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Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#21 Feb 22, 2013
Buck wrote:
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so you are trying to equal man's ratio with that of GOD's am I right? Who hath known the mind of GOD?
man cannot begin to comprehend all that GOD is or what is contained in his mind.
GOD is so great that even the heavens and heavens cannot contain Him. food for thought. YOU CAN NEVER EQUAL GOD AND MAN
It says who will you liken GOD to? Who is His equal? and I can most assure you GOD's equal is not mere man.
This is all apologist BS. Nothing but the ramblings of Priests, Preachers, Rabbi's and the other assorted Religious loudmouths who when confronted with Q's they cant answer fall back on the "Too Big, Too Much to comprehend" excuses.

Yet they will waste no time making the decisions for this same Being...and doing it with authority over the pew-sitters. When no one but themselves appointed them as such...

There are two heavens?
IamHim

United States

#22 Feb 22, 2013
Buck wrote:
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Are you asking yourself this question? you asked the question so it must be you have doubts about if GOD does know everything.
Heres what you said NOT ME lol
Buck wrote:
GOD became a man because He only could become man's salavation. Someone without sin, how else could GOD know the feelings of a human if He didn't become one Himself.
So it was a question to you. Because you said that God could not know the feelings of a human (though He created these feelings) if He did not become human Himself.
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu

Chardon, OH

#23 Feb 22, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Actually no, the God of the Bible is not triune, but he is triune in the Doctrines of xtianity - which vary across the sects.
You’re in error big time Punisher. The Doctrine of the Trinity is a Biblically sound doctrine for ALL Christians. There are no Christian sects. One is either a Christian on his way to heaven or one is a sinner on his way to hell. End of story. Any religious group that denies the trinity is a cult. Any cult that calls itself Christian while denying that God is triune is a Christian cult.
Punisher wrote:
The notion of the Trinity is perhpas the most specious and least needed of all Xtian Doctrine. If it was repealed tomorrow, it would not be noticed and it would not effect any believers faith.
Wrong again! For example, the deity of Christ is crucially important to the doctrine of salvation. If Jesus were not God, His death could not have paid the infinite penalty of sin.
Punisher wrote:
Every believer holds skepticism re; the Trinity, as none can truly explain it properly, if doctrinally at all...
Homoousios is not in any of the earliest manuscripts, or Bible texts, it was a hotly debated idea, where many lost their lives (those xtians, and their love of murdering the opposition) where many were either banished, declared apostates, both, etc, etc...till the controversy was decided by an Emperor, thru a civil law forced upon Xtians and their Churches.
The Doctrine became a law - Imperial decree - and was forced UPON Xtians from the outside. For political control reasons, and not really for a clean theology and doctrine system.
The concept of the Trinity is unnecessary for belief, Faith and likely even salvation.
I agree the Trinity is a mystery, which no finite human being can fully, or perfectly, understand. For salvation to be received, God requires us to trust in Jesus Christ, God incarnate, as the Savior.

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#24 Feb 24, 2013
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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You’re in error big time Punisher. The Doctrine of the Trinity is a Biblically sound doctrine for ALL Christians. There are no Christian sects. One is either a Christian on his way to heaven or one is a sinner on his way to hell. End of story. Any religious group that denies the trinity is a cult. Any cult that calls itself Christian while denying that God is triune is a Christian cult.
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Wrong again! For example, the deity of Christ is crucially important to the doctrine of salvation. If Jesus were not God, His death could not have paid the infinite penalty of sin.
<quoted text>
I agree the Trinity is a mystery, which no finite human being can fully, or perfectly, understand. For salvation to be received, God requires us to trust in Jesus Christ, God incarnate, as the Savior.
Meaning of trinity: 1. A group consisting of three closely related members. Also called trinity.

Jesus only said: I and my father are one. Not the son IS the father. We sometimes use this quote to describe a close friendship: I and Pamela are one; the best of buddies!

Nobody has to believe that Jesus is god, for he is not: he is like God; as good as God - but not
God.

Show me where in the gospel the trinity is doctrinated to be understood as Jesus being God.

Baptize in the name of F.S.H. was added to the NT. Baptize in the name of Jesus Christ was the
norm in the days of Christ. It is not.

Biblical metaphors are continuously used to contort the truth out of sentences. Mega Churches
use them bigtime to preach to fools that they need not repent and baptize to be christian and
receive the christians reward of everlasting life.

