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NoamChimpsky

“Religion is for stupid people”

Since: May 08

Anytown, USA

#1 Jul 13, 2008
Who here actually believes in the great flood and Noah's ark and all that nonsense?

No offense, but you have to be pretty freaking stupid if you buy into that myth. Forget the fact that there's no geological evidence of a flood of that magnitude, and the fact that it would be physically impossible to find and then fit two of each of the 1.8 million species of animals on this planet, but let's look at the math.

It amazes me that I've never seen anyone look at it this way before. As the story goes, God made it rain for 40 days and 40 nights and created a great flood that covered the entire earth. Enough to drowned everything except fish. Our tallest mountains are 27,000 feet tall, so if you're going to flood everything, that's 27,000 feet of water. For round numbers, let's just say 24,000 is enough.

If you divide 24,000 feet by 40 days, that's 600 feet of rain a day, over the entire planet. There's 24 hours in a day so that would be 25 feet of rain per hour, or 300 inches per hour. 7200 inches per day. 5 inches of rain a minute. That's one hell of a rain!

“Atheist and Proud !”

Since: Nov 07

Ontario,Canada

#2 Jul 13, 2008
Hello

Noam...

"That's one hell of a rain!"

Noah must have had one Hell of a bilge pump Eh !! LMAO...

The only problem with your theory is that the noah Myth believers will tell you that Mt.Everest and all of the mountain ranges were formed After the flood....

Ask them how all the animals got to and fro from the ark, before and after the flood...

Just so you know we've torn this story to bits already several times...

Go back a few pages for some Really entertaining reading...

Welcome Aboard,, as Noah would have said !! LOL

Glad to have you on the "A" Team..

A.

“Trying to make sense of it all”

Since: Oct 07

Lake Titicaca!

#3 Jul 13, 2008
Well I wouldn't call it a lie exactly. It's probably based on some prehistory flood that was passed down through the generations, or possibly taken from other flood myths, and then adapted for Judaism.

NoamChimpsky

“Religion is for stupid people”

Since: May 08

Anytown, USA

#4 Jul 13, 2008
Reasoner wrote:
Well I wouldn't call it a lie exactly. It's probably based on some prehistory flood that was passed down through the generations, or possibly taken from other flood myths, and then adapted for Judaism.
There's no evidence that there was ever a big flood. There's not even evidence that a big flood happened before humans existed, and there's most certainly no evidence that it happened while humans have been around.

NoamChimpsky

“Religion is for stupid people”

Since: May 08

Anytown, USA

#5 Jul 13, 2008
Atheist wrote:
Hello
Noam...
"That's one hell of a rain!"
Noah must have had one Hell of a bilge pump Eh !! LMAO...
The only problem with your theory is that the noah Myth believers will tell you that Mt.Everest and all of the mountain ranges were formed After the flood....
Ask them how all the animals got to and fro from the ark, before and after the flood...
Just so you know we've torn this story to bits already several times...
Go back a few pages for some Really entertaining reading...
Welcome Aboard,, as Noah would have said !! LOL
Glad to have you on the "A" Team..
A.
I know, it's such an easy story to rip apart. There are about a dozen aspects to it that can easily be dismantled. I especially love the "Mt. Everest formed after the flood" argument they use. You have to a total idiot if you don't know all mountains were formed millions of years before humans even existed.

“Trying to make sense of it all”

Since: Oct 07

Lake Titicaca!

#7 Jul 13, 2008
NoamChimpsky wrote:
<quoted text>
There's no evidence that there was ever a big flood. There's not even evidence that a big flood happened before humans existed, and there's most certainly no evidence that it happened while humans have been around.
I didn't say it would have been a worldwide flood or any such thing. Maybe a river basin flooded and wiped out a village or something. And there have been plenty of major floods throughout the life of our planet. But I'm not saying they were worldwide floods like the Noah flood--that would be silly.

NoamChimpsky

“Religion is for stupid people”

Since: May 08

Anytown, USA

#9 Jul 13, 2008
Reasoner wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't say it would have been a worldwide flood or any such thing. Maybe a river basin flooded and wiped out a village or something. And there have been plenty of major floods throughout the life of our planet. But I'm not saying they were worldwide floods like the Noah flood--that would be silly.
You may be right. Obviously this is a total myth, but the story is probably an exaggeration of something that happened on a much, much more minor scale.
Scooter-girl

Portland, OR

#10 Jul 13, 2008
From a rational Christian viewpoint:

As for the reference, "under the entire heavens," such expressions must always be understood in their context. What would constitute under the entire heavens for the people of Noah's time? The extent of their view from the entire region in which they existed or operated. Perhaps a verse from the New Testament will clarify my point. In Romans 1:8 the Apostle Paul declares that the faith of the Christians in Rome was being "reported all over the world." Since "all over the world" to the Romans meant the entire Roman Empire (and not the entire globe), we would not interpret Paul's words as an indication that the Eskimos and Incas were familiar at that time with the activities of the church at Rome.

