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#1125 Dec 5, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Of course it will point to the God of Scripture since He is the only God that exist. You need to talk to your padre about your pseudo catholicism. He would be very disappointed in you.
Shuck & jive Jeff. LOL! You know nothing about anything. You have admitted your ignorance. Live with it.
Thinking

Farnham, UK

#1126 Dec 6, 2012
No, most just follow what their parents tell them. They get put into their respective sausage machines without consent.

You'd be surprised to see a family with a 4 year old christian, a 6 year old muslim and an 8 year old Hindu, wouldn't you?
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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Many are called, FEW are chosen. Prophecy coming true you ignoramus.
The SMALL numbers for atheism come from people realizing it is a dead end street. Many more RELIGIONS are popping up than atheist reunions. Face it Nimrod, your breed is dying out.
Thinking

Farnham, UK

#1127 Dec 6, 2012
Jog on.
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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Who cares what you think? I don't think anyone should be exposed to atheism in their lifetime.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1128 Dec 6, 2012
Thinking wrote:
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You'd be surprised to see a family with a 4 year old christian, a 6 year old muslim and an 8 year old Hindu, wouldn't you?
This is a great line! I'll have to remember this.:)
Sola Scriptura

Morgantown, WV

#1129 Dec 6, 2012
Thinking wrote:
No, most just follow what their parents tell them. They get put into their respective sausage machines without consent.
You'd be surprised to see a family with a 4 year old christian, a 6 year old muslim and an 8 year old Hindu, wouldn't you?
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Not really. When they reach the age of 18-21 who's to say they might not ALL be Christian?

Now admit it, THAT would surprise you, wouldn't it?
Thinking

Farnham, UK

#1130 Dec 6, 2012
Bollocks.
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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Not really.
Thinking

Farnham, UK

#1131 Dec 6, 2012
Thanks, I just wanted to condense the concept of families siloed by religion into something shorter.
Gillette wrote:
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This is a great line! I'll have to remember this.:)

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#1132 Dec 7, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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I can't work my way into heaven you idiot.
And THAT is the Christian lie that make you FAIL your judgment.

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#1133 Dec 7, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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Not really. When they reach the age of 18-21 who's to say they might not ALL be Christian?
Now admit it, THAT would surprise you, wouldn't it?
So you think someone will admit to something that cannot happen?

You been drinking those "spirits" again Wayne?

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#1134 Dec 7, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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Who cares what I think? I don't think anyone should be exposed to Christinsanity in their lifetime.
Good point!
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#1135 Dec 8, 2012
Time and Space wrote:
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Here's something else that occurs...
Well into adulthood, you'll often hear a 'Christian'(through testimony at church or revival) say how for most of their life they were 'turned off by god or didn't believe'...
But then suddenly or gradually, they become a believer...
And also, like in your case...many, well into adulthood, become disinfranchised with church or god, or the idea of salvation doctorine...
In other words some Athiest become Christians or take up some other religon...and people who were religious, often times fall away and become non believers...
It seems certain 'events' or 'encounters' lead so to or away from either believing or not believing...
These 'events' seem to be the device which persuade or nudge people either way...
'Events'...is the key word of this post...
Do you consider a thorough and detailed investigation into as much Xtian theology-doctrine, history as is possible over say a decade plus - then concluding its all made-up and empty of any real content - an EVENT?

I dont consider Education an Event...unless someone went from truly illiterate to literate in like a months time...

While I understand your point that many people experience something that shifts them in any direction...I think you are being a little too limiting in your notion that it has to be ONE Event.
Kelvo

United States

#1136 Dec 8, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Far more leave religion than join.
The big numbers for religion come from indoctrinating the very young.
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This people are not born again christians.This are just people with the christian title.Im not saying that born again christians dont leave,but its rare for daily bible readers to leave their faith unless they feel its to hard to live by the laws.Christians with a title are just the same as athiest.You cant be in the middle of a christian life or you will end up being aganist it.
downhill246

West Palm Beach, FL

#1137 Dec 8, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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The fossil record is insufficient to identically reproduce the first life on the planet. We grant you that. You're still scared shitless that scientists will produce life in a laboratory and the scientific consensus is they will, and that in short order.
Why do you keep harping back to your assumption that information requires intelligenc? That assumption is known to be incorrect.
I don't know if you're abysmally ignorant by choice or genetics or both but you can not nullify everything you don't like or understand with a hand wave.
"Some researchers have attempted to calculate the bare minimum required for a living, self-replicating cell. Eugenie Koonin and others came up with a result of 256 genes. They expressed doubt, however, as to whether such a hypothetical bug could survive, because such an organism could barely repair DNA damage and would lack the ability to digest complex compounds, and would require a comprehensive supply of organic nutrients in its environment.

Follow up research led by Hamilton Smith at the J. Craig Venter Institute in Rockville in 2006 indicates that the minimum genome consists of 387 protein-coding and 43 RNA-coding genes. Yet even this ‘simple’ organism possesses far too much information to be expected from time and chance without natural selection. Clearly natural selection cannot help, as this requires self-replicating entities -- therefore it cannot be invoked to explain their origin.

