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#638 Nov 30, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Your bible isn't scientific so I'm glad you are able to ignore it.
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Oh, I'm glad it's 'my bible' now...wonder if I can collect all the revenue from the sales...
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#639 Nov 30, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Hi Gillette. The problem is Jeff doesn't understand a word you're saying with one possible exception.
The first two words of the Hebrew Bible translate as 'In the beginning God' so the whole system hinges on the a priori assumption that God exists. What the fundies vehemently refuse to admit is that it is an assumption.
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The assumption that the Bible uses to support the existence of God is creation itself and the life of Christ. Jesus showed by His miracles that He was God in the flesh.

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#640 Nov 30, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Calling something evil is not the same thing as proving something is evil. To prove something evil, you have to have an objective standard. That you cannot get in your moral system. In your moral system, anything can be justified since there is no such thing as an objective standard. All you can say is that you didn't like what the Nazis did. You have no way to determine if your moral system is superior to the Nazis.
There is plenty of evidence for the God of Christianity. We start with creation and then see how God has revealed Himself specially in history. That's why the Bible is so important since it is a record of what God is like. The 10 commandments is an objective standard for all of mankind since they were given by God. By this objective standard I can say that what the Nazis did was wrong because what they did was a violation of the Law of God in which all men are accountable to.
very interesting Jeff...

Even in science, like with instruments and all...things have to be 'calibrated'...
Even in science, there has to be one 'standard' in order for other things to be measured by or compared to...
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#641 Nov 30, 2012
Gillette wrote:
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Because we know from practical experience in our own lives and in the history of the world that when we engage in altruistic behavior -- not stealing from one another, not killing one another, sharing food when necessary, etc.-- that life in our society is more peaceful and pleasant and we can live a more comfortable life, to which we each give meaning in our own way.
Simple, really.
How long will you repeat the tired, thoughtless fundamentalist Christian canard that the lives of atheists can have no real meaning when they all tell you, over and over again, that their lives have OLENTY of meaning, thank you very much?
The great Richard Dawkins would not agree with you: In his famous book The Blind Watchmaker, Dawkin claims:

“In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference.” p.133

You have to admit he is right.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#642 Nov 30, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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The great Richard Dawkins would not agree with you: In his famous book The Blind Watchmaker, Dawkin claims:
“In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference.” p.133
You have to admit he is right.
No, you have to read him carefully and stop dishonestly QUOTE-MINING, Jesus Freak!

In his exaggerated, uber-atheist view, the universe is indifferent, etc. but HE certainly has meaning in his life and purpose, etc.-- all of which HE gives his life -- rather than appealing to some fantasy up in the sky as you do.

You can beat this dead horse for weeks, and it STILL won't come to life! LOL
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#643 Nov 30, 2012
Gillette wrote:
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No, you have to read him carefully and stop dishonestly QUOTE-MINING, Jesus Freak!
In his exaggerated, uber-atheist view, the universe is indifferent, etc. but HE certainly has meaning in his life and purpose, etc.-- all of which HE gives his life -- rather than appealing to some fantasy up in the sky as you do.
You can beat this dead horse for weeks, and it STILL won't come to life! LOL
Gillette you need to face the music on your beliefs. The great Dawkins is absolutely right. "The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference.” In universe without purpose, you cannot have ultimate purpose. This why you have to lie to yourself that you have a purpose. If you don't, you will go crazy. For once I would like to see an atheist be consistent. I was hoping you would be that one.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#644 Nov 30, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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In universe without purpose, you cannot have ultimate purpose.
Well, you can certainly FANTASIZE it! Look at you and your Jesus freak friends! LOL
Jeff wrote:
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This why you have to lie to yourself that you have a purpose.
The lives of all people, atheist and religious, have MEANING, meaning which those people GIVE their lives.

The difference is that you impute that meaning to a "god-up-in the sky, while atheists do not feel the need to feed a ridiculous and self-serving fantasy like that.
Jeff wrote:
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For once I would like to see an atheist be consistent. I was hoping you would be that one.
We have consistently explained to you how atheists face REALITY while you Jesus Freaks need a FANTASY world to live in to stave off your fear of the grave.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#645 Nov 30, 2012
Gillette wrote:
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Well, you can certainly FANTASIZE it! Look at you and your Jesus freak friends! LOL
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The lives of all people, atheist and religious, have MEANING, meaning which those people GIVE their lives.
The difference is that you impute that meaning to a "god-up-in the sky, while atheists do not feel the need to feed a ridiculous and self-serving fantasy like that.
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We have consistently explained to you how atheists face REALITY while you Jesus Freaks need a FANTASY world to live in to stave off your fear of the grave.
Christianity offers meaning because God exist, man lives beyond the grave, God judges man and determines his eternal destiny.

