Why Does God Punish His Own Creatures

Why Does God Punish His Own Creatures

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Campbell

Kingston, TN

#1 Mar 7, 2014
My Mom has never harmed a flea, did a fantastic job of raising her four children and was sharp as a tack until she passed 98 years. Within a year she was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease (AD) and began to forget everything. She will pass her 102nd year on the planet this summer and for the last year and a half she's lived like a vegetable. She lives with my youngest brother and they have to put her in the shower, change her diaper, pass every bite she eats up to her face and into her mouth. Sometimes they have to get some of us to help and personally....I'd rather die tomorrow than to live three years like that.

God just seems to not give a big rat's ass!!

I was born in 1934 the average life expectancy of a white male in the United States was 61. If someone survived their first heart attack they would mope around essentially
incapcitated for a couple of years then die. Cancer was a death sentence. The only treatment was surgery and over half the time the tumor metasticised and spread all through the body and usually they lasted a year after that at the most.

Wednesday evening prayer meetings all over this country were crowded and prayer lists were a foot long. Every family either had a member or a close friend who was sick or dying. People prayed till their knees were bloody and the aflicted suffered and died anyway. Either the almighty supreme being didn't answer the prayers or he doesn't give a damn.

Now the average life expectency of a White male at birth is 78. Thanks to the spin offs from the moon landing in the late 60's we have sophisticated diagnostic systems, MRI, CTscans, ultrasound, endoscopy, colonoscopy, heart catherization procedures, stents, bypasses, transplants, stem cell technology, chemo, radiation and limited invasive surgical procedures
which produce much lower mortality statistics. The foolish prayer bunch think god is watching out for them. What about the millions upon millions who died or suffered unmercifully before all this technology and research came about through countless months and years of human dedication and effort..the ones who regardless of the dedication of those who prayed...suffered and died.

A few weeks ago one of my high school mates about 80 years old actually ask all of us to pray for positive results for an abdominal ultrasound and colonoscopy she had scheduled. Turned out she had indigestion.

The total ignorance of those who cling to ancient god worship knows no bounds.

“theholychristian church.com”

Since: Jun 10

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#2 Mar 7, 2014
Campbell wrote:
My Mom has never harmed a flea, did a fantastic job of raising her four children and was sharp as a tack until she passed 98 years. Within a year she was .
Having read your comments on God, I have but one question for you:

a) why are you praying?
You claim God doesn't give a rat ass about your mother. I take it she's Christian in your eyes and she therefore deserves better? But how you know she's Christian while you your self are not a Christian?

Why I know you're not a Christian: you said that God doesn't give a rat ass.

Well, God is God and all mighty. Who don't you think your mother is? Why did God torment the only man without sin to such an extent? JOB Read the book of Job:
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/cgi-bin...

God says that nobody can declare his ways: for he is God and we are men.
Any Christian receives all that they need and ask for: period! As it is written.

Do you know what a Christian is? It is a repented and baptised person, the same being Holy and thus CHRISTIAN.
Have you repented ( set aside all that's evil en embrace all that God approves of ) and have after this baptised? I dear say: NO, YOU DID NOT.
For you would not dear quote that God doesn't give a rat's ass.

Read my site, namely these pages: then you shall understand:

BORN AGAIN
JOH 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
JOH 3: 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
JOH 3: 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

AFTER THIS YOU CANNOT SIN AGAIN: FOR YOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED!

JESUS SPEAKING TO A CHURCH
REV 3: 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
REV 3: 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
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When you repent you put aside all your sinning and prepare to surrender through baptism:
and after the baptism, all your sins are washed away and you are Holy, for you have answered Jesus,
believing what you claim to believe.

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Read the whole site:
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- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
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- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
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#3 Mar 7, 2014
If you don't recieve what you have asked for then there is a reason for this. Have you asked for vanity, or doesn't God want you to have what you desire? Or is he trying you???

God must answer you before you become Christian: as a believer. Thus proving his worth. But then it's you who has to respond and repent, then baptize and follow: else, as he said several times, he will not allow you in heaven. He will say: I know ye not!

