get gospel.
The Bible says to give expecting nothing in return and your Heavenly Father will reward you. Christ also said, give FREELY because you have recieved FREELY.
Your post would have more impact, if it wasn't directed at just one of them. There is a whole slue of them. I'm totally suprised that Christians aren't up in arms over them. Really I'm not.

Isn't Oral Roberts the one that used God's money to buy a Diamond mine? I don't remember which one. But I don't donate to their causes. To much of the money goes into the wrong pockets or the wrong things. In my view.
Bible Talk

Warrenton, MO

#40 Oct 28, 2007
Spangle wrote:
<quoted text>
Your post would have more impact, if it wasn't directed at just one of them. There is a whole slue of them. I'm totally suprised that Christians aren't up in arms over them. Really I'm not.
Isn't Oral Roberts the one that used God's money to buy a Diamond mine? I don't remember which one. But I don't donate to their causes. To much of the money goes into the wrong pockets or the wrong things. In my view.
You are right Spangle, the money goes to the wrong places or wrong pockets. most all of TBN network is the same they want to sale their books, teachings, music, messages. we need to put a stop to this! everything God has for us is FREE!

Since: Sep 07

Fort Myers, FL

#41 Oct 28, 2007
Bible Talk wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right Spangle, the money goes to the wrong places or wrong pockets. most all of TBN network is the same they want to sale their books, teachings, music, messages. we need to put a stop to this! everything God has for us is FREE!
But it's a catch 22 thing.

A Church house ministry has "Building" expenses. Most of us live in a building of sorts and understand what some of those costs could be.

For small churches, the book work, etc.. doesn't take that much time. So a volunter does it. Generally the Paster or his wife. All the 'jobs' are volunteers from the church. Tending the sick, etc.. doesn't take as much time for the Paster. Generally he can do so, and keep a regular full time job.

When the church grows super big, those 'little' jobs become full time. Even the Paster has to devote himself full time to tend his flock. These full time postions no longer are volunteer jobs but become paid jobs. And are done by persons experienced (trained) to do them. Like bookeeping.

A TV ministry also has costs. It's harder to understand what those costs could be. Air time isn't cheap. The equipment isn't cheap. And generally everyone envolved is a paid employee. And may not be a member of the 'church.

I don't despute the higher costs and the need for a higher amount of money. Nor do I think God begudges them for it. Since they are spreading the word in the latest mode. It's the high salarys, etc... that I dispute.

Then when I see that my cable has 4 channels with such programing... hmmmmm I wonder if God would really want us to waste money duplicating so much.

I was watching the Health channel last night about the family with 6 2 yr olds and 2 6 yr olds. They told how this Church in Cali had heard about them and wanted them to COME to their Church and speak. Hmm... The Church was paying for ALL of them and another adult (to help with the kids) to fly out there. Now THAT is some MONEY that could have been used elsewhere.

Who says that church is a scam group? I don't. I think it's just a regular church, with their various "funds" overflowing. Instead of telling their people that this fund is "full" for now, donate it to a different fund, they keep accepting. And so they spend the 'fund' as it was inteneded. This one might be for speakers/entertainment, etc. So they 'correctly' use the funds to bring in these people, per the rules of the fund. But was it a real church necessary expense? No, I don't think so.(Notice that I said "I", not "God." LOL! Big difference.

So, it's just just the scammers, it can be any church. We really should think about what we are doing. Are we taking to much cream from the top???

Since: Sep 07

Fort Myers, FL

#42 Oct 28, 2007
I would like to share a personal story. When I was prego with our first child, I received gifts, etc. It was 8 yrs before we had another. Of course, I saved the gifts and stuff from the first one, for the most part. A couple of years before we had our second child, my cousing started working in a home for unwed mothers. I was asked to donate. My stuff was stored at my Mothers and allowed her to 'donate'. Keeping some of the 'special' clothes. But I still kept the baby bed and stroller.

When I was prego with the second one, I knew I had the basics to build. So I thought. What was 'saved', ended up missing. All I received was the bed and stroller. Nothing else. During my last month of prego, and a living on a shoe string budget. I was in a panic.

I knew a lady who had a baby boy and she sold me a bag of baby things. The most nastiest things one could have. All for $25. But what could I do? I couldn't go out and yard shop. I made clothes by hand, I didn't have a sewing machine. But that didn't help with the Car Seat situation. If I didn't have one, the hospital wouldn't have released him.

