Gays Behind Attacks On Christianity

Gays Behind Attacks On Christianity

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Brenda Lee Johnson

Burbank, CA

#1 Jun 5, 2012
Luke Wrote:

Gays have been the driving force against Christianity while hiding behind atheism. Homosexuals have attacked the Boy Scouts, The Girl Scouts, Big Brother, The Salvation Army and any other institution that supports Christian values. Gays have been embolden by politicians who have pushed to forward the Gay Agenda while hiding important information about homosexual diseases.
Homosexuals who are less than 4% of the population now threaten and attack anyone who opposes their lifestyle. Judges and children are not excluded.
Brenda Lee Johnson

Burbank, CA

#2 Jun 5, 2012
Gay Group who call themselves "Angry Queers’: Christians are ‘scum,’ deserve ‘hammers through their windows’

Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:01 EST
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Tags: angry queers, hate crimes, mars hill church, oregon



Warning: This story includes vulgar language as quoted in an e-mail from an extremist homosexual rights group.

PORTLAND, OREGON, April 27, 2012, The group that allegedly smashed up a Portland church hopes its “small act of vengeance will strike fear into the hearts of” Christian leaders who teach traditional sexual morality, according to an e-mail message the group released to the public.

A group calling itself “Angry Queers” has claimed responsibility for throwing baseball-sized rocks through nine church windows in Portland’s Mars Hill Church, including two 100-year-old stained glass panes.

Two versions of the e-mail have been sent to the media, one longer and slightly more incendiary than the other, but both apparently originating from the same group. In the longer version, the LGBT activists state they destroyed church property in the names of several local transgender people who have died, and “all other trans women” whose deaths they blame on “this cissexist, femmephobic, racist, and transmisogynistic society.”

“Churches are a major contributor to the culture that deems trans women of color to be disposable, as not worth keeping alive,” the statement read.

The “brand of Christianity” taught by Mark Driscoll, pastor of the largest Mars Hill Church in Seattle,“crusades against the ‘feminization’ of Jesus,” the e-mail stated.“We angry queers are not fans of Jesus, but we have a problem with anyone who has a problem with femmes.”

The e-mail, which is peppered with foul language, berates the Q Center, a local LGBT activist organization, for engaging in a dialogue with the Mars Hill’s leadership.“What we have to say to the Q Center is this: F—K YOU, you don’t represent us. You are disgusting traitors who prioritize social peace and the bourgeois aspirations of rich white cis gay people over the more pressing survival needs of more marginalized queers.”

“F—k dialog with people who want us dead,” the e-mail read.“The only dialog we need with scum like Mars Hill is hammers through their windows.”

“We hope this small act of vengeance will strike some fear into the hearts of all of Mars Hill’s pastors, and warm the hearts of our friends and comrades (known or unknown). It may not get better, but we can certainly get even,” it concludes.

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The local Fox affiliate, KPTV, sent a local homosexual media outlet a copy of the e-mail they received, which is missing several of the communication’s most risible phrases.

However, a reporter at competing KOIN also received a copy of the e-mail. KOIN’s coverage quotes words found only in the longer e-mail.

The longer version names several dead transgender people by first and last name, then references them by first name later. The shorter version only includes the reference to their first names, which may authenticate the longer and more inflammatory version sent to KOIN.

The homosexual media outlet that obtained the KPTV version of the e-mail stated officials at the Fox station said the shorter version is the one they received. The blogger believes “the email’s author(s) submitted a somewhat different version to different outlets.”

Neither media outlet reported the message’s invocations of violence against traditional Christians, which appeared in both versions.

The long form of the e-mail has also appeared on several left-wing websites in the area.