Further support for a regional, rather than global, cataclysm comes from consideration of God's command to Noah after the flood, the same command He had given to Adam and later gave to the people who built the tower of Babel: "Fill the earth." The fact that God repeated this command to Noah (and intervened dramatically to disperse the people of Babel's day) implies that the people of Noah's generation had not filled the earth. This view is consistent with the geographical place names recorded in the first nine chapters of Genesis. They all refer to localities either in or very close to Mesopotamia.

What does the geological data tell us about massive floods in the earth's history? The evidence shows that the only place in the world where massive flooding has occurred since the advent of modem man is the region of Mesopotamia.

The Genesis account of the great flood is not an embarrassment for the Christian. We are not saddled with a contradiction between the established facts of science and the words of the Bible. Rather, we have one more set of objective evidences that the Bible is indeed inerrant, not oust in matters of faith and practice, but in all disciplines including geology and history.

Does all this evidence for a regional flood mean that the Genesis flood was not universal? Not at all. Let me reiterate: the Genesis flood certainly was universal in that it destroyed all mankind and the animals associated with his livelihood except those on board Noah's ark. Only in the twentieth century has "universal" been synonymous with "global." Global citizens, global corporations, and global wars are unique to this century.

http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/...

“Atheist and Proud !”

Since: Nov 07

Ontario,Canada

#11 Jul 13, 2008
Hello

Scooter..

That's just apologetic nonsense...

Theres no leg to stand on with the Ark Myth,, so it's watered down to make it more believable and easier to swallow..

Sorry,, that take on it doesn't pass the sniff test Either..

A.
Edio

AOL

#12 Jul 13, 2008
Reasoner wrote:
Well I wouldn't call it a lie exactly. It's probably based on some prehistory flood that was passed down through the generations, or possibly taken from other flood myths, and then adapted for Judaism.
You are exactly right, Reasoner. The Hebrew version of the flood was ripped off from a Sumerian tale. The Gilgamesh Epic predates the biblical account.
Scooter-girl

Portland, OR

#13 Jul 13, 2008
Atheist wrote:
Hello
Scooter..
That's just apologetic nonsense...
Theres no leg to stand on with the Ark Myth,, so it's watered down to make it more believable and easier to swallow..
Sorry,, that take on it doesn't pass the sniff test Either..
A.
Why not? Just because people might have believed based on the science (or not-science) of the past doesn't mean that the literal interpretation was the one meant when written (or revealed). There is no reason NOT to believe that "the whole earth" wouldn't have meant the whole earth that was known at the time or that was relevant to the characters in the story. Especially when you see how the term is used in every other context of the Bible. There is no "watering down" of the story; sections of it aren't ignored or added on to make it "more believable". You can check it yourself--I know you've got a Bible nearby.:-)
Scooter-girl

Portland, OR

#14 Jul 13, 2008
Edio wrote:
<quoted text>
You are exactly right, Reasoner. The Hebrew version of the flood was ripped off from a Sumerian tale. The Gilgamesh Epic predates the biblical account.
Traditional claims are that Abram (Abraham) lived in Ur, in Sumer (where the Gilgamesh story is believed to originate). It's reasonable to assume that if that's the case, the flood story would have been carried from Abraham to Moses (who wrote down the Torah).

NoamChimpsky

“Religion is for stupid people”

Since: May 08

Anytown, USA

#17 Jul 13, 2008
JESUS IS wrote:
ALI THINKS HE IS REVERTING THIS CHRISTIAN FORUM!!!
HE THINKS HE CAN TAKE OVER THE WORLD LIKE SATAN WANTS TO.
Over In the Islam Forum I found this post:
'ALI: Xian Forum Is Reverting...
the christian forum is looking more & more Islamic now, By Ramadan we intend to make it 100% Islamic...INSHALLAH'
ARE WE GOING TO LET THAT HAPPEN???????
Who gives a sh*t? They're all made up fairy tales. I laugh in the face of all organized religions.
Edio

