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Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#1 Feb 12, 2013
I hear some people say if you dont believe in the trinity your not saved. Where in the bible does it say this?

I believe in God- The Father, Jesus- The Son, and The Holy Spirit...but dont see the trinity doctrines of Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus as the Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God.

The scriptures make is quite clear on what one must do to be saved.

Romans 10:9-10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

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Since: Jun 09

Placitas, NM

#2 Feb 12, 2013
Ant wrote:
I hear some people say if you dont believe in the trinity your not saved. Where in the bible does it say this?
I believe in God- The Father, Jesus- The Son, and The Holy Spirit...but dont see the trinity doctrines of Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus as the Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God.
The scriptures make is quite clear on what one must do to be saved.
Romans 10:9-10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Though the Trinity is a doctrinal position of most Christian denominations it is still a mystery. The way I see it God the Father is the creator of all things, Jesus Christ the manifestation of God's love and the Holy Spirit the manifestation of God's wisdom.

Anyway, I don't think you even need to believe in Biblegod to be saved but this is sure to drive the fundies into a frenzy.

God bless you. May you be filled with love and wisdom.
Big Al

Grand Rapids, MN

#3 Feb 12, 2013
Ant wrote:
I hear some people say if you dont believe in the trinity your not saved. Where in the bible does it say this?
I believe in God- The Father, Jesus- The Son, and The Holy Spirit...but dont see the trinity doctrines of Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus as the Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God.
The scriptures make is quite clear on what one must do to be saved.
Romans 10:9-10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Why would an omniscient, omnipotent “God” care what a human being believed or didn’t believe?

"The concept of religion...certainly goes far beyond the narrow concepts of God promulgated by many representatives of denominational and institutional religion. They often depict...God as a being who is primarily concerned with being believed in by the greatest possible number of believers…”- Viktor Frankl, neurologist, psychiatrist and Holocaust survivor
buck

AOL

#4 Feb 21, 2013
Ant wrote:
I hear some people say if you dont believe in the trinity your not saved. Where in the bible does it say this?
I believe in God- The Father, Jesus- The Son, and The Holy Spirit...but dont see the trinity doctrines of Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus as the Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God.
The scriptures make is quite clear on what one must do to be saved.
Romans 10:9-10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Hey there tiny ant from California lol
The Trinity is a man made doctrine and in fact there are Bibles being printed with the word "trinity" in its margins and that is adding to the Bible. and you know what happens when you add or take away from the Bible. GOD NEVER SAID ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE THAT HE WAS A "TRINITY". The devils KNOW there is ONE GOD and they tremble at this. food for thought people
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu

Chardon, OH

#5 Feb 21, 2013
Ant wrote:
I hear some people say if you dont believe in the trinity your not saved. Where in the bible does it say this?
I believe in God- The Father, Jesus- The Son, and The Holy Spirit...but dont see the trinity doctrines of Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus as the Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God.
The scriptures make is quite clear on what one must do to be saved.
Romans 10:9-10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Q: Do You Have to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?

Hi Ant:

A: One has to believe in the God of the Bible to be saved. And the God of the Bible is a triune God.

The Bible teaches that there is one true God made up of three distinct persons; the Godhead.(Not three Gods.) He has revealed Himself as the eternally self-existent "I AM," the Creator of heaven and earth and the Redeemer of mankind.

Does the Bible teach the Trinity? Yes!

*The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2).

*Jesus Christ is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20).

*The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).

But, there is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).

I suggest you look up these scriptures.

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#6 Feb 21, 2013
Ant wrote:
I hear some people say if you dont believe in the trinity your not saved. Where in the bible does it say this?
I believe in God- The Father, Jesus- The Son, and The Holy Spirit...but dont see the trinity doctrines of Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus as the Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God.
The scriptures make is quite clear on what one must do to be saved.
Romans 10:9-10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
To take this quote as 'Proof' of what you must do is a error! A grave error! It is not to be taken literally.

a) if you confess with your mouth the lord Jesus: this means you must believe everything he taught, his whole doctrine. And he taught you to:

a - repent
b - baptize to wash away your sins and become Holy, so you receive the holy ghost as a gift.

