Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1287 Dec 13, 2012
Kelvo wrote:
<quoted text>ALL evolutionist but if i may add i find it funny that some athiest call the bible fairytale,when evolutionists believe an"alien" gave the monkey dna thus creating humans.Then somehow the alien or commen ancestor dissapered.Talk about fairytales and the "unknown".
Really? Tell that to the evangelical Christians at Baylor University, the "largest Baptist University in the world," where the students go on mission trips, etc.

This is from the Biology Department at Baylor:
http://www.baylor.edu/biology/index.php...

Statement on Evolution
"Evolution, a foundational principle of modern biology, is supported by overwhelming scientific evidence and is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. Because it is fundamental to the understanding of modern biology, the faculty in the Biology Department at Baylor University, Waco, TX, teach evolution throughout the biology curriculum. We are in accordance with the American Association for Advancement of Science's statement on evolution. We are a science department, so we do not teach alternative hypotheses or philosophically deduced theories that cannot be tested rigorously."

Also, here from the Baylor Geology Department:
http://www.baylor.edu/geology/index.php...

Quote:

"Question: Does the fossil record support the idea of biological change over time (biological evolution)?

Yes. The fossil record clearly indicates...

• a progression in complexity of organisms from very simple fossil forms in the oldest rocks (>3.5 billion years old) to a broad spectrum from simple to complex forms in younger rocks,

• that some organisms that were once common are now extinct, and

• that the living organisms inhabiting our world today are similar (but generally not the same) as organisms represented as fossils in young sedimentary deposits, which in turn have evolutionary ancestors represented as fossils in yet older rocks.

Mammals, for example, are prevalent today and can be traced back in the fossil record for approximately 200 million years, but are not present as mammals in the fossil record before that; however, fossil forms that have reasonably been interpreted to be associated with the evolutionary precursors to mammals are found in older rocks.

Whether biological evolution occurs has not been a matter of scientific debate for more than a century. It is considered a proven fact."

End quote

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#1288 Dec 13, 2012
Kelvo wrote:
<quoted text> Maybe you didint understand your own question,what dose stats have to do with the question you asked?. Anyways like i said to thinking thanks for your comments,i will be praying for you through jesus name.Thank you,i will be back maybe after christmas
I'll restate the question. According to the science of evolution are humans descended from monkeys?
Thinking

Andover, UK

#1289 Dec 13, 2012
I can't even be bothered to count all your typos, let alone take you seriously.
Kelvo wrote:
<quoted text>ALL evolutionist but if i may add i find it funny that some athiest call the bible fairytale,when evolutionists believe an"alien" gave the monkey dna thus creating humans.Then somehow the alien or commen ancestor dissapered.Talk about fairytales and the "unknown".Truely it was fun conversing with you guyz

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#1290 Dec 13, 2012
Kelvo wrote:
Roland i dont need your links i was an athiest before and its totally foolish. Let me make a better question,why do we have morals?Like the adam and eve story wich btw has an incredible meaning to it,Man ate the fruit thus his knowledge of good and evil was increased(why we have morals),he was able to think as gods(explains our thinking)since we were able to now good and evil we became free beings.Ever ask yourself why on a daily basis you have to make a deciesion between bad and good,there is no inbetween but with athiesm it seems as if there should be a middle decision right?.There is no way to now whats right from wrong without a law,this is what i cant get through your heads.Even if human beings are able to make natural laws there is a platform .I geusse what im trying to say is a system wich each and every human develops has a platform or certain cretirea it needs to meet.
Not for a second do I believe you were ever an atheist. I take that back you were born an atheist belief in a super being must be learned.

Too an atheist the morals of the Bible SUCK!!! They are anti female, anti gay, anti people of other faiths, anti change and anti science.
Christians don't even follow many.I freaked out that a dead beat dad on child support married three times Newt Gingrich won a state in presidential primaries. That in light of Mark 10:11, whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her"

Newt is the kind of man that hammered President Clinton of his BJ in the white house while screwing his young future trophy wife #2 A few years later Christians vote for him to defend Christian morals. WTF?
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#1291 Dec 13, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll restate the question. According to the science of evolution are humans descended from monkeys?
Your uncle is a monkey. Mine is not.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#1292 Dec 13, 2012
Not your uncle?
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Your uncle is a monkey. Mine is not.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#1293 Dec 13, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Not your uncle?
<quoted text>
Yeah, these people think they can totally misunderstand science and make emotional decisions about their reality, sticking their heads in the sand.
"It isn't true if I say it isn't true."
Thinking