ASK AND RECEIVE
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MAT 21: 21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
MAT 21: 22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

KNOCK EN OPEN, SEEK FIND, PRAY FOR HOLY GHOST
LUK 11: 9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
LUK 11: 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
LUK 11: 11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
LUK 11: 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
LUK 11: 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

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Campbell

Kingston, TN

#5 Mar 7, 2014
Cliff09 wrote:
If you don't recieve what you have asked for then there is a reason for this. Have you asked for vanity, or doesn't God want you to have what you desire? Or is he trying you???
God must answer you before you become Christian: as a believer. Thus proving his worth. But then it's you who has to respond and repent, then baptize and follow: else, as he said several times, he will not allow you in heaven. He will say: I know ye not!
ASK AND RECEIVE
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...
You holy rollers didn't even read it did you? I'll try it again. If you don't like what I wrote get back to your collection of ancient fairy tales.

I was born in 1934 the average life expectancy of a white male in the United States was 61. If someone survived their first heart attack they would mope around essentially
incapcitated for a couple of years then die. Cancer was a death sentence. The only treatment was surgery and over half the time the tumor metasticised and spread all through the body and usually they lasted a year after that at the most.

Wednesday evening prayer meetings all over this country were crowded and prayer lists were a foot long. Every family either had a member or a close friend who was sick or dying. People prayed till their knees were bloody and the aflicted suffered and died anyway. Either the almighty supreme being didn't answer the prayers or he doesn't give a damn.

Now the average life expectency of a White male at birth is 78. Thanks to the spin offs from the moon landing in the late 60's we have sophisticated diagnostic systems, MRI, CTscans, ultrasound, endoscopy, colonoscopy, heart catherization procedures, stents, bypasses, transplants, stem cell technology, chemo, radiation and limited invasive surgical procedures
which produce much lower mortality statistics. The foolish prayer bunch think god is watching out for them. What about the millions upon millions who died or suffered unmercifully before all this technology and research came about through countless months and years of human dedication and effort..the ones who regardless of the dedication of those who prayed...suffered and died.

A few weeks ago one of my high school mates about 80 years old actually ask all of us to pray for positive results for an abdominal ultrasound and colonoscopy she had scheduled. Turned out she had indigestion.

The total ignorance of those who cling to ancient god worship knows no bounds.

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#6 Mar 7, 2014
Campbell wrote:
<quoted text>
You holy rollers didn't even read it did you? I'll try it again. If you don't like what I wrote get back to your collection of ancient fairy tales.
I was born in 1934 the average life expectancy of a white male in the United States was 61. If someone survived their first heart attack they would mope around essentially
incapcitated for a couple of years then die. Cancer was a death sentence. The only treatment was surgery and over half the time the tumor metasticised and spread all through the body and usually they lasted a year after that at the most.
Wednesday evening prayer meetings all over this country were crowded and prayer lists were a foot long. Every family either had a member or a close friend who was sick or dying. People prayed till their knees were bloody and the aflicted suffered and died anyway. Either the almighty supreme being didn't answer the prayers or he doesn't give a damn.
Now the average life expectency of a White male at birth is 78. Thanks to the spin offs from the moon landing in the late 60's we have sophisticated diagnostic systems, MRI, CTscans, ultrasound, endoscopy, colonoscopy, heart catherization procedures, stents, bypasses, transplants, stem cell technology, chemo, radiation and limited invasive surgical procedures
which produce much lower mortality statistics. The foolish prayer bunch think god is watching out for them. What about the millions upon millions who died or suffered unmercifully before all this technology and research came about through countless months and years of human dedication and effort..the ones who regardless of the dedication of those who prayed...suffered and died.
A few weeks ago one of my high school mates about 80 years old actually ask all of us to pray for positive results for an abdominal ultrasound and colonoscopy she had scheduled. Turned out she had indigestion.
The total ignorance of those who cling to ancient god worship knows no bounds.
They'll always find a way to twist their god into everything and rationalize it by the ole' "God Did It", "Because You're Not A Real Christian", "You Must Be Reborn", etc..........and the dumb lines go on. Disease doesn't discriminate and has nothing to do with fairy tale deities.
LGK

