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Why was John in the New Testament called John the BAPTIST?

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Native from Pa

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#1 Aug 29, 2012
Alot of Catholics say that everyone was a Catholic during the time of Jesus yet that is NOT true. Why was John in the Bible called John the BAPTIST?
Seems Baptist existed also and I find it VERY interesting that JOHN THE BAPTIST baptized Jesus and NOT a Catholic.
Idi O Syncrasy

Patterson, CA

#2 Aug 29, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Alot of Catholics say that everyone was a Catholic during the time of Jesus yet that is NOT true. Why was John in the Bible called John the BAPTIST?
Seems Baptist existed also and I find it VERY interesting that JOHN THE BAPTIST baptized Jesus and NOT a Catholic.
Now Native, no Catholics have told you "EVERYONE WAS" A Catholic when Jesus walked tHe earth.
That's just plain foolish.
There were Jews and pagans until Jesus arrived and nearing the end of his earthly ministry he founded The Catholic Church with St.Peter as head bishop.

Now John The Baptist was a the last of the Old Testament Jewish prophets.
John baptised people and called them to repentence, not salvation, while he prepared the way for The Lord.

John was not associated with that Baptist Church, which didn't arrive on the scene until around the time they tried to justify slavery of the African in America by twisting scripture.

John the Baptist was the immediate precursor or herald of Jesus. John identified Jesus as the Messianic Lamb of God and baptized him in the Jordan River. With prophetic power, John gave witness to Jesus by his preaching, by the baptism of conversion he announced, and finally by his martyrdom.

""There was a man sent from God, whose name was John."
(Jn 1:6)
John was "filled with the Holy Spirit even from his mother's womb" by Christ himself, whom the Virgin Mary had just conceived by the Holy Spirit. Mary's visitation to Elizabeth thus became a visit from God to his people.
(Lk 1:15,41 & Lk 1:68)

John is "Elijah [who] must come." (Mt 17:10-13; cf. Lk 1:78)
The fire of the Spirit dwells in him and makes him the forerunner of the coming Lord. In John, the precursor, the Holy Spirit completes the work of "[making] ready a people prepared for the Lord."
(Lk 1:17)


John the Baptist is "more than a prophet." (Lk 7:26)
In him, the Holy Spirit concludes his speaking through the prophets. John completes the cycle of prophets begun by Elijah. He proclaims the imminence of the consolation of Israel; he is the "voice" of the Consoler who is coming.
(Mt 11:13-14 & Jn 1:23; cf. Isa 40:1-3)
As the Spirit of truth will also do, John "came to bear witness to the light."
(Jn 1:7; cf. Jn 15:26; 5:35)
In John's sight, the Spirit thus brings to completion the careful search of the prophets and fulfills the longing of the angels.
(1 Pet 1:10-12)

"He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit. And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.... Behold, the Lamb of God."
(Jn 1:33-36)

Finally, with John the Baptist, the Holy Spirit begins the restoration to man of "the divine likeness," prefiguring what he would achieve with and in Christ.
John's baptism was for repentance; baptism in water and the Spirit will be a new birth."
(Jn 3:5)

http://old.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2c...

John The Baptist lived as a Jew and died a Jew.
There is no record of his being baptized a Christian.
Native from Pa

