ORIGINAL SIN? Are we born sinners or ...
concerned in Brasil

Brazil

#429 Nov 8, 2009
Seentheotherside wrote:
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What, they are from the book of mythology you CLAIM are your demon "god's" own word, showing how EVIL he is. So I cannot be evil simply by showing you what your demon master is like, using his own words.
Again you are no authority your declaration holds no power or weight for those of us who operate in the realm of Reality.

You are evil though, whether you agree with the bible or not as you have mis-represented, and taken it out of context and that is evil.

Blessings
Tickedoffchick

Enfield, CT

#430 Nov 8, 2009
concerned in Brasil wrote:
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Your hear say is just that, empty hot air.
Thanks for coming out, but you will have to much better than that with me.
Blessings in the Truth.
It's not at all. I understand you would be too afraid to read any case studies, by qualified therapists, on past life and in between life regression. You can research and find them. I have no interest in attempting to explain something to you that you are too afraid to hear. I just wanted to point out that Seen is NOT lying, nor is he "demon possessed". Your particular "truth" is lacking, and for that matter, the Bible is strictly hearsay. NOTHING was written until well after Jesus' death. I'm afraid YOU don't have proof.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#431 Nov 8, 2009
concerned in Brasil wrote:
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Again you are no authority your declaration holds no power or weight for those of us who operate in the realm of Reality.
You are evil though, whether you agree with the bible or not as you have mis-represented, and taken it out of context and that is evil.
Blessings
Nope, you're lying, I proved you worship an evil demon and used his own words to do it.

You do NOT come anywhere close to REALITY. You live your entire life in a delusional brainwashed Christian stupor.

Now if you watch a movie about an evil cult leader who threatens, brainwashes, lies to, tells them not to listen to ANYONE else because they are evil, Satan, demons, etc, and does horrible evil sick things to others, you would be saying to yourself, what the hell is WRONG with those people? Can't they SEE that he is an evil liar? What are they, retarded, what's WRONG with them to make them unable to SEE how evil he is?

Well, YOU are one of those mindless brainwashed cult followers.
concerned in Brasil

Brazil

#432 Nov 8, 2009
Seentheotherside wrote:
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Nope, you're lying, I proved you worship an evil demon and used his own words to do it.
You do NOT come anywhere close to REALITY. You live your entire life in a delusional brainwashed Christian stupor.
Now if you watch a movie about an evil cult leader who threatens, brainwashes, lies to, tells them not to listen to ANYONE else because they are evil, Satan, demons, etc, and does horrible evil sick things to others, you would be saying to yourself, what the hell is WRONG with those people? Can't they SEE that he is an evil liar? What are they, retarded, what's WRONG with them to make them unable to SEE how evil he is?
Well, YOU are one of those mindless brainwashed cult followers.
wow again your non evidential non historical non factual posts are so easy, let me try your insane way.

Nope, you're lying, I proved you worship an evil demon and used his own words to do it.

You do NOT come anywhere close to REALITY. You live your entire life in a delusional brainwashed Pagan indivualistic stupor.

Now if you watch a movie about an evil cult leader who threatens, brainwashes, lies to, tells them not to listen to ANYONE else because they are evil, Satan, demons, etc, and does horrible evil sick things to others, you would be saying to yourself, what the hell is WRONG with those people? Can't they SEE that he is an evil liar? What are they, retarded, what's WRONG with them to make them unable to SEE how evil he is?

Well, YOU are one of those mindless brainwashed pagan cult followers.

wow that was so easy no need for research or objectivety, nope just a plain close minded I am right to hell with the rest attitude is needed.

YOU are so pathetic and you don't even know it, that is what makes you pathetic.

Truth matters your posts are absent of truth thus your posts don't matter.
Hart Westford

West Hartford, CT

#433 Nov 8, 2009
Seentheotherside wrote:
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Hey, West Hartford troll, still waiting for me to show up at your "Christian" demon convention/trap for Seen?
Just cause you're PARANOID doesn't mean the Holy Spirit isn't out to GET YA!!

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#434 Nov 8, 2009
concerned in Brasil wrote:
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wow again your non evidential non historical non factual posts are so easy, let me try your insane way.
Nope, you're lying, I proved you worship an evil demon and used his own words to do it.
You do NOT come anywhere close to REALITY. You live your entire life in a delusional brainwashed Pagan indivualistic stupor.
Now if you watch a movie about an evil cult leader who threatens, brainwashes, lies to, tells them not to listen to ANYONE else because they are evil, Satan, demons, etc, and does horrible evil sick things to others, you would be saying to yourself, what the hell is WRONG with those people? Can't they SEE that he is an evil liar? What are they, retarded, what's WRONG with them to make them unable to SEE how evil he is?
Well, YOU are one of those mindless brainwashed pagan cult followers.
wow that was so easy no need for research or objectivety, nope just a plain close minded I am right to hell with the rest attitude is needed.
YOU are so pathetic and you don't even know it, that is what makes you pathetic.
Truth matters your posts are absent of truth thus your posts don't matter.
Ah, so you DO see how brainwashed you are, that's a step in the road to recovery!!! I commend you!!