UK

#7 Mar 7, 2014
Campbell wrote:
<quoted text>
You holy rollers didn't even read it did you? I'll try it again. If you don't like what I wrote get back to your collection of ancient fairy tales.
I was born in 1934 the average life expectancy of a white male in the United States was 61. If someone survived their first heart attack they would mope around essentially
incapcitated for a couple of years then die. Cancer was a death sentence. The only treatment was surgery and over half the time the tumor metasticised and spread all through the body and usually they lasted a year after that at the most.
Wednesday evening prayer meetings all over this country were crowded and prayer lists were a foot long. Every family either had a member or a close friend who was sick or dying. People prayed till their knees were bloody and the aflicted suffered and died anyway. Either the almighty supreme being didn't answer the prayers or he doesn't give a damn.
Now the average life expectency of a White male at birth is 78. Thanks to the spin offs from the moon landing in the late 60's we have sophisticated diagnostic systems, MRI, CTscans, ultrasound, endoscopy, colonoscopy, heart catherization procedures, stents, bypasses, transplants, stem cell technology, chemo, radiation and limited invasive surgical procedures
which produce much lower mortality statistics. The foolish prayer bunch think god is watching out for them. What about the millions upon millions who died or suffered unmercifully before all this technology and research came about through countless months and years of human dedication and effort..the ones who regardless of the dedication of those who prayed...suffered and died.
A few weeks ago one of my high school mates about 80 years old actually ask all of us to pray for positive results for an abdominal ultrasound and colonoscopy she had scheduled. Turned out she had indigestion.
The total ignorance of those who cling to ancient god worship knows no bounds.
God can punish His own creatures because He is Sovereign. Put another way, He can, He's the Boss, that's why He is God.

The reason you might be asking this question is either because you've got the wrong god or you haven't read God's manual, the Bible. Here's what it says.

"I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. " Exodus 33:19

Basically, God does what He wants & it's not like we can take Him on. That project was tried by Satan and he's got it coming. The lake of fire. So I'd do are two things.

1). Make sure I've got the right God of which there's only one.
2). Find out what He wants (He owns me), ask for forgiveness and start playing ball.

Otherwise it's fire & brimstone also known as hell. The choice is dead simple.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#8 Mar 7, 2014
God is interested in rehabilitation, not punishment on his earth. Proverbs 3:12 "For whom the Lord loveth, he correcteth: even as a father the son in whom he delighteth". The condition of our souls when we die determines our position in heaven when we die. Only the holy will be in the presence of God forever. There will be those who will be resurrected to "shame and everlasting contempt". Daniel 12:2. These are people that are forgiven but will forever live in infamy of what they've done. They are only in the presence of God on Yom Kippur.
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#9 Mar 7, 2014
susanblange wrote:
God is interested in rehabilitation, not punishment on his earth. Proverbs 3:12 "For whom the Lord loveth, he correcteth: even as a father the son in whom he delighteth". The condition of our souls when we die determines our position in heaven when we die. Only the holy will be in the presence of God forever. There will be those who will be resurrected to "shame and everlasting contempt". Daniel 12:2. These are people that are forgiven but will forever live in infamy of what they've done. They are only in the presence of God on Yom Kippur.
Then What Happened Here? It is estimated that at least 100,000 innocent young women who were accused of witchcraft were tortured and burned. Who is responsible if not god himself?