Before repentance one must believe everything he taught! Not halfway!

Believe that jesus is LIKE the father: as he said.
Believe in God as his father
Believe in the holy ghost, which you shall receive after your TRUE baptism. It is very simple. The trinity from man is something else, though. The fathers, son and
holy ghost are not one ( only symbolically ) for they ate three, but inseparable.

Read the Gospel for the proof: the words of Jesus are the Gospel. The Apostles only preach it.

BAPTIZE, LIKE JESUS HAS: if had to, who the hek are you?
JOH 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
JOH 3: 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
JOH 3: 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

MAT 18: 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
JOH 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
JOH 3: 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
PE1 1: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

ONCE BAPTISED, NO MORE REMISSION FOR SIN
HEB 10: 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
HEB 10: 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

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Location hidden

#7 Feb 21, 2013
The holy spirit is the spiritual part of God ( just a ghost ). Simple.
The holy spirit is the same: a ghost. Only Fools worry about what is what. Read Jesus and
believe is all you need to do.

My Page of the Holy Ghost
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/the-hol...

The word Holy Ghost is first used in Matthew.

MAT 1: 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

ACT 2: 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

ACT 10: 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The first NT use:
LUK 11: 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

IN THE OLD TESTAMENT only Holy spirit is used.

PSA 51: 11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
ISA 63: 10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
ISA 63: 11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#8 Feb 21, 2013
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
<quoted text>
Q: Do You Have to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?
Hi Ant:
A: One has to believe in the God of the Bible to be saved. And the God of the Bible is a triune God.
The Bible teaches that there is one true God made up of three distinct persons; the Godhead.(Not three Gods.) He has revealed Himself as the eternally self-existent "I AM," the Creator of heaven and earth and the Redeemer of mankind.
Does the Bible teach the Trinity? Yes!
*The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2).
*Jesus Christ is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20).
*The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).
But, there is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).
I suggest you look up these scriptures.
Jesus IS NOT God.

Matthew 28:18
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying,“All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

-All power and authority was given to him by? God
-He prayed to the father
-He told us to pray to the father
-He cried out to the father on the cross
-No one knows when Jesus will return, not even Jesus himself, only God himself knows
Just think

Moultrie, GA

#9 Feb 21, 2013
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
<quoted text>
Q: Do You Have to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?
Hi Ant:
A: One has to believe in the God of the Bible to be saved. And the God of the Bible is a triune God.
The Bible teaches that there is one true God made up of three distinct persons; the Godhead.(Not three Gods.) He has revealed Himself as the eternally self-existent "I AM," the Creator of heaven and earth and the Redeemer of mankind.
Does the Bible teach the Trinity? Yes!
*The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2).
*Jesus Christ is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20).
*The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).
But, there is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).
I suggest you look up these scriptures.
Scriptures can be hard to understand and twisted to suit ones agenda. I suggest people ask themselves, why would God use himself to prove a point?

Adam was a man God created. To undo what Adam had done would take an equally created man. Jesus was born and proved that infact, a created man would be faithful to God.

Had God used himself, he wouldn't have proven a thing and would look like a liar. No way that can happen because he can not tell a lie.

There is no such thing as a trinity. There is God, his Holy spirit which he uses to get things done and there is Jesus, his Son. The Son that proved his own self to be faithful to the death.
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#10 Feb 21, 2013
Just think wrote:
<quoted text>
Scriptures can be hard to understand and twisted to suit ones agenda. I suggest people ask themselves, why would God use himself to prove a point?
Adam was a man God created. To undo what Adam had done would take an equally created man. Jesus was born and proved that infact, a created man would be faithful to God.
Had God used himself, he wouldn't have proven a thing and would look like a liar. No way that can happen because he can not tell a lie.
There is no such thing as a trinity. There is God, his Holy spirit which he uses to get things done and there is Jesus, his Son. The Son that proved his own self to be faithful to the death.
AMEN!!!