United States

#3 Aug 29, 2012
Idi
Why do you Catholics NOT understand the word CHURCH was in reference to the BODY OF BELIEVERS and NOT a denomination? The Catholic Church is a CHURCH DENOMINATION. John died a CHRISTIAN not a Jew he accepted Jesus as the MESSIAH THAT IS why he paved the way for him.
Why would he bring them to repentance if he did NOT believe Jesus was the only way to salvation?
Idi O Syncrasy wrote:
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Now Native, no Catholics have told you "EVERYONE WAS" A Catholic when Jesus walked tHe earth.
That's just plain foolish.
There were Jews and pagans until Jesus arrived and nearing the end of his earthly ministry he founded The Catholic Church with St.Peter as head bishop.
Now John The Baptist was a the last of the Old Testament Jewish prophets.
John baptised people and called them to repentence, not salvation, while he prepared the way for The Lord.
John was not associated with that Baptist Church, which didn't arrive on the scene until around the time they tried to justify slavery of the African in America by twisting scripture.
John the Baptist was the immediate precursor or herald of Jesus. John identified Jesus as the Messianic Lamb of God and baptized him in the Jordan River. With prophetic power, John gave witness to Jesus by his preaching, by the baptism of conversion he announced, and finally by his martyrdom.
""There was a man sent from God, whose name was John."
(Jn 1:6)
John was "filled with the Holy Spirit even from his mother's womb" by Christ himself, whom the Virgin Mary had just conceived by the Holy Spirit. Mary's visitation to Elizabeth thus became a visit from God to his people.
(Lk 1:15,41 & Lk 1:68)
John is "Elijah [who] must come." (Mt 17:10-13; cf. Lk 1:78)
The fire of the Spirit dwells in him and makes him the forerunner of the coming Lord. In John, the precursor, the Holy Spirit completes the work of "[making] ready a people prepared for the Lord."
(Lk 1:17)
John the Baptist is "more than a prophet." (Lk 7:26)
In him, the Holy Spirit concludes his speaking through the prophets. John completes the cycle of prophets begun by Elijah. He proclaims the imminence of the consolation of Israel; he is the "voice" of the Consoler who is coming.
(Mt 11:13-14 & Jn 1:23; cf. Isa 40:1-3)
As the Spirit of truth will also do, John "came to bear witness to the light."
(Jn 1:7; cf. Jn 15:26; 5:35)
In John's sight, the Spirit thus brings to completion the careful search of the prophets and fulfills the longing of the angels.
(1 Pet 1:10-12)
"He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit. And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.... Behold, the Lamb of God."
(Jn 1:33-36)
Finally, with John the Baptist, the Holy Spirit begins the restoration to man of "the divine likeness," prefiguring what he would achieve with and in Christ.
John's baptism was for repentance; baptism in water and the Spirit will be a new birth."
(Jn 3:5)
http://old.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2c...
John The Baptist lived as a Jew and died a Jew.
There is no record of his being baptized a Christian.
Sola Scriptura

Clarksburg, WV

#4 Aug 29, 2012
Idi O Syncrasy wrote:
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Now Native, no Catholics have told you "EVERYONE WAS" A Catholic when Jesus walked tHe earth.
That's just plain foolish.
There were Jews and pagans until Jesus arrived and nearing the end of his earthly ministry he founded The Catholic Church with St.Peter as head bishop.
.
I'll just stop your folishness right here and tell you, Jesus Christ did NOT leave His church in the hands of some fallible man. It was Peters CONFESSION that Christ built His church upon, NOT Peter.

Now go and rant and rave and post catholic apologetics. I've seen them all and every one is wrong.
Sola Scriptura

Clarksburg, WV

#5 Aug 29, 2012
Idi O Syncrasy wrote:
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John was not associated with that Baptist Church, which didn't arrive on the scene until around the time they tried to justify slavery of the African in America by twisting scripture.
.
And let me follow this little subtle jab with this. Why did the catholics turn a blind eye while Hitler exterminated millions of Jews?

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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#6 Aug 29, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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And let me follow this little subtle jab with this. Why did the catholics turn a blind eye while Hitler exterminated millions of Jews?
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
5. When did the American press first report on the “Final Solution”? &#8593;

The American press reported Nazi violence toward Jews as early as 1933, and by 1938, published reports of anti-Jewish measures such as the Nuremberg Laws, along with other incidents of antisemitic violence, had multiplied dramatically. In 1941, as the magnitude of anti-Jewish violence increased, newspapers began running descriptions of the Nazi mass murder of Jews, some even using the word "extermination" to refer to these large-scale killings. However, it wasn't until late 1942 that the American public received official confirmation of these reports. On November 24 of that year, Rabbi Stephen Wise disclosed in a press conference that the State Department had investigated and confirmed reports about the Nazis' extermination campaign against European Jews.
http://www.ushmm.org/research/library/faq/det...
Sola Scriptura