AOL

#18 Jul 14, 2008
JESUS IS wrote:
ALI THINKS HE IS REVERTING THIS CHRISTIAN FORUM!!!
HE THINKS HE CAN TAKE OVER THE WORLD LIKE SATAN WANTS TO.
Over In the Islam Forum I found this post:
'ALI: Xian Forum Is Reverting...
the christian forum is looking more & more Islamic now, By Ramadan we intend to make it 100% Islamic...INSHALLAH'
ARE WE GOING TO LET THAT HAPPEN???????
Dude, or Dudette .... you've been having a field day yourself posting biblical passages in the Islam forum. Maybe you should stay at home.
wardog

Maxton, NC

#25 Jan 20, 2009
NoamChimpsky wrote:
Who here actually believes in the great flood and Noah's ark and all that nonsense?
No offense, but you have to be pretty freaking stupid if you buy into that myth. Forget the fact that there's no geological evidence of a flood of that magnitude, and the fact that it would be physically impossible to find and then fit two of each of the 1.8 million species of animals on this planet, but let's look at the math.
It amazes me that I've never seen anyone look at it this way before. As the story goes, God made it rain for 40 days and 40 nights and created a great flood that covered the entire earth. Enough to drowned everything except fish. Our tallest mountains are 27,000 feet tall, so if you're going to flood everything, that's 27,000 feet of water. For round numbers, let's just say 24,000 is enough.
If you divide 24,000 feet by 40 days, that's 600 feet of rain a day, over the entire planet. There's 24 hours in a day so that would be 25 feet of rain per hour, or 300 inches per hour. 7200 inches per day. 5 inches of rain a minute. That's one hell of a rain!
you think science can explain biblical? your in a WHOLE different part of the world

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#27 Jan 20, 2009
NoamChimpsky wrote:
Who here actually believes in the great flood and Noah's ark and all that nonsense?
No offense, but you have to be pretty freaking stupid if you buy into that myth. Forget the fact that there's no geological evidence of a flood of that magnitude, and the fact that it would be physically impossible to find and then fit two of each of the 1.8 million species of animals on this planet, but let's look at the math.
It amazes me that I've never seen anyone look at it this way before. As the story goes, God made it rain for 40 days and 40 nights and created a great flood that covered the entire earth. Enough to drowned everything except fish. Our tallest mountains are 27,000 feet tall, so if you're going to flood everything, that's 27,000 feet of water. For round numbers, let's just say 24,000 is enough.
If you divide 24,000 feet by 40 days, that's 600 feet of rain a day, over the entire planet. There's 24 hours in a day so that would be 25 feet of rain per hour, or 300 inches per hour. 7200 inches per day. 5 inches of rain a minute. That's one hell of a rain!
Anyone trying to prove the flood is false as the author stated is "...pretty freaking stupid..."

A. No silt evidence. B. No geographical era. C. No knowledge of what this earth looked like at the time of the flood as the height of mountains.

What I like is that the story actually pisses off those who attack it like it is true when there is no evidence of it! How freaking stupid can you be to attack an unprovable story as false? Your a freaking stupid, ignorant, idiot to think you can prove the unprovable as unprovable! lolololol.
Little lamb

Australia

#28 Jan 20, 2009
"Let all men be found liars and god be found true."
Ron Wyatt found evidence of Noah's Ark on the mountains of Ararat, He placed metal detectors over it and found traces of man made metal. He found evidence of rotten wood compost . And the shape of the ship was plainly seen from airspace. He has recorded his findings on his web pages. Ofcourse men who want to live evil and immoral lives will use high fallutin words to put these findings down but that is because they want to erase any thoughts of the fact that there is a God who calls to account the actions of men , and brings punishment on them. Also there is a valley called in their language in Ararat ,' the valley of the eight." Which is a funny name to be given and they say it has always been called such . Also they found huge anchor stones , which the early Eastern church carved crosses picturing Noah and his family. These were after the flood , but it does show that before muslim's destroyed the eastern church in those parts , it recognized the importance and historical value of the region. Also on Creation Science web there is tremendous amount of information that there was an earth wide flood. To petrified oysters upon our highest mountains. So don't allow the unbelief of others spoil anyones faith.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#29 Jan 20, 2009
Little lamb wrote:
"Let all men be found liars and god be found true."
Ron Wyatt found evidence of Noah's Ark on the mountains of Ararat, He placed metal detectors over it and found traces of man made metal. He found evidence of rotten wood compost . And the shape of the ship was plainly seen from airspace. He has recorded his findings on his web pages. Ofcourse men who want to live evil and immoral lives will use high fallutin words to put these findings down but that is because they want to erase any thoughts of the fact that there is a God who calls to account the actions of men , and brings punishment on them. Also there is a valley called in their language in Ararat ,' the valley of the eight." Which is a funny name to be given and they say it has always been called such . Also they found huge anchor stones , which the early Eastern church carved crosses picturing Noah and his family. These were after the flood , but it does show that before muslim's destroyed the eastern church in those parts , it recognized the importance and historical value of the region. Also on Creation Science web there is tremendous amount of information that there was an earth wide flood. To petrified oysters upon our highest mountains. So don't allow the unbelief of others spoil anyones faith.
I like the story of Noah. I even believe in it myself. But understand we have no evidence of it. There is EXTREME distant circumstantial evidence to MAYBE show POSSIBILITIES of such a story but that is all.
All floods leave silt deposit from the earth being stirred up from it. Like the ash from a volcano...volcanoist can move outward from the crater area taking dirt samples from various points to see which way the blow went and how far. Well that is like the silt and so far a common silt of a massive total earth flood has not been found across the globe.
Maybe one day but not today at present.

