Is the New Testament devoid of immora...

Is the New Testament devoid of immorality?

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Since: Sep 10

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#1 Jan 14, 2011
We all know the transgressions in the Koran and the Old Testament. But is the New Testament guilty of encouraging evil behavior too? If not, are Christians the only religion out of those mentioned, that can't be considered wrong? I know that they believe the Old Testament as well, but they have a preference for the New Testament. By the way, I'm an atheist.

“Jesus is Lord”

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#2 Jan 14, 2011
Good evening, faucetleaks. It is my opinon that the NT does not encourage evil behavior. To the contrary, it encourages for followers of Christ to live Holy. BTW I'm a Christian. Nice to "meet" you.

“theholychristian church.com”

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#3 Jan 15, 2011
faucetleaks wrote:
We all know the transgressions in the Koran and the Old Testament. But is the New Testament guilty of encouraging evil behavior too? If not, are Christians the only religion out of those mentioned, that can't be considered wrong? I know that they believe the Old Testament as well, but they have a preference for the New Testament. By the way, I'm an atheist.
The old testament is the old agreement between god and the israelies - israel.

The new testament is the new agreement between god and all the people of the earth - everyone. Men are here asked to repent and baptize for the remission of sin, so that they become HOLY.

There is nothing in the new testament that encourages evil: if there is, then show me where. Nothing god has ever taught men en courages evil - for he is God, and he is a good God.

BTW: you best read the Gospel - the new testament.

calling the non-believer, confronting the lukewarm, exposing the hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to me, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/repenta...

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#4 Jan 15, 2011
You only have to go to the first book of the NT and you get this.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."

Matthew 10:34-37
Nice guy that Jesus!

“theholychristian church.com”

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#5 Jan 15, 2011
par five wrote:
You only have to go to the first book of the NT and you get this.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."
Matthew 10:34-37
Nice guy that Jesus!
Not a good answer on the question: you answer with a proverb. Provebs are written for those who have read to understand. How would the querent understand what Christ denotes with the quote?

He says this: he has come in the world with the Gospel of peace, truth and life and wherever it is preached it is received with opposition. They have killed him for it, and look at us today: catholic mother, protestant father, nieces friends standing against each other, orthodox against their countryman christians etc. That is what
christ means: the Gospel is peace and the world is war - they clash. That's why when I preach the truth here, provoking the ignorant and exposing the hypocrite lukewarm, they attack me with their pathetic weapons: and then I shut them up with lashes from my whip - the word of God. I know that unless they hate me I do
not preach the Gospel.

Calling the non-believer, Confronting the lukewarm, Exposing the hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to me, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/repenta...

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#6 Jan 16, 2011
Cliff09 wrote:
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Not a good answer on the question: you answer with a proverb. Provebs are written for those who have read to understand. How would the querent understand what Christ denotes with the quote?
He says this: he has come in the world with the Gospel of peace, truth and life and wherever it is preached it is received with opposition. They have killed him for it, and look at us today: catholic mother, protestant father, nieces friends standing against each other, orthodox against their countryman christians etc. That is what
christ means: the Gospel is peace and the world is war - they clash. That's why when I preach the truth here, provoking the ignorant and exposing the hypocrite lukewarm, they attack me with their pathetic weapons: and then I shut them up with lashes from my whip - the word of God. I know that unless they hate me I do
not preach the Gospel.
Calling the non-believer, Confronting the lukewarm, Exposing the hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to me, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/repenta...
You need psychiatric help, there is something seriously wrong with you!
Thinking

Tenterden, UK

#7 Jan 16, 2011
Cults start by undermining the family.

Once they gain momentum, they try to lever the family to grow the numbers.

The bible tells christians to behave like this in black and white.
par five wrote:
You only have to go to the first book of the NT and you get this.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."
Matthew 10:34-37
Nice guy that Jesus!
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#8 Jan 16, 2011
Cliff09 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a good answer on the question: you answer with a proverb. Provebs are written for those who have read to understand. How would the querent understand what Christ denotes with the quote?
He says this: he has come in the world with the Gospel of peace, truth and life and wherever it is preached it is received with opposition. They have killed him for it, and look at us today: catholic mother, protestant father, nieces friends standing against each other, orthodox against their countryman christians etc. That is what
christ means: the Gospel is peace and the world is war - they clash. That's why when I preach the truth here, provoking the ignorant and exposing the hypocrite lukewarm, they attack me with their pathetic weapons: and then I shut them up with lashes from my whip - the word of God. I know that unless they hate me I do
not preach the Gospel.
Calling the non-believer, Confronting the lukewarm, Exposing the hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to me, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/repenta...
why do you present a female picture, when youre a male? Are you in the closet...trying on your mothers clothes..>?
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#9 Jan 16, 2011
What the bible says is sort of irrelevant,- its what the reader thinks it says to them and how they manifest it...

