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Jeff

San Jose, CA

#1328 Feb 7, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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I think people throughout history have shown a need to believe in something, but their beliefs will change to a more rational less childish concept of “God”.
"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being." — Albert Einstein
"The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity." — Albert Einstein
What makes you think your idea of God is not childish? After all you have never given us any proof of it.

"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with the physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question." Fred Hoyle British Astronomer
Big Al

Grand Rapids, MN

#1329 Feb 7, 2013
Lordofnuts wrote:
<quoted text>Very interesting position. I have read several of your posts and clearly you're much more intelligent than most people on here including me! LOL... I just don't see how a God would set back and watch all the thousands of Gods and religions that were created over the years! He just watches all the followers of each religion constantly fight and kill each other because their God is the best! There is a huge amount of evidence that he didn't write the bible or any other holy book so what does he do?
As an agnostic I think there is value in admitting that I don’t know. As Epictetus said 2,000 years ago…

“It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows.”

I’m pretty sure, however, that if there is a “God”“It's” nature bears little resemblance to that of Zeus, Thor or the angry, jealous “God” of the bible which are all way too human. If there is a “God” the nature of “It's” existence would have to be well above the ability of human beings to comprehend. As Thomas Paine said…

"The only idea man can affix to the name of God is that of a first cause, the cause of all things.”
Big Al

Grand Rapids, MN

#1330 Feb 7, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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What makes you think your idea of God is not childish? After all you have never given us any proof of it.
"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with the physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question." Fred Hoyle British Astronomer
A consciousness and intelligence capable of creating this universe certainly would have no reason to feel slighted or offended by the actions or disbelief of human beings.

"The concept of religion...certainly goes far beyond the narrow concepts of God promulgated by many representatives of denominational and institutional religion. They often depict...God as a being who is primarily concerned with being believed in by the greatest possible number of believers, and along the lines of a specific creed, at that.“Just believe,” we are told,“and everything will be okay.” But alas, not only is this order based on a distortion of any sound concept of deity, but even more importantly it is doomed to failure..." - Viktor Frankl M.D., Ph.D., Austrian neurologist and psychiatrist as well as a Holocaust survivor
Lordofnuts

Indian Trail, NC

#1331 Feb 8, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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As an agnostic I think there is value in admitting that I don’t know. As Epictetus said 2,000 years ago…
“It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows.”
I’m pretty sure, however, that if there is a “God”“It's” nature bears little resemblance to that of Zeus, Thor or the angry, jealous “God” of the bible which are all way too human. If there is a “God” the nature of “It's” existence would have to be well above the ability of human beings to comprehend. As Thomas Paine said…
"The only idea man can affix to the name of God is that of a first cause, the cause of all things.”
"...if this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him? The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and of science lies in this concept of a personal God." - Albert Einstein, Science and Religion (1941)

I don't know if your nick was inspired by this Al but he was obviously one of the smartest men to ever live!
Big Al

Grand Rapids, MN

#1332 Feb 8, 2013
Lordofnuts wrote:
<quoted text> "...if this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him? The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and of science lies in this concept of a personal God." - Albert Einstein, Science and Religion (1941)
I don't know if your nick was inspired by this Al but he was obviously one of the smartest men to ever live!
Great quote!

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