Well said
buck

AOL

#11 Feb 21, 2013
GOD became a man because He only could become man's salavation. Someone without sin, how else could GOD know the feelings of a human if He didn't become one Himself. How do you know that GOD would not become human to prove a point?
and we know that He doesn't have to prove anything, just because GOD became a man to die for man's sin doesn't indicate in anyway that He came to prove a point about anything.
"GOD WAS manifest in the flesh..."
in 1 Timothy 3 verse 16. and again it says that "GOD was manifest in the flesh". and that my friend says that GOD was seen in human form.
GOD is a Spirit and does not have flesh and bone but in order for man to see GOD, He had to have a body of flesh.
It says that GOD is "invisible" and no man hath seen Him nor can see Him.
so GOD is born as a son into the world.
GOD was the Spirit inside Jesus telling Him what to say and showing Him what to do, read this in John 14:10.
Better yet, read John 14 verse 7.
and I quote " If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him." also helpful would be another verse in John chapter 10 verse 30.
" I and my Father are one". not two or three but "ONE". food for thought

“theholychristian church.com”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#12 Feb 21, 2013
Just think wrote:
<quoted text>
Scriptures can be hard to understand and twisted to suit ones agenda. I suggest people ask themselves, why would God use himself to prove a point?
Adam was a man God created. To undo what Adam had done would take an equally created man. Jesus was born and proved that infact, a created man would be faithful to God.
Had God used himself, he wouldn't have proven a thing and would look like a liar. No way that can happen because he can not tell a lie.
There is no such thing as a trinity. There is God, his Holy spirit which he uses to get things done and there is Jesus, his Son. The Son that proved his own self to be faithful to the death.
There is no 'actual' trinity; not to be interpreted literally!

The trinity as quoted by the churches can only be interpreted as a metaphor: what it actually is. It
is a metaphor reflecting the define authority of God, Christ and the Holy Ghost: the three most
holy beings with the highest authority in the universe.

----------

- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...

- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
- Protect the Children from Satan in the Churches: http://www.silentlambs.org
socci

Cameron, MO

#13 Feb 21, 2013

Who are saved with right to the Tree of Life we are told are the saints who keep God's 10C law and have the faith of Jesus.(Rev 14:12)

The faith of Jesus is the same as the Gospel, that is the whole Bible, which is not hard to understand. Some just reject what is written. We are told God came down to earth (1 Tim 3:16) and Jesus is the Creator (Jn 1:1-11). Many others on the Godhead:

Father - God
Son - God
Holy Spirit - God
IamHim

Duncan, OK

#14 Feb 21, 2013
buck wrote:
GOD became a man because He only could become man's salavation. Someone without sin, how else could GOD know the feelings of a human if He didn't become one Himself. How do you know that GOD would not become human to prove a point?
and we know that He doesn't have to prove anything, just because GOD became a man to die for man's sin doesn't indicate in anyway that He came to prove a point about anything.
"GOD WAS manifest in the flesh..."
in 1 Timothy 3 verse 16. and again it says that "GOD was manifest in the flesh". and that my friend says that GOD was seen in human form.
GOD is a Spirit and does not have flesh and bone but in order for man to see GOD, He had to have a body of flesh.
It says that GOD is "invisible" and no man hath seen Him nor can see Him.
so GOD is born as a son into the world.
GOD was the Spirit inside Jesus telling Him what to say and showing Him what to do, read this in John 14:10.
Better yet, read John 14 verse 7.
and I quote " If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him." also helpful would be another verse in John chapter 10 verse 30.
" I and my Father are one". not two or three but "ONE". food for thought
So God Almighty didnt know everything till He became human?
Just think