Believers and readers of the bible, have managed to claim it means many things and to use their claims to justify their actions...even when the bible might not exactly say what they claim its their POV that matters most not what the bible might actually say, so they can spin the content to suit their agendas.

And since the habit of most Believers, who actually read parts of the bible, is to distill it down to only their favorite passages, they give themselves plenty of leeway to think and act as they deem fit.
PROV1X81

Jeffersonville, IN

#10 Jan 16, 2011
par five wrote:
<quoted text>
You need psychiatric help, there is something seriously wrong with you!
LOL!
kind of scary isn't it,helps build the case religion is a mental-disorder.
QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#11 Jan 17, 2011
12:33 pm, Monday, January 17, 2011:
RE: Is the New Testament devoid of immorality?
..... Wrong question; the New Testament is a collection of different books by different authors. You should refer to specific books of the New Testament, whether they, or their authors, were devoid of immorality.
..... Anyway, never mind what it says in any of those books - what matters is whether those who read them are or are not sufficiently moral persons, and if not whether they are getting to be better or worse?

Since: Sep 10

Jamaica, NY

#12 Jan 18, 2012
Woah, you guys don't have to call her mental. Anyway I guess I'll have to read the whole bible to really get the answer, was hoping someone who read the whole thing but didn't convert would help me out on that. Anyway I'm sure it's fine literature. Thanks guys.
Englishdos

Wembley, UK

#13 Aug 12, 2012
Ephesians 6:5-8 (tacitly condones slavery)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.(NIV)

Many might think that this is taken out of context, but Ephesians 6:1 claims that children should obey and respect their parents and then continues to say how parents should treat their children well. It is clear from this that Jesus did not have a problem with slavery, as long as the slaves and masters treated each other well. Today, we would agree with the treating each other well part, but would wholeheartedly disagree with owning another person, depriving them of life and liberty.
Dan

Clarksville, TN

#14 Feb 26, 2013
You are clearly a moron who hasn't read the bible lately.

1)“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”(Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment:“He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.”(Matthew 15:4-7)

6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell.(Matthew 5:27)

7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

8)“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

9)“...the scripture cannot be broken.”--Jesus Christ, John 10:
socci

Cameron, MO

#15 Feb 26, 2013
False presumption. God's 10C law has always been. That is God's morality or character. It does not permit murder ect as often claimed by poor bible teachers who are not even believers. If you are not a believer you are no Bible teacher.

God is all about justice. With justice comes punishment. And yes, this is found in the new testament after Jesus left us in the fall of Rome. How many died with the advent of Islam? This was one of God's judgments upon Rome's evil empire in the east. Atheism is God's judgment upon Rome's evil empire in the west.

it's in the bible...

http://archive.org/details/RevelationIllustra...

Since: Jul 12

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#16 Mar 3, 2013
"Is the New Testament devoid of immorality?"

No.

Matthew 5:7 (NKJV)
7 Blessed are the merciful, For they shall obtain mercy.

How can mercy be immoral?
Why

Matthews, NC

#17 Mar 3, 2013
Dan wrote:
You are clearly a moron who hasn't read the bible lately.
1)“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”(Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)
3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)
4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)
5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment:“He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.”(Matthew 15:4-7)
6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell.(Matthew 5:27)
7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18
8)“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).
9)“...the scripture cannot be broken.”--Jesus Christ, John 10:
Very good Dan, nice work.
freethinker

Resita, Romania

#18 Apr 3, 2013
The bible is full of unethical paragraphs coming from Jesus himself. Here are just a few:
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-37)
greg

Alexandria, VA

#19 Jul 27, 2013
Don't forget about the other passages in the new testament that talk about stoning homosexuals burning witches taking no thought about tomorrow and that other passage in the new testament that commands people to hate their family members and to disown their families

Since: Jul 12

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#20 Jul 27, 2013
greg wrote:
Don't forget about the other passages in the new testament that talk about stoning homosexuals burning witches taking no thought about tomorrow and that other passage in the new testament that commands people to hate their family members and to disown their families
Why do you hate the Bible? Answer:

John 8:44 (NKJV)
44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

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