Now if you want to learn about any REAL spiritual matters let me know.

Time to grow up, throw away the crutches of your Christian delusiona and live in the real world, and learn about REAL spiritual matters, so that you cah spiritually evolve enough to pass your judgment and finally enter Heaven.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#435 Nov 8, 2009
Typo delusiona=delusions

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#436 Nov 8, 2009
Hart Westford wrote:
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Just cause you're PARANOID doesn't mean the Holy Spirit isn't out to GET YA!!
LMAO

R-I-G-H-T, you "invite" me to some some mysterious hole in the wall address late at night, I think it was 11:30 P.M., to "speak" to some nutcase wacko "Christians" on a topic they would become enraged over, sounds hokey enough to begin with. Then add to that a comment you made about how angry you were at my comments, and wanted to meet up with me, it's not too hard to figure out your deception jackass.

And you contradicted yourself in your post dumbass.
Hart Westford

West Hartford, CT

#437 Nov 11, 2009
Seentheotherside wrote:
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LMAO
R-I-G-H-T, you "invite" me to some some mysterious hole in the wall address late at night, I think it was 11:30 P.M., to "speak" to some nutcase wacko "Christians" on a topic they would become enraged over, sounds hokey enough to begin with. Then add to that a comment you made about how angry you were at my comments, and wanted to meet up with me, it's not too hard to figure out your deception jackass.
And you contradicted yourself in your post dumbass.
OK - so you found out about the real nature of the meeting[sigh]...

After we waited for you in the dark with duct tape and blunt objects for 3 hours...

You BET we were angry, Seen.

We were so revved up after your no-show we jumped three Unitarians, attacked a Buddhist [while he was meditating] and beat up a nun...

Still - being CHRISTIANS we forgive you for being so suspicious.

God bless!
concerned in Brasil

Brazil

#438 Nov 12, 2009
Seentheotherside wrote:
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Ah, so you DO see how brainwashed you are, that's a step in the road to recovery!!! I commend you!!
Now if you want to learn about any REAL spiritual matters let me know.
Time to grow up, throw away the crutches of your Christian delusiona and live in the real world, and learn about REAL spiritual matters, so that you cah spiritually evolve enough to pass your judgment and finally enter Heaven.
Wow now you give us even more passive agrresive nonsense. LOL again you prove you are useless in your present state of evil.

Blessings.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#439 Nov 12, 2009
concerned in Brasil wrote:
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Wow now you give us even more passive agrresive nonsense. LOL again you prove you are useless in your present state of evil.
Blessings.
Nope, not at all evil like you Christians. And sorry that you're so full of your brainwashed Christian delusions, you have nothing truly spiritual to bring to the table.
Scott

United States

#440 Mar 25, 2011
Alphabet wrote:
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Are you sure? Isn't it a sin to kill a living organism? Didn't Jesus kill the fig tree for not having fruit? Especially so when the fig tree was not in season?
Killing a living organism is not a sin. Killing someone in war is not a sin. Murdering someone is a sin. There is a huge difference between killing and murder.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#441 Mar 25, 2011
Scott wrote:
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Killing a living organism is not a sin. Killing someone in war is not a sin. Murdering someone is a sin. There is a huge difference between killing and murder.
Says who?
Supreme Wisdom

Southfield, MI

#442 Dec 11, 2011
When talking about born sinners, The Bible is talking about the devils, who are born sinners because they were made in sin. An original man is good by nature, the devil is evil by nature. Let us make man, in our image and our likeness. Those that were made were in our image and likeness and were mankind. You white people were born sinners because you were man made by the Black Man that's why you are called a kind of a man. You use Christianity to enslave the minds of the Black man which is not a color it is universal, Black, Brown, Red, and Yellow. The White man is the devil by nature. Your the earliest people and have only been around for little over 6000 years, you are the Adam and Eve of the Bible but not of the world! We the black nation was here 66 trillion years ago. You were made from us! Civilization was made from us. Your God is not our God!
Supreme Wisdom

Southfield, MI

#443 Dec 11, 2011
Yacub is your God, he made you within 200 years, on the Island of Pelan. By killing off the black germ and keeping the brown germ and doing this process over and over until the last germ which is the white man was created he came out pale skinned, blue eyes, and blonde hair, the weakest of all the nations. This is how you were born in sin, and why killing and stealing is so easy to the white man, If the baby was not light enough the doctors would stick a pin in its brain to kill it. You were taught tricknology, a method of tricks and lies, and deceit, and mischief to get what you want. Yacub lived 150 years and his teachings and practices went on for another 50 years.
Kevin