There are forty-two death-penalty sins in the Old Testament.•Murder - Gen. 9:6; Ex. 21:12-14,20,23; Lev. 24:17,21; Num. 35:16-34; Deut. 19.
•Failing to circumcise - Gen. 17:14; Ex. 4:24,25.
•Eating leavened bread during feast of unleavened bread - Ex.
•2:15,19.
•Smiting Parents- Ex. 21:15.
•Kidnapping - Ex. 21:16; Deut. 24:7.
•Cursing Parents - Ex. 21:17; Lev. 20:9.
•Negligence with animals that kill - Ex. 21:28-32.
•Witchcraft - Ex. 22:18.
•Bestiality - Ex. 22:19; Lev. 18:23-29; 20:15,16.
•Idolatry - Ex. 22:20.
•Making holy anointing oil - Ex. 30:33.
•Putting holy anointing oil on strangers - Ex. 30:33.
•Making the holy perfume - Ex. 30:38.
•Defiling the Sabbath - Ex. 31:14.
•Working on the Sabbath - Ex. 35:2.
•Eating the flesh of the peace offerings in
•uncleanness - Lev. 7:20,21.
•Eating the fat of sacrifices - Lev. 7:25.
•Killing sacrifices other than at the door of the tabernacle - Lev. 17:1-9.
•Eating blood - Lev. 17:10-14.
•Incest - Lev. 18:6-29; 20:11-22.
•Eating sacrifices at the wrong time - Lev. 19:5-8.
•Consecration of children to idols - Lev. 20:1-5.
•Spiritualism - Lev. 20:6,27.
•Adultery - Lev. 20:10; Deut. 22:22-30.
•Sodomy/Homosexuality - Lev. 20:13.
•Relationship with a menstruous woman - Lev. 20:18.
•Whoredom - Lev. 21:9; Deut. 22:21,22.
•Sacrilege - Lev. 22:3.
•Refusing to fast on day of atonement - Lev. 23:29.
•Working on atonement - Lev. 23:30.
•Blasphemy - Lev. 24:11-16.
•Failure to keep the Passover - Num. 9:13.
•Presumptuous - Num. 15:30,31.
•Gathering firewood on the Sabbath - Num. 15:32,36.
•Failure to purify self before worship - Num. 19:13,20.
•False prophecy - Deut. 13:1-18; 18:20.
•Leading men away from God - Deut. 13:6-18.
•Stubbornness and rebelliousness - Deut. 21:18-23.
•Gluttony - Deut. 21:20-23.
•Drunkenness - Deut. 21:20-23.
•Backbiting - Deut. 17:2-7.
•False dreams and visions - Deut. 13:1-18.

Since: Feb 13

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#10 Mar 7, 2014
Campbell wrote:
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Then What Happened Here? It is estimated that at least 100,000 innocent young women who were accused of witchcraft were tortured and burned. Who is responsible if not god himself?
There are forty-two death-penalty sins in the Old Testament.•Murder - Gen. 9:6; Ex. 21:12-14,20,23; Lev. 24:17,21; Num. 35:16-34; Deut. 19.
•Failing to circumcise - Gen. 17:14; Ex. 4:24,25.
•Eating leavened bread during feast of unleavened bread - Ex.
•2:15,19.
•Smiting Parents- Ex. 21:15.
•Kidnapping - Ex. 21:16; Deut. 24:7.
•Cursing Parents - Ex. 21:17; Lev. 20:9.
•Negligence with animals that kill - Ex. 21:28-32.
•Witchcraft - Ex. 22:18.
•Bestiality - Ex. 22:19; Lev. 18:23-29; 20:15,16.
•Idolatry - Ex. 22:20.
•Making holy anointing oil - Ex. 30:33.
•Putting holy anointing oil on strangers - Ex. 30:33.
•Making the holy perfume - Ex. 30:38.
•Defiling the Sabbath - Ex. 31:14.
•Working on the Sabbath - Ex. 35:2.
•Eating the flesh of the peace offerings in
•uncleanness - Lev. 7:20,21.
•Eating the fat of sacrifices - Lev. 7:25.
•Killing sacrifices other than at the door of the tabernacle - Lev. 17:1-9.
•Eating blood - Lev. 17:10-14.
•Incest - Lev. 18:6-29; 20:11-22.
•Eating sacrifices at the wrong time - Lev. 19:5-8.
•Consecration of children to idols - Lev. 20:1-5.
•Spiritualism - Lev. 20:6,27.
•Adultery - Lev. 20:10; Deut. 22:22-30.
•Sodomy/Homosexuality - Lev. 20:13.
•Relationship with a menstruous woman - Lev. 20:18.
•Whoredom - Lev. 21:9; Deut. 22:21,22.
•Sacrilege - Lev. 22:3.
•Refusing to fast on day of atonement - Lev. 23:29.
•Working on atonement - Lev. 23:30.
•Blasphemy - Lev. 24:11-16.
•Failure to keep the Passover - Num. 9:13.
•Presumptuous - Num. 15:30,31.
•Gathering firewood on the Sabbath - Num. 15:32,36.
•Failure to purify self before worship - Num. 19:13,20.
•False prophecy - Deut. 13:1-18; 18:20.
•Leading men away from God - Deut. 13:6-18.
•Stubbornness and rebelliousness - Deut. 21:18-23.
•Gluttony - Deut. 21:20-23.
•Drunkenness - Deut. 21:20-23.
•Backbiting - Deut. 17:2-7.
•False dreams and visions - Deut. 13:1-18.
There are a lot of statutes and judgments in the OT that I cannot defend. Witchcraft was a sin worthy of death but it makes no sense to torture the person until death. Times change and the law will change with it. Jesus was a sorcerer and he led the children of Israel astray into the worship of other gods. According to scripture at the time, he got what he deserved. There are 7 deadly sins and they're not the Christian ones which are not sins at all.