Andover, UK

#1294 Dec 13, 2012
So jeff is his own uncle? Inbred or what. ;)
tickedoffchic wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, these people think they can totally misunderstand science and make emotional decisions about their reality, sticking their heads in the sand.
"It isn't true if I say it isn't true."
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#1295 Dec 13, 2012
tickedoffchic wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, these people think they can totally misunderstand science and make emotional decisions about their reality, sticking their heads in the sand.
"It isn't true if I say it isn't true."
Is your uncle a monkey or not? If you buy into evolution then your uncle is a monkey.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#1296 Dec 13, 2012
Prove it.
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Is your uncle a monkey or not? If you buy into evolution then your uncle is a monkey.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1297 Dec 13, 2012
Roland_Deschain wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you remember a poster called "Keltec 9mm" ? They were very keen on quoting from books all the time and liked guns. Hence their screen name.
http://www.gunblast.com/images/Kel-Tec9mm/DSC...
Keltec's location shows as Tampa FL, Downhill's shows as Boca Raton FL. It's about 46 miles between the two locations. Coincidence or what...cue creepy music :-}




Keltec 9mm has always been in Boca, never Tampa, and since I also enjoy skiing I switched to downhill246. Oh, now I carry a Springfield XDM 9MM 13/19+1 so if you see that ID it is probably me
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1298 Dec 13, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Who cares? The bible is bollocks. Bats are not birds. Birds don't have four legs. Pi isn't three.
<quoted text>
The Hebrew never said bats were birds.The Hebrew translation lists flying creatures as a definition which includes bats.

The Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon

`owph'

Definition

flying creatures, fowl, insects, birds
fowl, birds
winged insects

http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi...
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1299 Dec 13, 2012
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
Not for a second do I believe you were ever an atheist. I take that back you were born an atheist belief in a super being must be learned.
Too an atheist the morals of the Bible SUCK!!! They are anti female, anti gay, anti people of other faiths, anti change and anti science.
Christians don't even follow many.I freaked out that a dead beat dad on child support married three times Newt Gingrich won a state in presidential primaries. That in light of Mark 10:11, whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her"
Newt is the kind of man that hammered President Clinton of his BJ in the white house while screwing his young future trophy wife #2 A few years later Christians vote for him to defend Christian morals. WTF?
"The highest principles for our aspirations and judgments are given to us in the Jewish-Christian religious tradition. It is a very high goal which, with our weak powers, we can reach only very inadequately, but which gives a sure foundation to our aspirations and valuations. If one were to take that goal out of its religious form and look merely at its purely human side, one might state it perhaps thus: free and responsible development of the individual, so that he may place his powers freely and gladly in the service of all mankind. "

Albert Einstein

"Another Christian concept, no less crazy: the concept of equality of souls before God. This concept furnishes the prototype of all theories of equal rights."
Freidrich Nietzsche, The Will to Power

Since: Jun 12

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#1300 Dec 13, 2012
NDanger wrote:
<quoted text>
Why is that? Cuz you just showed up and posted your usual shyte? Good to know...
And for those reading these posts, "NDanger" here thinks he's a "Christian". Can you believe that?

They sure do have some powerful self delusions.

Since: Jun 12

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#1301 Dec 13, 2012
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
No it is not. It is you who is deliberately ignore the implications of naturalism, evolution and atheism. If you read the professional atheistic philosophers you would find them agreeing with me. Even Dawkins knows better.
Nobody of any intelligence agrees with you, so stop lying.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#1302 Dec 13, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yockey and his daughter have their own blog.
Tell your dog never to piss on the leg of a citizen with a concealed carry permit because said canine has a very good chance of ending up barking three octaves higher and other dogs might point and giggle.
How "Christian" of you to threaten to shoot someone's dog.