I heard about a place that was Christian based for unwed Mothers. They encourage Mothers to allow their children to be adopited, rather then aborted. If they wanted to keep the babys, they helped with that as well. But they help others as well. So I went to them.

Yes, I had to fill out a form. But I wasn't demeaned. They didn't pick apart the finances (I would have still qualifed if they had), they didn't question or try to make me prove I was in need. Just the fact that I was there seemed to be proof. They cheerfully gave me a Car Seat and asked if I NEEDED anything else. I mentioned that I had wanted to use clothe dipers, but mine that I had saved disappeared. They were excited because they had such things, and no one wanted them.

Since: Sep 07

Fort Myers, FL

#43 Oct 28, 2007
2 things came from this. 1 is that I don't sell my childrens clothes. They were given away to folks that seemed to need them. There was a dry spell where that didn't happen. And I was up to my ears in childrens clothes. In the past, it would just 'happen' that I would met up with a person who needed them. But, like I said.. that didn't happen. Our street was having a yard sell and I was presured to join in. I grudingly did. With all the kids clothes. A guy came and I had a feeling about him. Found out he was the guy who sent childrens clothes to Haiti. I had heard about him. I gave him the lot. It was then that I understood that it was ment to be that way that time.

My neice had the oppsite experience. She was yard shopping to proved for her soon to be newborn on a shoe string. She stopped by a yard sale and walked away with nearly all the baby supplies there. Free of charge. The lady just gave it to her out of the blue. Said she knew she wasn't just trying to 'save' money, but really needed it.

The other thing was the 'freely given', without strings. The car seat was given to me 'freely given.' I wasn't forced to listen to a service of any sort. I wasn't demeaned for being in the situation I was in.

In response over the years I have donated car seats and other things. When people are looking for a place to place such things, that is the group that first comes to mind and the first that I speak of.

Some times it takes exeriencing first hand, to understand the power of "freely donating without expectation." It changed my life and I have strong opinions on it. We tend as Christian groups to make persons 'pay' for the receiving of donations by forcing them to listen to a message. This turns people away, or they set and not listen. They think nothing of the receving, because they 'paid' for it. Like listening to a 'sells pitch' for free gifts, vacation, etc.

Some times the donation is as as simple as a meal. But it goes from there. There is a group in Arkansas that started as a "abstance teaching' group. From there it started helping unwed mothers. Either they have applied or is receiving federal funds to do this under some of the new laws. My issue? In order to be 'helped' the girls must follow all the rules. Doesn't sound bad. Until one learns that part of it is that SHE tells them what Church they MUST attened. They have no choice of which church they attend at all. If they don't, they are kicked out. If this was ran by that church group 100%, I can kinda understand. But once tax funds and donations from various churches are considered... that is going beyond. How many of those girls are REALLY being reached. The donations are being freely giving. But they are not being passed out as 'freely giving." Those who receive them, don't get the benifits of seeing how deep the 'loving kindness'. They do what they have to do, in order to survive a time in their life.

Can you think of other groups that give, but don't 'freely give?' I do. We are told to give, not buy peoples time. Nor put them in a situation of feeling ashamed for having need. It's a good thing too. Because we never know when we might be in need. Need of something, that gets freely given to us.

“rain like grace”