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Since: Jun 10

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#11 Mar 7, 2014
Campbell wrote:
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Then What Happened Here? It is estimated that at least 100,000 innocent young women who were accused of witchcraft were tortured and burned. Who is responsible if not god 1-18.
a) read your post very fast, as I am busy, but still want to post etc. I just read the core of the post and answered on your objections to God's dealing.

b) you just don't get it with God. So forget it or read the Gospel front to back, and at the end you may finally understand.

Christians must persevere unto the end: accept their sufferings and do not turn from God, and then they shall be in heaven for ever. On earth they only live for about a 100 years - long as this may seem!

Like a Christian should not impose their ways upon others, you should not get into the business of Christianity criticizing it where it does not effect you. A mere comment of opinion is acceptable, but now you rave like the foolish so-called Christians who are nothing of the sort.

Christians must hold fast to that they have avowed to:
MAT 24: 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

MAT 24: 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
MAT 24: 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
MAT 24: 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
MAT 24: 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

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Campbell

Kingston, TN

#12 Mar 8, 2014
Cliff09 wrote:
I quoted to you chapter and verse of the 42 death penalty sins in the old testament which has been the source and reason for mistreatment of many innocents and the torture and death of millions of others and you basically "change the subject"

Matthew 5
17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplishes"

The bible is so full of double meanings and contradictions that only the very naïve can accept it....either that or they were brainwashed as a child. It won't fit in a single post here and it will take me a while but I'm going to list a bunch of direct contradictions:

War or Peace?
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Who was at the Empty Tomb?
MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Which first--beasts or man?

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#13 Mar 8, 2014
Cliff09 wrote:
How many stalls and horsemen?
1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

Is it folly to be wise or not?
PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

Human vs. ghostly impregnation
ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
[note: Jesus cannot be both the fruit of the loins AND the child of the Holy Ghost.]

The sins of the father
ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Fowl from waters or ground?
GEN 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
GEN 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt
GEN 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Earth supported?
JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Heaven supported too
JOB 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.

Moses' personality
NUM 12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth."
NUM 31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive?... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman,... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves."

Righteous live?
PSA 92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."
ISA 57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."

Judas
ACT 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."
MAT 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field."
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#14 Mar 8, 2014
Years of famine
II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?
I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;

Moved David to anger?
II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

The GENEALOGY OF JESUS?
In two places in the New Testament the genealogy of Jesus son of Mary is mentioned. MAT 1:6-16 and LUK 3:23-31. Each gives the ancestors of Joseph the CLAIMED husband of Mary and Step father of Jesus. The first one starts from Abraham(verse 2) all the way down to Jesus. The second one from Jesus all the way back to Adam. The only common name to these two lists between David and Jesus is JOSEPH, How can this be true? and also How can Jesus have a genealogy when all Muslims and most Christians believe that Jesus had/has no father.

God be seen?
EXO 24:9,10; AMO 9:1; GEN 26:2; and JOH 14:9
God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (EXO 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)

God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#16 Mar 8, 2014
Does every man sin?

1KI 8:46 If they sin against thee,(for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

2CH 6:36 If they sin against thee,(for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

PRO 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

JO1 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
JO1 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
JO1 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Who bought potter's field

ACT 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
ACT 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

MAT 27:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
MAT 27:7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.
MAT 27:8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.

Who prophesied the potter's field?

MAT 27:9-10 (mentions Jeremy but no such verse in Jeremiah) is in Zechariah 11:12-13

Do you answer a fool?

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?

2SA 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

2SA 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:

How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?

2KI 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

2CH 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#17 Mar 8, 2014
That's not all of it but I've worked here about an hour and I have some errands this morning. Not that you'll look at it anyway.....I know you're not naïve so that means you're one of the brainwashed and that's even worse.
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#18 Mar 8, 2014
Cliff09 wrote: <quoted text>
a)
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One more thing and then I'm outta here. If the NY Times had sent a dozen of their star reporters to cover the events during the Jesus ministry and they had returned with the contents of the holy bible the paper would have fired them and not printed the story.