JOH 10: 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
JOH 10: 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
JOH 10: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
JOH 10: 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
JOH 10: 30 I and my Father are one.
buck

AOL

#25 Feb 24, 2013
when Jesus was being tempted in the wilderness He replied to satan, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy GOD".
food for thought
and how would anyone know grief and pain of losing someone they love if they have not gone through it themsmselves.
makes sense doesn't it.
look at what GOD allowed satan to do to Job. Was Job a pawn in a game between GOD and satan? GOD allowed satan to take everything Job had including his 10 children! Do you actually think GOD was feeling for Job prior to allowing satan to do all this evil to him? GOD hadn't yet become human to dwell on earth so really how could GOD know the pain and heartache of losing a child, much less the sum of losing 10 children?
IamHim

United States

#26 Feb 24, 2013
buck wrote:
when Jesus was being tempted in the wilderness He replied to satan, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy GOD".
food for thought
and how would anyone know grief and pain of losing someone they love if they have not gone through it themsmselves.
makes sense doesn't it.
look at what GOD allowed satan to do to Job. Was Job a pawn in a game between GOD and satan? GOD allowed satan to take everything Job had including his 10 children! Do you actually think GOD was feeling for Job prior to allowing satan to do all this evil to him? GOD hadn't yet become human to dwell on earth so really how could GOD know the pain and heartache of losing a child, much less the sum of losing 10 children?
So even though God Almighty CREATED the feelings that humans feel, He didnt know about them? So He didnt know EVERYTHING till He became human? And then once becoming human He made confusing statements to show He wasnt God? And prayed to Himself? I thought Paul said He wasnt the author of confusion.

“The free grace of God”

Since: Aug 07

Phoenix, Arizona.

#27 Feb 24, 2013
"I hear some people say if you
dont believe in the trinity your
not saved. Where in the bible
does it say this ?"

The Bible depicts the Godhead as "Father", "Son" and
"Holy Spirit".

If you deny this Trinitarian formula then you rely for
your salvation on something ~other~ than the God of the
Bible.

The DataRat
Frank

Holly Springs, NC

#28 Feb 24, 2013
Ant wrote:
I hear some people say if you dont believe in the trinity your not saved.
It can be turned around and said that those whom *do* believe in the trinity cannot be "saved" because it's considered a form of idolatry.

Depends on who you ask and whether or not you believe the church over the Torah and the reported words of Yeshuah.

peace
buck

AOL

#29 Feb 24, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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So even though God Almighty CREATED the feelings that humans feel, He didnt know about them? So He didnt know EVERYTHING till He became human? And then once becoming human He made confusing statements to show He wasnt God? And prayed to Himself? I thought Paul said He wasnt the author of confusion.
and He isn't, maybe you're the one confused whoops
and I'm not saying that GOD did not have feelings
but like the old saying "how does one know how another feels especially in Job's situation of losing 10 children in one day, if they haven't gone through it themselves".
IamHim

United States

#30 Feb 24, 2013
buck wrote:
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and He isn't, maybe you're the one confused whoops
and I'm not saying that GOD did not have feelings
but like the old saying "how does one know how another feels especially in Job's situation of losing 10 children in one day, if they haven't gone through it themselves".
What Im saying is that this makes no sense. If God Almighty knows all then He knows ALL. He doesnt need to "learn" anything. My question is, how can He know ALL and yet need to become a human to learn how they feel? Do you think humans know anything that God Almighty doesnt know?
buck

AOL

#31 Feb 25, 2013
okay I think we are straying from the real topic of discussion here.
truth is, you do not have to believe in the trinity to be saved and besides the Bible doesn't say that at all!
It says "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved and thine house" It does not say "Believe in the trinity and thou shalt be saved"
and if you truly do believe in GOD, you will follow the steps of the born again procedure as outlined in the Bible. Amen
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#32 Feb 25, 2013
buck wrote:
okay I think we are straying from the real topic of discussion here.
truth is, you do not have to believe in the trinity to be saved and besides the Bible doesn't say that at all!
It says "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved and thine house" It does not say "Believe in the trinity and thou shalt be saved"
and if you truly do believe in GOD, you will follow the steps of the born again procedure as outlined in the Bible. Amen
AMEN!!

This si why people are walking away from churches now, they are reading the bible for themselves instead of relying on pastor and now seeing alot of things they have been taught is not even biblical.
buck

AOL

#33 Feb 26, 2013
I must agree there tiny Ant
note that in Revelation chapter 2 Jesus
says His oughts with the churches.
Is it any wonder the churches today are falling apart.#1 big problem and it is quite obvious to many is "GREED" yes those that run the churches are greedy dogs, they never have enough.
Church was never about money and years ago they didn't beg for it either!

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