Since: Jun 12

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#1303 Dec 13, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a new book out that got pretty good reviews that you might enjoy. It is Edward Feser's,“The Last Superstition: A Refutation of the New Atheism”(2012) LOl.
What an idiot, who said I was an atheist? LOL

Since: Jun 12

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#1304 Dec 13, 2012
Kelvo wrote:
<quoted text> How can this be proven? And i ask because maybe you didint get the question.A law has a lawmaker. Sometimes i think Athiest will say anything to take away God from an equation.See why athiest cant satisfy that question is because they try to take away a spiritual side aswell. As i said a law has a lawmaker. The moral code states that the procces evolved with man doing something wrong thus gaining a gultiy feeling. Then again evolution has the " survival of the fittest" idea. Wouldnt murder have evolved into a non guilt feeling for the fact ofvsurvival of the fittest. I mean that is human nature right? But not really because murder is a wrong on he conscience. It is a law not an evolution. Infact many things we feel is wrong should be considerd right due to the evolution theory,this is because it is a Law not just morals a law.With that said im still not satisfied.
>>>ALL<<< souls are designed to spiritually evolve, which of course includes things like compassion, "morality", helping others, etc.

Part I

Monkeys have a sense of morality, say scientists
Jonathan Leake, Science Editor

MONKEYS and apes have a sense of morality and the rudimentary ability to tell right from wrong, according to new research.

In a series of studies scientists have found that monkeys and apes can make judgments about fairness, offer altruistic help and empathise when a fellow animal is ill or in difficulties. They even appear to have consciences and the ability to remember obligations.

The research implies that morality is not a uniquely human quality and suggests it arose through evolution. That could mean the strength of our consciences is partly determined by our genes.

Such findings are likely to antagonise fundamentalist religious groups. Some believe the ability to form moral judgments is a God-given quality that sets humans apart.
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The scientists say, however, that the evidence is clear.“I am not arguing that non-human primates are moral beings but there is enough evidence for the following of social rules to agree that some of the stepping stones towards human morality can be found in other animals,” said Frans de Waal, professor of psychology at Emory University in Georgia in the United States.

In papers at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) this weekend de Waal described experiments on monkeys and apes to see if they understood the idea of fairness.

The animals were asked to perform a set of simple tasks and then rewarded with food or affection. The rewards were varied, seemingly at random. De Waal found the animals had an acute sense of fairness and objected strongly when others were rewarded more than themselves for the same task, often sulking and refusing to take part any further.

Another study looked at altruism in chimps - and found they were often willing to help others even when there was no obvious reward.“Chimpanzees spontaneously help both humans and each other in carefully controlled tests,” said de Waal.

Other researchers, said de Waal, have found the same qualities in capuchin monkeys, which also show “spontaneous prosocial tendencies”, meaning they are keen to share food and other gifts with other monkeys, for the pleasure of giving.

“Everything else being equal, they prefer to reward a companion together with themselves rather than just themselves,” he said.“The research suggests that giving is self-rewarding for monkeys.”

Related research found primates can remember individuals who have done them a favour and will make an effort to repay them.

De Waal, who has written a book called Primates and Philosophers, said morality appeared to have evolved in the same way as organs such as the eye and the heart, through natural selection.

Since: Jun 12

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#1305 Dec 13, 2012
Part II

The debate over whether animals can tell right from wrong and make moral choices dates back to Charles Darwin, originator of the theory of evolution.

He suggested that when sexual reproduction first evolved it forced animals to develop codes of behaviour that became built into their genes. In humans these instincts developed into a sense of right and wrong. This fitted with his view that humans were derived from animals - a view fiercely opposed by the church at the time.

The big question now is why, alone among the primates, humans have developed morality to such a high level. It implies that humans were once subjected to some kind of powerful evolutionary pressure to develop a conscience.

Some researchers believe we could owe our consciences to climate change and, in particular, to a period of intense global warming between 50,000 and 800,000 years ago. The proto-humans living in the forests had to adapt to living on hostile open plains, where they would have been easy prey for formidable predators such as big cats.

This would have forced them to devise rules for hunting in groups and sharing food.

Christopher Boehm, director of the Jane Goodall Research Center, part of the University of Southern California’s anthropology department, believes such humans devised codes to stop bigger, stronger males hogging all the food.

“To ensure fair meat distribution, hunting bands had to gang up physically against alpha males,” he said. This theory has been borne out by studies of contemporary hunter-gatherer tribes.

In research released at the AAAS he argued that under such a system those who broke the rules would have been killed, their “amoral” genes lost to posterity. By contrast, those who abided by the rules would have had many more children.

Since: Jun 12

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#1306 Dec 13, 2012
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Your uncle is a monkey. Mine is snot.
What??!!

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