Even before the text of the e-mail had become public, Chuck Currie, a minister in the United Church of Christ (UCC), wrote,“I call on the Portland Police to treat this as a hate crime against all people of faith, regardless of religious tradition or belief.”
Brenda Lee Johnson

Burbank, CA

#3 Jun 5, 2012
However, a commenter calling himself “Angry Queer” on a local homosexual website incited further vandalism, writing:“I hope some sexy, angry queers (like myself) smashed this s**t up and will continue to until Mars Hill cannot exist peacefully in Portland. There is no peace for queers — we are murdered, bashed and ridiculed every f**king day. To have some windows of a huge INSTITUTION THAT PERPETUATES AND BREEDS THE HELL WE LIVE IN EVERY DAY smashed is a small victory and a boost in morale.”

Below the video is the full text of the e-mail as it appears on several left-wing activist websites. The portions that differ from the KPTV version are in italics.



Early in the morning of April 24th a group of angry queers smashed out the windows of Mars Hill Church in Southeast Portland. Mars Hill is notoriously anti-gay and anti-woman. Mark Driscoll, Mars Hill’s head pastor, has said that women need to be subservient to their husbands and that gay people are a cancer. His personal brand of Christianity crusades against the “feminization” of Jesus - we angry queers are not fans of Jesus, but we have a problem with anyone who has a problem with femmes.

This action was taken in memory of Mark Aguhar, a fierce queer/trans femme of color and artist from Chicago who killed herself a little over a month ago. We also hold in our hearts Paige Clay, a trans woman of color who was found murdered in Chicago on April 16th; Duanna Johnson, a black trans woman who was in all likelihood murdered by the police in 2008; Agnes Torres Sulca, Deoni Jones, and all other trans women who have been murdered by this cissexist, femmephobic, racist, and transmisogynistic society.

Churches are a major contributor to the culture that deems trans women of color to be disposable, as not worth keeping alive. Children who are forced to attend Mars Hill are indoctrinated in hateful dogma that teaches them their natural desires are an abomination that will damn them to hell. Dan Savage’s “It Gets Better” campaign does nothing in the here and now for queer kids trapped in abusive home or religious settings. And it never got better for Mark, Duanna, Paige, Agnes, Deoni, or the countless other trans women (especially brown trans women) who are regularly murdered.

When Mars Hill moved to town, so-called “representatives” of the queer “community” from the Q Center met with officials from the church in order to have dialog. What we have to say to the Q Center is this: FUCK YOU, you don’t represent us. You are disgusting traitors who prioritize social peace and the bourgeois aspirations of rich white cis gay people over the more pressing survival needs of more marginalized queers. Fuck dialog with people who want us dead, the only dialog we need with scum like Mars Hill is hammers through their windows.

We smashed Mars Hill because they make our lives miserable. We hope this small act of vengeance will strike some fear into the hearts of all of Mars Hill’s pastors, and warm the hearts of our friends and comrades (known or unknown). It may not get better, but we can certainly get even.

“theholychristian church.com”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#4 Jun 5, 2012
Brenda Lee Johnson wrote:
Luke Wrote:
Gays have been the driving force against Christianity while hiding behind atheism. Homosexuals have attacked the Boy Scouts, The Girl Scouts, Big Brother, The Salvation Army and any other institution that supports Christian values. Gays have been embolden by politicians who have pushed to forward the Gay Agenda while hiding important information about homosexual diseases.
Homosexuals who are less than 4% of the population now threaten and attack anyone who opposes their lifestyle. Judges and children are not excluded.
a) mind you that, if this is true, it is only a counter-attack. the so-called Christians started the attack on the gays, while the gospel teaches christians to love their
neighbour and their enemies. Sure, it may be difficult to love your enemy, but not at all difficult to love your gay neighbour.

b) christians are not to force their lifestyles upon others, for the bible does not teach then this: no gay is obliged to live by the christian rules and laws, if they choose
not to do so.

If you take the cross upon you: it is your cross!

----------

- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...

- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#5 Jun 5, 2012
Brenda Lee Johnson wrote:
Luke Wrote:
Gays have been the driving force against Christianity while hiding behind atheism. Homosexuals have attacked the Boy Scouts, The Girl Scouts, Big Brother, The Salvation Army and any other institution that supports Christian values. Gays have been embolden by politicians who have pushed to forward the Gay Agenda while hiding important information about homosexual diseases.
Homosexuals who are less than 4% of the population now threaten and attack anyone who opposes their lifestyle. Judges and children are not excluded.
Good... About time

About time the church reaps all the hate it sowed.
Cool Hand Luke

Bangkok, Thailand

#6 Jun 5, 2012
Your trying to over simplify the issue! Over 5000 years ago the Bible condemned homosexuality and to say we know this:

.

As of August 2011 homosexuals are responsible for 61% of all the Aids cases in the U.S.
.

For more information visit the CDC website here.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/HIVIncide...

2.During the same period syphilis in homosexuals is up 134%

“Citizens need to be given the information as to options about sexuality,” Goldberg continued.“Equal access to ‘ex-gay’ information is essential.”
http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats10/trends.htm

.

3. Increased incidence of infectious diseases
- gonorrhea- chlamydia - pubic lice- hepatitis A - hepatitis B
- hepatitis C - anal papilloma
Gays are still Banned From Donating Blood
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Blo...

4. The highest rate of anal cancer and shigellosis from eating feces.
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/acd/docs/Shi...

5.The Epidemic of Parasites in Gay Men

The incidence of gastrointestinal parasites rose exponentially in gay men during the two decades The transmission of parasites was associated with sexual activity that exposed partners to feces, particularly oral-anal sex or "rimming." By 2010, the prevalence of parasites was 60% or greater for homosexual men attending STD clinics or private practice.

.

6.Homosexuals make up less than 4% of the population .

"The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering,"Homosexuals make up less than 4% of the population .

"Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls."
Authorities say evidence examined disproves the assertion that child molestation is more prevalent among heterosexuals.
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats

The latest data now says 1 in 20 homosexuals are child molesters compared top 1 in 474 heterosexuals.
Cliff09 wrote:
<quoted text>
a) mind you that, if this is true, it is only a counter-attack. the so-called Christians started the attack on the gays, while the gospel teaches christians to love their
neighbour and their enemies. Sure, it may be difficult to love your enemy, but not at all difficult to love your gay neighbour.
b) christians are not to force their lifestyles upon others, for the bible does not teach then this: no gay is obliged to live by the christian rules and laws, if they choose
not to do so.
If you take the cross upon you: it is your cross!
----------
- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.
Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...
- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
Cool Hand Luke

Bangkok, Thailand

#7 Jun 5, 2012
My Boy! So did the leaders of the LGBT vote to use your explanation for Gay Feces eating? What did you say? Ah yes, Myth Busters says feces is airborne and lands on your tooth brush, I am still laughing about that one. It doesn't seem to land on heterosexuals toothbrushes.
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
Good... About time
About time the church reaps all the hate it sowed.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#8 Jun 5, 2012
Translation:

Homosexuals fight back against those that persecute them.

Well no shit.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#9 Jun 5, 2012
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
My Boy! So did the leaders of the LGBT vote to use your explanation for Gay Feces eating? What did you say? Ah yes, Myth Busters says feces is airborne and lands on your tooth brush, I am still laughing about that one. It doesn't seem to land on heterosexuals toothbrushes.
<quoted text>
Sounds like ya know all about it. Why ask me?

But yes it is most likely true Feces in the air from flush.

Web MD says it's true.
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/g...

so does this one.
http://offbeathome.com/2011/04/make-your-bath...