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Since: May 08

Location hidden

#30 Jan 21, 2009
Little lamb wrote:
"Let all men be found liars and god be found true."
Ron Wyatt found evidence of Noah's Ark on the mountains of Ararat, He placed metal detectors over it and found traces of man made metal. He found evidence of rotten wood compost . And the shape of the ship was plainly seen from airspace. He has recorded his findings on his web pages. Ofcourse men who want to live evil and immoral lives will use high fallutin words to put these findings down but that is because they want to erase any thoughts of the fact that there is a God who calls to account the actions of men , and brings punishment on them. Also there is a valley called in their language in Ararat ,' the valley of the eight." Which is a funny name to be given and they say it has always been called such . Also they found huge anchor stones , which the early Eastern church carved crosses picturing Noah and his family. These were after the flood , but it does show that before muslim's destroyed the eastern church in those parts , it recognized the importance and historical value of the region. Also on Creation Science web there is tremendous amount of information that there was an earth wide flood. To petrified oysters upon our highest mountains. So don't allow the unbelief of others spoil anyones faith.
The Noah story has been discussed zilions of times and has faileld in all aspects being scientific, logical, moral or theological.
Your suggestion for anchor stones is illogical. Firstly and most importantly it is estimated that when all the fountains (volcanoes) of the earth errupted, the height of waves would reach miles. To confront largish waves, let alone inordinate waves in an anchored vessel would be suicidal. The ark would capsize immediately.
Secondly the water supposedly covered the highest mountains which we pressume it was Mt. Everest (as it was formed 60 million years ago). Can you imagine the length of the ropes required for anchoring? At least 40-50,000 miles each? How did Noah know the height of Mt. Everest so that he could prepare such ropes and where did he find all this material (if ever possible)?
Manny

Australia

#31 Jan 21, 2009
Scooter-girl wrote:
From a rational Christian viewpoint:
As for the reference, "under the entire heavens," such expressions must always be understood in their context. What would constitute under the entire heavens for the people of Noah's time? The extent of their view from the entire region in which they existed or operated. Perhaps a verse from the New Testament will clarify my point. In Romans 1:8 the Apostle Paul declares that the faith of the Christians in Rome was being "reported all over the world." Since "all over the world" to the Romans meant the entire Roman Empire (and not the entire globe), we would not interpret Paul's words as an indication that the Eskimos and Incas were familiar at that time with the activities of the church at Rome.
Further support for a regional, rather than global, cataclysm comes from consideration of God's command to Noah after the flood, the same command He had given to Adam and later gave to the people who built the tower of Babel: "Fill the earth." The fact that God repeated this command to Noah (and intervened dramatically to disperse the people of Babel's day) implies that the people of Noah's generation had not filled the earth. This view is consistent with the geographical place names recorded in the first nine chapters of Genesis. They all refer to localities either in or very close to Mesopotamia.
What does the geological data tell us about massive floods in the earth's history? The evidence shows that the only place in the world where massive flooding has occurred since the advent of modem man is the region of Mesopotamia.
The Genesis account of the great flood is not an embarrassment for the Christian. We are not saddled with a contradiction between the established facts of science and the words of the Bible. Rather, we have one more set of objective evidences that the Bible is indeed inerrant, not oust in matters of faith and practice, but in all disciplines including geology and history.
Does all this evidence for a regional flood mean that the Genesis flood was not universal? Not at all. Let me reiterate: the Genesis flood certainly was universal in that it destroyed all mankind and the animals associated with his livelihood except those on board Noah's ark. Only in the twentieth century has "universal" been synonymous with "global." Global citizens, global corporations, and global wars are unique to this century.
http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/...
You bible people are funny with your interpretations! Noah probably stepped in a puddle, but maybe a "puddle" was an "ocean" back then.

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