The information theorist Hubert Yockey calculated that given a pool of pure, activated biological amino acids -- and granting as much as 10-9 years -- a total amount of information which could be produced would only be a single small polypeptide 49 amino acid residues long. This is about 1/8 the size of a typical protein. But the hypothetical cell described above requires at least 256 proteins. Yockey’s estimate not only grants a generous 10 -9 years, but also assumes that the many as yet non-surmounted chemical hurdles can be overcome.
http://www.allaboutscience.org/life-and-abiog...
downhill246

West Palm Beach, FL

#1138 Dec 8, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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When they produce life in the laboratory it will prove Biblegod is not an essential ingredient.
Evolution is responsible for the diversity of life on Earth, not it's origin.
"We do know of a cause -- a type of cause -- that has demonstrated the power to produce functionally specified information from physical or chemical constituents. That cause is intelligence, or mind or conscious activity. As information theorist Henry Quastler observed, "The creation of information is habitually associated with conscious activity." Indeed, whenever we find specified information -whether embedded in a radio signal, carved in a stone monument, etched on a magnetic disc, or produced by a genetic algorithm or ribozyme engineering experiment--and we trace it back to its source, invariably we come to a mind, not merely a material process. And, as origin-of-life research itself has helped to demonstrate, we know of no other cause capable of producing functional specified information starting, again, from a purely physical or chemical state. Thus, the discovery of functionally specified, digitally encoded information in the DNA of even the simplest living cells provides compelling positive evidence for the activity of a prior designing intelligence at the point of the origin of the first life." -

Stephen C. Meyer, Of Molecules and (Straw) Men: Stephen Meyer Responds to Dennis Venema's Review of Signature in the Cell - October 9, 2011.




"The creation of information is habitually associated with conscious activity."

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#1139 Dec 8, 2012
Kelvo wrote:
<quoted text>This people are not born again christians.This are just people with the christian title.Im not saying that born again christians dont leave,but its rare for daily bible readers to leave their faith unless they feel its to hard to live by the laws.Christians with a title are just the same as athiest.You cant be in the middle of a christian life or you will end up being aganist it.
It all comes down to the fact that many people do not succumb to the Christian FEAR mongering brainwashing system.

“Pancakes and eggs...”

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#1140 Dec 8, 2012
Punisher wrote:
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Do you consider a thorough and detailed investigation into as much Xtian theology-doctrine, history as is possible over say a decade plus - then concluding its all made-up and empty of any real content - an EVENT?
I dont consider Education an Event...unless someone went from truly illiterate to literate in like a months time...
While I understand your point that many people experience something that shifts them in any direction...I think you are being a little too limiting in your notion that it has to be ONE Event.
This is kind of interesting...

I mean there have been 'reasoned' men (people) who on all accounts are brilliant...yet need, must have, or believe that there is a 'loveing god' awaiting them in the future...

Then you could take their social twin, someone just as accomplished...who is fine with the idea of there being no higher diety...

You could open them up, examine their insides, their DNA...and find nothing to indicate a 'outcome'...just cell sustaining life...

Would this feed into that biblical notion that 'Some are called and some are not?'...

I mean i don't know...I'm trying to figure it out too...

“Pancakes and eggs...”

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#1141 Dec 8, 2012
Punisher wrote:
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Do you consider a thorough and detailed investigation into as much Xtian theology-doctrine, history as is possible over say a decade plus - then concluding its all made-up and empty of any real content - an EVENT?
I dont consider Education an Event...unless someone went from truly illiterate to literate in like a months time...
While I understand your point that many people experience something that shifts them in any direction...I think you are being a little too limiting in your notion that it has to be ONE Event.
Also...you got to realize...we live in a new age...

Not all believers 'frame' all that god is, or is to them, within the confines of scripture...

That's why you have so many divisions even within Christendom...
Like cells that are constintly dividing...

Or even Pat Robertson coming out the other day and shocking his congregation by saying that he no longer believes that life on earth is only 6000 yrs old...

http://wtvr.com/2012/11/30/pat-robertson-chal...

Like i said, wrote earlier...everyone is always evolving, growing, no one stays the same...no one is 'static'...

People who are static, or think they are, eventually either grow or shatter...

“Pancakes and eggs...”

Since: Jan 10

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#1142 Dec 8, 2012
I'm 'Time and Space'...

I've seen much...

I've seen people rush into the whole 'I've found Jesus' revival mindset and emotions...just to weeks later be back to drinking and cigaretes...

And I've seen sworn athiest (and all the divisions of) swear up and down that no god exists, just to years later be a leading deacon in church...

So there's much more to this, than where any of you, including myself, stand right now at the moment...

Nothing is 'static'...
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1143 Dec 8, 2012
Time and Space wrote:
I'm 'Time and Space'...
So there's much more to this, than where any of you, including myself, stand right now at the moment...
Nothing is 'static'...
Hard to disagree with that. People and their opinions and beliefs change constantly.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1144 Dec 8, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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Follow up research led by Hamilton Smith at the J. Craig Venter Institute in Rockville in 2006 indicates that the minimum genome consists of 387 protein-coding and 43 RNA-coding genes. Yet even this ‘simple’ organism possesses far too much information to be expected from time and chance without natural selection. Clearly natural selection cannot help, as this requires self-replicating entities -- therefore it cannot be invoked to explain their origin.
Notice the sleazy tactic at work here by the "CHristian' who wrote this apologetical BS.

He very selectively quotes research by one of the leading institutes involved in abiogenesis where everyone, I ASSURE you, would LAUGH OUT LOUD at the Christian creationist or ID Argument From Incredulity spouted here, and then tacks on some specious "but it couldn't ever happen" nonsense, which I'm sure tickles the itchy ears of the Bible-toting teenagers who need their faith in the historicity of Genesis bolstered.

Meanwhile, work at the Venter and at Harvard and in topflight bio labs around the world goes on, and we get closer and closer to recreating the conditions under which we will see life spontaneously assemble itself according to the laws of chemistry.

"Scientists Close to Reconstructing First Living Cell
Researchers get genetic material to copy itself in a recreation of a simple protocell that could have existed eons ago"
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...

"Scientists create tiny RNA molecule with big implications for life's origins"
http://www.physorg.com/news186071435.html

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