Did the Cretan prophet in Titus 1:12 tell the truth or a lie?

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Tahoegirl

Orlando, FL

#1 Sep 30, 2013
Was Paul right to say this was true in Titus 1:13
little lamb

Collingwood, Australia

#2 Oct 1, 2013
Paul said it was one of their own prophets who told them what they were like...So a 'prophet' is someone who speaks Gods word...So the Crete prophet must have hit the nail on the head.

So from Crete you get a prophet speaking truth and you get liars, from the same place...

And you find truth and lies in every society.
Tahoegirl

Orlando, FL

#3 Oct 1, 2013
little lamb wrote:
Paul said it was one of their own prophets who told them what they were like...So a 'prophet' is someone who speaks Gods word...So the Crete prophet must have hit the nail on the head.
So from Crete you get a prophet speaking truth and you get liars, from the same place...
And you find truth and lies in every society.
Tit 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
Tit 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

Yes it is true that it was their own prophet that says "the Cretans are always liars", but it is Paul that says "this witness is true" in his own hand in his own epistle. There is no point about some Cretans being liars and some Cretans not being liars, the statement is a racial slur against Cretans, that "all Cretans are liars", and Paul says he is in full agreement with the slur on these people when he says "this witness is true", and not only that be he also says to "rebuke them sharply".

So if "all the Cretans are liars" as the Cretan prophet says, and Paul agrees, than is the Cretan prophet lying when he says all Cretans liars, and therefore really the Cretan prophet is saying all Cretins only tell the truth and Paul didn't get it. And how we know that Paul didn't get it, because he said to sharply rebuke them, and you wouldn't sharply rebuke someone for telling to truth now would you.

So Paul is either caught up in someones else bias views of Cretans or he was out tricked by a Cretan smart guy. Poor Paul, the Cretan prophet didn't hit the the nail on the head, he hit Paul on the head.

little lamb

Collingwood, Australia

#4 Oct 8, 2013
Then Paul spoke the truth...

Every nation has its own spirit..

And those who are called out by Jesus from the world are promised a new ' holy spirit.'
tahoegirl

Orlando, FL

#5 Oct 9, 2013
QUOTE who="little lamb"Then Paul spoke the truth...
Every nation has its own spirit..
And those who are called out by Jesus from the world are promised a new ' holy spirit.'
What truth did Paul speak?
That all Cretans are liars and should be rebuked?
So the nation of Crete has a lying spirit?
And who is called out by Jesus, Paul or the Cretans?
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#6 Oct 9, 2013
tahoegirl wrote:
QUOTE who="little lamb"Then Paul spoke the truth...
Every nation has its own spirit..
And those who are called out by Jesus from the world are promised a new ' holy spirit.'
What truth did Paul speak?
That all Cretans are liars and should be rebuked?
So the nation of Crete has a lying spirit?
And who is called out by Jesus, Paul or the Cretans?
Are you worth it to God...to save you?

Yes or no?
tahoegirl

Orlando, FL

#7 Oct 9, 2013
Prophet of Christ Are you worth it to God...to save you?
Yes or no?
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#8 Oct 9, 2013
tahoegirl wrote:
Prophet of Christ Are you worth it to God...to save you?
Yes or no?
More than worth it.

Since: Jul 12

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#9 Oct 9, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
<quoted text>More than worth it.
When you are burning in Hell with Satan you will understand.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#10 Oct 9, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
When you are burning in Hell with Satan you will understand.
Are you speaking from first hand experience? Yes or no?

Since: Jul 12

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#11 Oct 9, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you speaking from first hand experience? Yes or no?
I am speaking from the Bible O Biblical IGNORAMUS.

Mt 12 By your words YOU will be condemned.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#12 Oct 9, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
I am speaking from the Bible O Biblical IGNORAMUS.
Mt 12 By your words YOU will be condemned.
Then you are going to hell.
little lamb

Collingwood, Australia

#13 Oct 9, 2013
tahoegirl wrote:
QUOTE who="little lamb"Then Paul spoke the truth...
Every nation has its own spirit..
And those who are called out by Jesus from the world are promised a new ' holy spirit.'
What truth did Paul speak?
That all Cretans are liars and should be rebuked?
So the nation of Crete has a lying spirit?
And who is called out by Jesus, Paul or the Cretans?
Actually scripture tells us ' the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.'

So you could say , that Satan deceives the whole world with his lying spirit.

And you ask ' who are called out'?

All those who hear the 'gospels' and respond...that is why we go into all the world and preach the gospels.

Mark 16 [15] And he said to them " go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation...He that believes and is baptized will be saved , and he that does not believe will be condemned.'

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#14 Oct 9, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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Then you are going to hell.
No, I believe the Bible/God, and you are a Biblical IGNORAMUS! LOL! Are you as STUPID as your posts? Yes or yes?
tahoegirl

Orlando, FL

#16 Oct 9, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ

How do you know?
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#17 Oct 9, 2013
tahoegirl wrote:
Prophet of Jesus Christ
How do you know?
Because I am me.

Since: Jul 12

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#18 Oct 9, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
<quoted text>Because I am me.
What a Biblical IGNORAMUS you are! LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#19 Oct 10, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>What a Biblical IGNORAMUS you are! LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Are you my enemy? Yes or no?

Do you curse me? Yes or no?

Do you hate me? Yes or no?

Do you despite fully use me and persecute me? Yes or no?

Since: Jul 12

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#20 Oct 10, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you my enemy? Yes or no?
Do you curse me? Yes or no?
Do you hate me? Yes or no?
Do you despite fully use me and persecute me? Yes or no?
When you are with Satan in Hell you will understand.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#21 Oct 10, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
When you are with Satan in Hell you will understand.
Satan is never going to be in hell.

I am trying to discern if you are a liar or just out right deceived.

Would you please clarify this for me?

I am leaning towards you being a no good for nothing liar.

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