Overland Park, KS

#444 Jan 12, 2012
OutoftheSaltShaker wrote:
Adam and Eve sinned in the beginning - they had only one rule that they had to obey and they chose not to obey God. God wanted to protect them from suffering but they chose not to listen to God. They couldn't go back or take back their bite they were stuck. So, anyone who is born from the seed of their earthly father is birthed with sin because Adam and Eve chose to disobey God in the beginning. You know that is true because a baby can get really, really mad when you don't come when they cry. That is their first bout of anger. Which, given a man/woman who gets that angry ususally attaches hateful words and sometimes threats of some kind of abuse. This happens because we naturally are born sinners. But we can't just rely on that being our only reason we are a sinner. All it takes is for us to tell just one lie or to lust after another person or to steal something big or small, etc...to make us a sinner. We are guilty no matter which way we look at it. But I do believe we are born sinners and we choose to sin each and every day. And it is that reason why Jesus is so special because His Father is God not man. And, God never sinned. Jesus is born through a women but His Father's seed is from God. Our seed that is from our earthly fathers. That is why we are sinners but Jesus never sinned. He was never born a sinner nor did He sin.
But a baby is unaccountable for its actions. It's innocent and ignorant of right and wrong. A baby may cry or even get angry because of what it perceives it NEEDS. It's a matter of survival, then, not of doing what he or she knows is wrong. So I can't agree with your assessment here.
Kevin

Overland Park, KS

#445 Jan 12, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
When do we start holding the mentally disabled or the "insane" accountable for their sins? How is this realization of right and wrong evaluated?
EXCELLENT POINT!
David

Del Rio, TX

#446 Jan 25, 2012
Alphabet wrote:
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Are you sure? Isn't it a sin to kill a living organism? Didn't Jesus kill the fig tree for not having fruit? Especially so when the fig tree was not in season?
No it is not a sin to kill.
And the commandment against murder only applies to humans.
David

Del Rio, TX

#447 Jan 25, 2012
concerned in Brasil wrote:
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Wow now you give us even more passive agrresive nonsense. LOL again you prove you are useless in your present state of evil.
Blessings.
Oh he isn't useless.

He will glorify God just fine in hell as he burns eternally for his unrepentant sins.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#449 Jan 26, 2012
Dell Russell wrote:
It has been the view of many Christians for many centuries that man is born with a sinful nature or as some would call it "original sin". I have studied it pretty well I think, but can not find that the scripture backs "original sin" or "one being born a sinner" when all scripture is taken into account and in context.
What is your thoughts?

EDITED FOR ROOM
GREETINGS, SALUTATIONS, AND SHALOWM, ALL.

I apologize if I'm late, having just seen this thread, or even if I'm not on current topic. I only thought to add my hay-penny's worth, if we don't mind. Anyway...

I believe that such a belief is erroneous, based on terminological misunderstandings and misguided interpretations. I don't believe man inherited sin, per se, but man did inherit uncleanness.

Case in point. If Adam committed adultery, there would be no justifiable reason to even assume that all after him become adulterers and adulteresses. Adultery, for the most part, is learned, while the intention to commit adultery might be perceived as "natural." By my saying that adultery is learned is to say that we perceive adultery by what we've learned from others. If we grow in any environment where adultery is common and acceptable, then we'll most likely harbor the same attitude toward adultery.

Adam sinned. And because he sinned, he became unclean. Numerous scriptures can attest to this. Now, all that were in his loins at the time of his transgression became unclean, too. Considering that Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, were all direct descendants of Adam, and all come from these men, then Adam's uncleanness continued in all of us. I believe that it was this uncleanness that our anointed Savior came to clean us from, that we might have a clean slate before Father "God." One could never sacrifice and become clean from Adam's trangression that made all men unclean, but our anointed Savior wasn't born, literally, from this same lineage, through Joseph. The actual seed that became unclean on the earth was duplicated in heaven and placed in Mary's womb in order for our anointed Savior to be born of a woman, also being from the seed of Adam, Noah, Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Judah, but exempt from this uncleanness. Had this not been the case, then even our anointed Savior would not have been an acceptable sacrifice.

It's obvious that sin is natural in us. If that weren't true, then there'd be no need of the commandments, to teach us the difference between the two. If man inherited sin, though, even infants would have to be judged at their resurrection, even though they've never done righteousness or wickedness, or have no comprehension and knowledge of either.

Much confusion comes from such verses as Psalm 58:3. This says, "The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies." To understand, any reference to being "born in sin" is not to be understood literally. Such a pronouncement is made to help us understand how engrossed in sin we've become. We must ask ourselves, according to what's said in this verse, what newborn has ever began sinning and speaking lies the moment it was born? The point to such sayings is to show us that we've become so intrigued by sin, that hope is nearly lost that any one child might learn righteousness as they grow and mature. Their environments, from the moment of their birth, are encompassed by sinners and their wickedness. Naturally, if they only witness sin and not righteousness as they grow into adulthood, they're only going to follow suit until they learn otherwise.

In conclusion, none are born guilty of murder, or adultery, or fornication, or covetousness. All, though, were born unclean. Our anointed Savior came, though, and made mankind clean again, being the only person capable of removing this uncleanness from us, being the only man born clean and untainted by Adam's uncleanness. In this, I thank him for what he's done for us.

Thank you.

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