And this one as well
http://www.tbyil.com/Exposed_Toothbrushes.htm

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#10 Jun 5, 2012
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
Your trying to over simplify the issue! Over 5000 years ago the Bible condemned homosexuality and to say we know this:
.
As of August 2011 homosexuals are responsible for 61% of all the Aids cases in the U.S.
.
For more information visit the CDC website here.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/HIVIncide...
2.During the same period syphilis in homosexuals is up 134%
“Citizens need to be given the information as to options about sexuality,” Goldberg continued.“Equal access to ‘ex-gay’ information is essential.”
http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats10/trends.htm
.
3. Increased incidence of infectious diseases
- gonorrhea- chlamydia - pubic lice- hepatitis A - hepatitis B
- hepatitis C - anal papilloma
Gays are still Banned From Donating Blood
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Blo...
4. The highest rate of anal cancer and shigellosis from eating feces.
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/acd/docs/Shi...
5.The Epidemic of Parasites in Gay Men
The incidence of gastrointestinal parasites rose exponentially in gay men during the two decades The transmission of parasites was associated with sexual activity that exposed partners to feces, particularly oral-anal sex or "rimming." By 2010, the prevalence of parasites was 60% or greater for homosexual men attending STD clinics or private practice.
.
6.Homosexuals make up less than 4% of the population .
"The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering,"Homosexuals make up less than 4% of the population .
"Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls."
Authorities say evidence examined disproves the assertion that child molestation is more prevalent among heterosexuals.
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats
The latest data now says 1 in 20 homosexuals are child molesters compared top 1 in 474 heterosexuals.
<quoted text>
I'd say their are more then 4% gays in your church.
Horatio Caine

Miami, FL

#11 Jun 5, 2012
Gay feces eating is just another filthy practice Gays have been able to prevent from being publicized until now!

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Gay Sexual Practices Lead to Uptick in Disease

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FECAL SEX About 80% of gays admit to licking and/or inserting their tongues into the anus of partners and thus ingesting medically significant amounts of feces. Those who eat or wallow in it are probably at even greater risk. In the diary study,5 70% of the gays had engaged in this activity--half regularly over 6 months. Result?--the "annual incidence of hepatitis A in...homosexual men was 22 percent, whereas no heterosexual men acquired hepatitis A." In 1992,26 it was noted that the proportion of gays engaging in oral/anal sex had not declined.

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Gay Men and Shigellosis
What is Shigellosis?
Shigellosis is a disease that causes stomach cramps, fever, diarrhea and sometimes bloody diarrhea.
What causes Shigellosis?
Shigellosis is caused by the Shigella bacterium. Shigella is found in feces (shit).
Who gets it?
Anyone can get Shigellosis. Gay men get Shigellosis at higher rates than others. People with a weakened immune
system get more sick than others.
How do you get it?
You can get Shigellosis when feces comes in contact with your mouth. This can happen with oral/anal sex play. This
can happen when you use your fingers or hand for anal sex play and then touch your mouth. Even microscopic
amounts of feces that get into your mouth can cause Shigellosis.
How can I avoid Shigella?
Play safely. In addition to safe sex guidelines to prevent HIV, maintain good hygiene. Wash every
part of your body that is sexual with soap and water before, after and between sex play. Use condoms
or other kinds of barriers like dental dams, latex gloves or plastic wrap and be aware of
what body parts may have come into contact with feces during sex play. Wash them with soap
and water. Use condoms with sex toys, and discard the condoms after use.
What do I do if I think I have Shigellosis?
• If you think you have Shigellosis, see your doctor.
• Inform your partners.
• Wash your hands a lot.
• Don’t have sex until 7 days after symptoms end.
• Talk with a medical provider about what you can do to reduce your risk.
http://lapublichealth.org/acd/docs/Shigellosi...
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd say their are more then 4% gays in your church.
Horatio Caine

Miami, FL

#12 Jun 5, 2012
Need More Links?

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Feces Consumption Leads High Incidence of Intestinal Parasites Among Gays

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San Francisco -- San Francisco public health authorities have detected an unusual increase in cases of shigellosis, an unpleasant intestinal bug that can cause cramps, fever and bloody diarrhea for as long as a week.

So far this year, 205 cases of the bacterial infection, which is also know as bacillary dysentery, have been reported. That is nearly double the 113 cases reported during all of 1999. Of particular concern are the 50 cases reported in July and 60 cases in August -- the highest monthly rates since the city began tracking the disease in 1993.