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#646 Nov 30, 2012
Gillette wrote:
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Well, you can certainly FANTASIZE it! Look at you and your Jesus freak friends! LOL
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The lives of all people, atheist and religious, have MEANING, meaning which those people GIVE their lives.
The difference is that you impute that meaning to a "god-up-in the sky, while atheists do not feel the need to feed a ridiculous and self-serving fantasy like that.
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We have consistently explained to you how atheists face REALITY while you Jesus Freaks need a FANTASY world to live in to stave off your fear of the grave.
And what if after you pass...there really is a 'hell'...then what?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#647 Nov 30, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Christianity offers meaning because God exist, man lives beyond the grave, God judges man and determines his eternal destiny.
Islam offers meaning because Allah exists, Christians and others are unbelieving infidels, Allah judges man and determines his eternal destiny, etc.

If that makes no sense to you, then you know how much YOUR statement means to the rest of us.

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#648 Nov 30, 2012
Gillette wrote:
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Well, you can certainly FANTASIZE it! Look at you and your Jesus freak friends! LOL
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The lives of all people, atheist and religious, have MEANING, meaning which those people GIVE their lives.
The difference is that you impute that meaning to a "god-up-in the sky, while atheists do not feel the need to feed a ridiculous and self-serving fantasy like that.
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We have consistently explained to you how atheists face REALITY while you Jesus Freaks need a FANTASY world to live in to stave off your fear of the grave.
You pass, are resurected either in body form or spirit form, and face hostility from the other world...

What weight will the ideas and notions you had here, matter then?

And what if 'Jesus' is simply a spirit, one of many spirits, who wanted to 'help' humanity...and you rejected that help...

Then what?

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#649 Nov 30, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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The assumption that the Bible uses to support the existence of God is creation itself and the life of Christ. Jesus showed by His miracles that He was God in the flesh.
And Superman is faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, etc. And he's STILL alive. They wrote all this down and still write about him, so it must be true. At least that's basically YOUR claim, that if it's written down in one place, it's "true" and MUST be believed. Which by his miracles makes him more powerful than your demonic dead guy "god".

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#650 Nov 30, 2012
Time and Space wrote:
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And what if after you pass...there really is a 'hell'...then what?
There isn't any such place as Hell. It goes against the real God's laws.

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#651 Nov 30, 2012
-The Star Reborn- wrote:
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There isn't any such place as Hell. It goes against the real God's laws.
If there is is 'god'...neither you or I can define him or it...

Gods nature can be whatever it is...irregardless of how we think it should be...

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#652 Nov 30, 2012
Time and Space wrote:
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You pass, are resurected either in body form or spirit form, and face hostility from the other world...
What weight will the ideas and notions you had here, matter then?
And what if 'Jesus' is simply a spirit, one of many spirits, who wanted to 'help' humanity...and you rejected that help...
Then what?
Is that the best you can come up with, "what if"?

That's lame.

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#653 Nov 30, 2012
If there is a 'creator' in control of the after world...who am i to tell it how it's suppose to behave or act?

If it's more powerful than us, and holds the keys to life or safety...who am I to tell it how it's suppose to behave, based on a notion I have or had?
Thinking

Andover, UK

#654 Nov 30, 2012
The church is a big business that specialises in scamming poor people.
Time and Space wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, I'm glad it's 'my bible' now...wonder if I can collect all the revenue from the sales...

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#655 Nov 30, 2012
Time and Space wrote:
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If there is is 'god'...neither you or I can define him or it...
Gods nature can be whatever it is...irregardless of how we think it should be...
I most certainly can define God based upon my lifetime of spiritual experiences and meetings with him.

Just because you allowed yourself to be led astray by the lies of man, so are spiritually clueless, many of us take the right path so have a deep profound spiritual understanding.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#656 Nov 30, 2012
Thinking wrote:
The church is a big business that specialises in scamming poor people.
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What are the atheists doing to help the poor?

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#657 Nov 30, 2012
Time and Space wrote:
If there is a 'creator' in control of the after world...who am i to tell it how it's suppose to behave or act?
If it's more powerful than us, and holds the keys to life or safety...who am I to tell it how it's suppose to behave, based on a notion I have or had?
Then who are you to go around telling others that "god" is the evil dead Christian man-"god", Jesus?

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