Moultrie, GA

#15 Feb 21, 2013
buck wrote:
GOD became a man because He only could become man's salavation. Someone without sin, how else could GOD know the feelings of a human if He didn't become one Himself. How do you know that GOD would not become human to prove a point?
and we know that He doesn't have to prove anything, just because GOD became a man to die for man's sin doesn't indicate in anyway that He came to prove a point about anything.
"GOD WAS manifest in the flesh..."
in 1 Timothy 3 verse 16. and again it says that "GOD was manifest in the flesh". and that my friend says that GOD was seen in human form.
GOD is a Spirit and does not have flesh and bone but in order for man to see GOD, He had to have a body of flesh.
It says that GOD is "invisible" and no man hath seen Him nor can see Him.
so GOD is born as a son into the world.
GOD was the Spirit inside Jesus telling Him what to say and showing Him what to do, read this in John 14:10.
Better yet, read John 14 verse 7.
and I quote " If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him." also helpful would be another verse in John chapter 10 verse 30.
" I and my Father are one". not two or three but "ONE". food for thought
The Bible also says that when a man and a woman marry, they are to become one.
Just think

Moultrie, GA

#16 Feb 21, 2013
Cliff09 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no 'actual' trinity; not to be interpreted literally!
The trinity as quoted by the churches can only be interpreted as a metaphor: what it actually is. It
is a metaphor reflecting the define authority of God, Christ and the Holy Ghost: the three most
holy beings with the highest authority in the universe.
----------
- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.
Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...
- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
- Protect the Children from Satan in the Churches: http://www.silentlambs.org
Jesus instructed his followers to not only preach but to teach as well.

“theholychristian church.com”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#17 Feb 22, 2013
Just think wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus instructed his followers to not only preach but to teach as well.
No, just think: what you obviously can do very well, not?

The word 'teach' can be used as a reference to 'preach'. When you teach exactly what you have
been taught by another, you actually preach.

The Gospel is the clearest example of this: we must do exactly what Jesus taught the Apostles,
so they PREACH. This is what Jesus tells them to do, for only God can teach us: as true
Christian know.

MAT 28: 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
MAT 28: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

----------

- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...

- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
- Protect the Children from Satan in the Churches: http://www.silentlambs.org
Buck

AOL

#18 Feb 22, 2013
Just think wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible also says that when a man and a woman marry, they are to become one.
so you are trying to equal man's ratio with that of GOD's am I right? Who hath known the mind of GOD?
man cannot begin to comprehend all that GOD is or what is contained in his mind.
GOD is so great that even the heavens and heavens cannot contain Him. food for thought. YOU CAN NEVER EQUAL GOD AND MAN
It says who will you liken GOD to? Who is His equal? and I can most assure you GOD's equal is not mere man.
Buck

AOL

#19 Feb 22, 2013
IamHim wrote:
<quoted text>
So God Almighty didnt know everything till He became human?
Are you asking yourself this question? you asked the question so it must be you have doubts about if GOD does know everything.
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#20 Feb 22, 2013
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
<quoted text>
Q: Do You Have to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?
Hi Ant:
A: One has to believe in the God of the Bible to be saved. And the God of the Bible is a triune God.
The Bible teaches that there is one true God made up of three distinct persons; the Godhead.(Not three Gods.) He has revealed Himself as the eternally self-existent "I AM," the Creator of heaven and earth and the Redeemer of mankind.
Does the Bible teach the Trinity? Yes!
*The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2).
*Jesus Christ is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20).
*The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).
But, there is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).
I suggest you look up these scriptures.
Actually no, the God of the Bible is not triune, but he is triune in the Doctrines of xtianity - which vary across the sects.

The notion of the Trinity is perhpas the most specious and least needed of all Xtian Doctrine. If it was repealed tomorrow, it would not be noticed and it would not effect any believers faith.

Every believer holds skepticism re; the Trinity, as none can truly explain it properly, if doctrinally at all...

Homoousios is not in any of the earliest manuscripts, or Bible texts, it was a hotly debated idea, where many lost their lives (those xtians, and their love of murdering the opposition) where many were either banished, declared apostates, both, etc, etc...till the controversy was decided by an Emperor, thru a civil law forced upon Xtians and their Churches.

The Doctrine became a law - Imperial decree - and was forced UPON Xtians from the outside. For political control reasons, and not really for a clean theology and doctrine system.

The concept of the Trinity is unnecessary for belief, Faith and likely even salvation.

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