A majority of the cases reported this year have been among gay men, who can be exposed to shigella bacteria through oral-anal contact. Day care workers also are at higher risk of contracting the illness.

``Because of the sharp increase in cases, it means people are engaged in behavior that puts them at risk for the disease,'' said Dr. Susan Fernyak, San Francisco director of communicable disease prevention.``It takes very few bacteria to transmit shigellosis. It's very infectious.''

There is no vaccine to prevent shigellosis, but it is readily treated with antibiotics. A similar illness, hepatitis A, does not respond to antibiotics, but cases of that illness have dropped sharply since a vaccine to prevent it became available.

Fernyak said those who are infected should not handle food. The bacteria may still be present in the body for as long as a week after symptoms of the illness are gone. It is possible for someone to contract a mild case of the bug and show few symptoms of the illness, but still be capable of transmitting it to others.

Dr. Tomas Aragon, director of Community Health and Epidemiology, said that there is a chronic low-level form of shigellosis in San Francisco's gay community and that periodically the number of cases will rise, particularly during the summer months.

Of the cases recorded this year, 82 percent were among men, and 63 percent of those volunteered information that they were gay or bisexual. Six men who contracted the diseases reported that they were heterosexual.

There were 17 cases of shigellosis among children under the age of 5 -- a rate that has not changed in recent years. Seven out of 10 cases reported this year involve a strain of shigella bacteria called sonnei, which tends to show up when the number of cases of the illness increases sharply. Another strain of the shigella, known as flexneri, is more common at chronic low levels of infection in the population.

Aragon said the number of cases reported so far this year put San Francisco on a pace to meet or exceed the 326 cases reported in 1995.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi...
High Incidence of Intestinal Bug Among Gays

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi...

“Yes we can. Change is good.”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#13 Jun 5, 2012
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
Good... About time
About time the church reaps all the hate it sowed.
So you promote hate and violence to counter perceived hate. Just brilliant.

“theholychristian church.com”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#14 Jun 5, 2012
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
Your trying to over simplify the issue! Over 5000 years ago the Bible condemned homosexuality and to say we know this:
<quoted text>
You hate-mongering fool! Am I not clear enough for you???

a) you have not got the right to 'condemn' anyone if the the bible condemns them: for you are not God. God condemns the act of homosexual intercourse, fine. You
may condemn that behaviour for those who 'claim' to follow Jesus - your fellow Christians, but not for others. And what you certainly do not condemn: the persons
whom are homosexuals. You do not harrass them, condemn them judge them, hate-monger on them, intimidate them etc.: for this is not 'loving your neighbour'. Ye
hypocrite. You are not a Christian, so stay off the platform!

No Christian shall in anyway utilize what you are preaching!

----------

- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...

- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
Geesh

Philadelphia, PA

#15 Jun 5, 2012
Of course, "Christians" like this Horatio Caine will try to make this a homosexual issue.

From his post....Day care workers also are at higher risk of contracting the illness.

Saliva, bacteria and fecal matter are just a few of the substances found on shopping cart handles.

It may not be a shock that there are a huge number of germs in most public bathrooms, but experts agree the cramped and overused ones on airplanes are the worst. There are often traces of E. coli or fecal bacteria on the faucets and door handles because it’s hard to wash hands in the tiny sinks. And the volcanic flush of the commode tends to spew particles into the air, coating the floor and walls with whatever had been swirling around in it.

Many samples of the purses also tested positive for fecal matter. When we flush the toilet, that water sprays, so anything set on the ground is likely to pick up some of it.
today.msnbc.msn.com/id/.../ns/.../t/soap-germ...

Because Shigella is carried by humans almost exclusively, and specifically the human intestinal tract, the way the bacteria is spread is almost always via poor personal hygiene. To be precise, that means food workers not washing their hands after going to the bathroom, and then transferring fecal matter to the food they are preparing, or directly to another person.

Shigella. It is a fairly common infection, especially among young children.