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#19 Mar 8, 2014
Campbell wrote:
<quoted text>
I quoted to you chapter and verse of the 42 death penalty sins in the old testament which has
No controversials in the bible, only misunderstanding and some misinterpretations.

War or Peace?
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

The old testament God has changed his ways through Jesus: now we have the NT and a kinder God: no longer a God of war, but one kinder than the OT one: same God though.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
The NT is a more peaceful God: he is kinder and sent us Jesus.

Who is the father of Joseph?
It is God.
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

- Nothing controversial!

Who was at the Empty Tomb?

- an angel sat thereon!

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

- Nothing controversial!

Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

- Nothing controversial!

Which first--beasts or man?
Irrellevant, for we believe the gospel: who cares if beast or man were made first??? Knowledge of this shall not save one of us!
I personally believe that its possible the world was made by God using a piece of rock from a bygone planet. A planet ruined: thus having bones and sculls of
bygone life. We escavate these today and are puzzled.

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Christians do not bother with these unimportant things: for by faith they are saved.
The only controversial text consists of stories we are told: thousands of years old! They will not all be accurate. But these are not the gospel!
The Gospel is the 'Good News' that Jesus brings: and here you find no controversial messages! If you do, the true meaning can be explained at once!

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#20 Mar 8, 2014
Campbell wrote:
Does every man sin?
a) all man sin in the eyes of God. Now the merciful God, softer today than in the OT, gives them the change to scrifice to him through repentance and baptism: then they are cleansed of all sin and may sin no more. Sin being that which God forbids.( We sacrifice all the things God diapproves of: fornication, murther, theft, neighbourly hatred etc.).

LUKEWARM HOT COLD- JESUS SPEAKING TO A CHURCH
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/cgi-bin...
REV 3: 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
REV 3: 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

b) I don't answer a fool according to his folly, but only to show him and the readers that the fool is a fool and not a wise man, else the fool may lead many into the flames of fire. Such post i always start with: FOOL.

c) JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Born of God we do through rebirth of water: to baptize, as Jesus explains. To be born again of water.

BORN AGAIN
JOH 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
JOH 3: 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
JOH 3: 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

MAT 18: 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
JOH 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
PE1 1: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

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Campbell

Kingston, TN

#21 Mar 8, 2014
Cliff09 wrote:
Like I said...you're not naïve but you are definitely hopelessly brainwashed.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#22 Mar 8, 2014
Campbell wrote:
My Mom has never harmed a flea, did a fantastic job of raising her four children and was sharp as a tack until she passed 98 years. Within a year she was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease (AD) and began to forget everything. She will pass her 102nd year on the planet this summer and for the last year and a half she's lived like a vegetable. She lives with my youngest brother and they have to put her in the shower, change her diaper, pass every bite she eats up to her face and into her mouth. Sometimes they have to get some of us to help and personally....I'd rather die tomorrow than to live three years like that.
God just seems to not give a big rat's ass!!
Most religions explain things we don't understand by the use of a "God concept". The ancient Vikings explained thunder and lightening as the god Thor pounding his hammer and hurling lightening bolts. We now know that staying away from tall objects during a thunderstorm will do more to prevent you from being struck by lightening than prayers. "God concepts" always have ordinary human characteristics as well as possessing supernatural, superhuman powers. And "God concepts" always resemble the people and culture that invented them.

Of course now that science has explained things like thunder and lightening the "God concept" is primarily needed to explain the mysteries of life and death. However since the Judeo-Christian "God concept" includes entirely human attributes such as anger and vindictiveness as well as the superhuman traits of omnipotence and omniscience it can be used to explain things like your mother's seemingly unjust final years as a consequence of a lack of faith or just the arbitrary will of an all knowing, all powerfull "God" that can do whatever "He" wants regardless of whether or not it comforms to ordinary human standards of justice and compassion just like any medieval tyrant. They need an explanation based on their "God concept" they can't just say that bad things in life sometimes happen to good people it's a shame and hopefully we can find a way to prevent it from happening in the future.

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