Since: Aug 07

Olympia

#44 Oct 28, 2007
Spangle wrote:
2 things came from this. 1 is that I don't sell my childrens clothes. They were given away to folks that seemed to need them. There was a dry spell where that didn't happen. And I was up to my ears in childrens clothes. In the past, it would just 'happen' that I would met up with a person who needed them. But, like I said.. that didn't happen. Our street was having a yard sell and I was presured to join in. I grudingly did. With all the kids clothes. A guy came and I had a feeling about him. Found out he was the guy who sent childrens clothes to Haiti. I had heard about him. I gave him the lot. It was then that I understood that it was ment to be that way that time.
My neice had the oppsite experience. She was yard shopping to proved for her soon to be newborn on a shoe string. She stopped by a yard sale and walked away with nearly all the baby supplies there. Free of charge. The lady just gave it to her out of the blue. Said she knew she wasn't just trying to 'save' money, but really needed it.
The other thing was the 'freely given', without strings. The car seat was given to me 'freely given.' I wasn't forced to listen to a service of any sort. I wasn't demeaned for being in the situation I was in.
In response over the years I have donated car seats and other things. When people are looking for a place to place such things, that is the group that first comes to mind and the first that I speak of.
Some times it takes exeriencing first hand, to understand the power of "freely donating without expectation." It changed my life and I have strong opinions on it. We tend as Christian groups to make persons 'pay' for the receiving of donations by forcing them to listen to a message. This turns people away, or they set and not listen. They think nothing of the receving, because they 'paid' for it. Like listening to a 'sells pitch' for free gifts, vacation, etc.
Some times the donation is as as simple as a meal. But it goes from there. There is a group in Arkansas that started as a "abstance teaching' group. From there it started helping unwed mothers. Either they have applied or is receiving federal funds to do this under some of the new laws. My issue? In order to be 'helped' the girls must follow all the rules. Doesn't sound bad. Until one learns that part of it is that SHE tells them what Church they MUST attened. They have no choice of which church they attend at all. If they don't, they are kicked out. If this was ran by that church group 100%, I can kinda understand. But once tax funds and donations from various churches are considered... that is going beyond. How many of those girls are REALLY being reached. The donations are being freely giving. But they are not being passed out as 'freely giving." Those who receive them, don't get the benifits of seeing how deep the 'loving kindness'. They do what they have to do, in order to survive a time in their life.
Can you think of other groups that give, but don't 'freely give?' I do. We are told to give, not buy peoples time. Nor put them in a situation of feeling ashamed for having need. It's a good thing too. Because we never know when we might be in need. Need of something, that gets freely given to us.
Absolutely beautifully said! Thank you for the blessing. Evonne
no fear

United States

#45 Oct 28, 2007
Spangle wrote:
2 things came from this. 1 is that I don't sell my childrens clothes. They were given away to folks that seemed to need them. There was a dry spell where that didn't happen. And I was up to my ears in childrens clothes. In the past, it would just 'happen' that I would met up with a person who needed them. But, like I said.. that didn't happen. Our street was having a yard sell and I was presured to join in. I grudingly did. With all the kids clothes. A guy came and I had a feeling about him. Found out he was the guy who sent childrens clothes to Haiti. I had heard about him. I gave him the lot. It was then that I understood that it was ment to be that way that time.
My neice had the oppsite experience. She was yard shopping to proved for her soon to be newborn on a shoe string. She stopped by a yard sale and walked away with nearly all the baby supplies there. Free of charge. The lady just gave it to her out of the blue. Said she knew she wasn't just trying to 'save' money, but really needed it.
The other thing was the 'freely given', without strings. The car seat was given to me 'freely given.' I wasn't forced to listen to a service of any sort. I wasn't demeaned for being in the situation I was in.
In response over the years I have donated car seats and other things. When people are looking for a place to place such things, that is the group that first comes to mind and the first that I speak of.
Some times it takes exeriencing first hand, to understand the power of "freely donating without expectation." It changed my life and I have strong opinions on it. We tend as Christian groups to make persons 'pay' for the receiving of donations by forcing them to listen to a message. This turns people away, or they set and not listen. They think nothing of the receving, because they 'paid' for it. Like listening to a 'sells pitch' for free gifts, vacation, etc.
Some times the donation is as as simple as a meal. But it goes from there. There is a group in Arkansas that started as a "abstance teaching' group. From there it started helping unwed mothers. Either they have applied or is receiving federal funds to do this under some of the new laws. My issue? In order to be 'helped' the girls must follow all the rules. Doesn't sound bad. Until one learns that part of it is that SHE tells them what Church they MUST attened. They have no choice of which church they attend at all. If they don't, they are kicked out. If this was ran by that church group 100%, I can kinda understand. But once tax funds and donations from various churches are considered... that is going beyond. How many of those girls are REALLY being reached. The donations are being freely giving. But they are not being passed out as 'freely giving." Those who receive them, don't get the benifits of seeing how deep the 'loving kindness'. They do what they have to do, in order to survive a time in their life.
Can you think of other groups that give, but don't 'freely give?' I do. We are told to give, not buy peoples time. Nor put them in a situation of feeling ashamed for having need. It's a good thing too. Because we never know when we might be in need. Need of something, that gets freely given to us.
about the arkansas comment....abstance teaching group.....that is so untrue! I would like to know why you would talk about something and form opinion and then gossip to others all around the world, that hurts all of us!

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