Anyone can get shigellosis, but it is seen most often in young children. Those who may be at greater risk include children in day care centers, travelers to certain foreign countries, men who have sex with men, and individuals living in institutional settings (for example: nursing homes, shelters, prisons, etc).
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/cd/cdshig.sh...

The Shigella bacteria is found in the human intestinal tract. It's also carried by flies, and it is sometimes found in water that's been contaminated by feces.
http://culinaryarts.about.com/od/commonfoodbo...

You get Shigella by eating food or drinking beverages that have been prepared by an infected person whose hands are contaminated with feces. You can also get it if your own hands are contaminated by feces, such as after changing a diaper, and then you eat with your hands or put your hands in your mouth. Because of this, the bacteria is spread easily within the family unit and between small children.
http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/dc/epidemiology/...

Swimming pools in Kentucky likely became contaminated when swimmers with shigellosis shed fecal matter into the water, which uninfected swimmers inadvertently ingested.
http://www.waterandhealth.org/shigella-outbre...

Shigellosis spreads quickly through a group, even from a single contaminated person, if preventive measures are not taken. The Shigella dyasenteriae bacterum is passed through stool, so if any infected person does not wash his hands, and then touches any surface or prepares food, he can spread it to others.
http://decodedscience.com/possible-illnesses-...

“I can see Russia from my house”

Since: May 10

Mullen, NE

#16 Jun 6, 2012
"Gays Behind Attacks On Christianity"

This is the dumbest statement I've read in a month.

Some of the most faithful Christians are gay.

Considering science proves without any doubts now that all humans are born with a given sexual orientation that happens to take place in the forth month of pregnancy and all three sexual orientations are not only natural and equal but without homosexuality or heterosexuality, human civilization could never have continued, this means if there is a God, the God created Evolution and gays and is pleased so it is only some humans having problems over the topic.

This is such a huge topic in range to post about it in several posts would not be possible however; to sum things up; Christianity of today is NOTHING like it was just 30 years ago and Christians of 100 years ago would not recognize much in what Christianity is today.

Going back further, Protestants were not even considered Christians. They were heretics! I sure hope no Protestants dare chime in on this topic considering that fact.

As for Catholics; it is divided into two sects; Western and Spiritual Eastern. Do not confuse spiritual Eastern with the Eastern Orthodox since that is another denomination that is not Catholic.

Out of the West and East Catholics you find Vatican Counsels one and two. MOST Catholics are up to date with Vatican Counsel two and understand well why there is a second counsel. There are some who refuses to accept much of Vatican two and they are still Catholic so long as they do not dare condemn Vatican two or they have excommunicated themselves from the Church and are no longer Catholic aka true Christians. They are then basically Protestant heretics going to Hell in a bread basket according to some.

To even get to a gay topic on this, one must understand Christianity and many don't seem to understand it well. Vatican one counsel never said anything negative about gays. It is a highly Spiritual realm and had and still does have the Baltimore Catechism of I think 1885 and revised later date. That is part of the RCC and is an historical Catechism of the RCC.

Vatican two counsel expanded on topics and was created mostly so people who did not understand Latin could have more fullness in the Mass. It went more into detail of topics and declared homosexuality as disorders and warned against unjust prejudiced against LGBT people. It further states in other paragraphs under conscience that people are free to disagree with Church teachings on that topic as well as other topics so long as not disagreeing on the topics of the foundations of Christianity which are few and directly to the point. Some claim gay is in the moral area of unchangeable areas but this is not true since the Church has changed in moral teachings in the past and will do so again. Example; slavery was a moral teaching but no longer is one.

“I can see Russia from my house”

Since: May 10

Mullen, NE

#17 Jun 6, 2012
"Gays Behind Attacks On Christianity"

Part 2 of 2

This is the dumbest statement I've read in a month.

Certain foundations of the Church aka Christianity are unchangeable while many do change as we learn more things and this is why we do not burn people at the stake for stating the Sun does not revolve around the earth each day anymore. We found out it doesn't work that way just as Vatican counsel three to come will soon explain about homosexuality.

As for gays attacking Christianity, there likely are some who do because they feel they have been attacked so they are actually fighting back against something they believe harms them or helps prevent them from having the over 2000 Civil Rights they lack however; now that the NAACP has declared gay marriage to be a Civil Rights matter, in two years, all States voting back and forth on this will end because it was always illegal for either side to vote on the rights of others. The NAACP will do as it did in the 60s and have this on the federal level as in LAW to be enforced by all 50 States and once this happens, all other Civil Rights will fall into place. It will not use the word marriage in the Constitution since we have a secular nation and Constitution where heterosexuals have nothing more than a secular marriage of civil union unless they go to what they think is a Church to have it worded a different way but no Church can legally marry anyone without that secular document soon to come for LGBT on the FEDERAL level.

National Guard will likely be called in on some bigoted States. I await that and think that is long overdue to round up the bigots and show them they are done with bigotry. They have two years no matter who a President is and that is it.

For gay Christians and considering Religion is but a choice, think of how much more faith it takes for a gay person to be a Christian when there has been so much negativity coming from certain areas calling themselves Christian sects or from the Vatican where the fallible Pope has commented in sin on the topic he is clueless about. For gay Christians it takes a whole lot more faith to be Christian than it does for a heterosexual so these people should be rewarded as SAINTS because that is basically what they are.

To even think gays in general or as if the majority of gays are attacking Christianity shows more ignorance not only of the facts in that area but a total lack of knowledge about Christianity.

No Protestant is even a Christian and most of the comes from heretics while some comes out of the actual real Church itself in the form of fallible humans since the Pope can only be infallible under extremely rare circumstances which in all of history has happened only twice in 2000 years and it is called Ex Cathedra. This Pope will never use it because he is far too sinful.

There IS NOT SUCH THING AS A TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE unless you want a rapist male to rape, force a woman and a hundred others into marriage and then have prostitutes on the side.

BTW, the Bible is not even fullness. Doctrine before and after the Bible is equal to the Bible and there is only one real version of the Bible and KJV is just a book made up by King James of England so trash it.

Here is from your KJV: Bible Based Marriage from America's best Christian lol

“I can see Russia from my house”

Since: May 10

Mullen, NE

#18 Jun 6, 2012
Brenda Lee Johnson wrote:
Luke Wrote:
Gays have been the driving force against Christianity while hiding behind atheism. Homosexuals have attacked the Boy Scouts, The Girl Scouts, Big Brother, The Salvation Army and any other institution that supports Christian values. Gays have been embolden by politicians who have pushed to forward the Gay Agenda while hiding important information about homosexual diseases.
Homosexuals who are less than 4% of the population now threaten and attack anyone who opposes their lifestyle. Judges and children are not excluded.
Protestants aka non Christian Heretics are the problem here not gays.

They read books like KJV and think it is the Bible. They are NUTS and are in no way anything Christian so they need to shut up on the topic or become Christian before they speak.

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#19 Jun 6, 2012
BlondPrincewclb wrote:
"Gays Behind Attacks On Christianity"
ThisExample; slavery was a moral teaching but no longer is one.
a) the churches have nothing to teach: they must only 'preach'= mimic the Gospel.

b) Some of the most faithful Christians are gay. Name me a few outstanding ones?

c) considering science proves without any doubts now that all humans are born with a given sexual orientation ...

Indeed, and it does make one wonder how God could exclude an entire group of people from salvation, or even to place a weight as heavy on them as to make
them born Gay, to then overcome this homosexuality and live a straight live. That's why I say: gays who want to be Christians need not listen to any church en just
ignore what Paul said: and live a Christian life.

http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/gay-chr...

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Since: May 08

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#20 Jun 6, 2012
SeenDemons wrote:
<quoted text>So you promote hate and violence to counter perceived hate. Just brilliant.
No that the churches way.
I support educating our youth to know that it is okay to be difference. To stop the next generation before it learns to hate anyone that is different. To teach the young that it is okay to be gay.

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