Clarksburg, WV

#8 Aug 29, 2012
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>5. When did the American press first report on the “Final Solution”? &#8593;
The American press reported Nazi violence toward Jews as early as 1933, and by 1938, published reports of anti-Jewish measures such as the Nuremberg Laws, along with other incidents of antisemitic violence, had multiplied dramatically. In 1941, as the magnitude of anti-Jewish violence increased, newspapers began running descriptions of the Nazi mass murder of Jews, some even using the word "extermination" to refer to these large-scale killings. However, it wasn't until late 1942 that the American public received official confirmation of these reports. On November 24 of that year, Rabbi Stephen Wise disclosed in a press conference that the State Department had investigated and confirmed reports about the Nazis' extermination campaign against European Jews.
http://www.ushmm.org/research/library/faq/det...
American press? When did the catholics in Germany know about it?

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#9 Aug 29, 2012
IMO, because he was chosen to baptize Christ.

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#10 Aug 29, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Alot of Catholics say that everyone was a Catholic during the time of Jesus yet that is NOT true. Why was John in the Bible called John the BAPTIST?
Seems Baptist existed also and I find it VERY interesting that JOHN THE BAPTIST baptized Jesus and NOT a Catholic.
That's right! Jesus was Jewish. Are you Jewish? If not, you must follow Paul.

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#11 Aug 29, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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American press? When did the catholics in Germany know about it?
Germany was and still is mostly Protestant.
Sola Scriptura

Clarksburg, WV

#12 Aug 29, 2012
tickedoffchic wrote:
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Germany was and still is mostly Protestant.
Oh, so there WERE no catholics in Germany at the time of the Holocaust? Really? Wasn't HITLER RAISED as a catholic?

And this is from WIKI!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_...

Adolf Hitler was raised by a Christian Catholic father and a devout Catholic mother; he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity.

And the term "Christian Catholic" wasn't used until the year 380 by Theodosius. Look it up. It is on page 102 of Byzantium, The Early Centuries, written by John Julius Norwich. Excellent work and well researched. Before then they were just called Christians.

I do more than just raed Topix.
Sola Scriptura

Clarksburg, WV

#13 Aug 29, 2012
tickedoffchic wrote:
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That's right! Jesus was Jewish. Are you Jewish? If not, you must follow Paul.
Jesus was God and all of His followers are Christians. So was Paul, no matter how you try to trash him.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Santa Fe, NM

#14 Aug 29, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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And let me follow this little subtle jab with this. Why did the catholics turn a blind eye while Hitler exterminated millions of Jews?
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
"The vindication of Pius XII has been established principally by Jewish writers and from Israeli archives. It is now established that the Pope supervised a rescue network which saved 860,000 Jewish lives - more than all the international agencies put together."
-- http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/a...

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Santa Fe, NM

#15 Aug 29, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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Oh, so there WERE no catholics in Germany at the time of the Holocaust? Really? Wasn't HITLER RAISED as a catholic?
And this is from WIKI!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_...
Adolf Hitler was raised by a Christian Catholic father and a devout Catholic mother; he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity.
And the term "Christian Catholic" wasn't used until the year 380 by Theodosius. Look it up. It is on page 102 of Byzantium, The Early Centuries, written by John Julius Norwich. Excellent work and well researched. Before then they were just called Christians.
I do more than just raed Topix.
The Nazi Party had a 'Luther Day' and used his anti-Semitic literature as propaganda. The Party had much more substantial support from the Protestants than from the Catholics.
http://www.johndclare.net/Weimar6_Geary.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_an...

"You should read what Luther said and wrote about the Jews. No judgment could be sharper."
-- Heinrich Himmler, coordinator of the Final Solution'

Martin Luther's 'On Jews and Their Lies'.

WARNING: This is a Notorious Antisemitic Document!

http://www.humanitas-international.org/showca...

http://books.google.com/books...
Sola Scriptura

Clarksburg, WV

#16 Aug 29, 2012
And someone gives me a nut sign. Must be some uneducated nut.
Sola Scriptura

Clarksburg, WV

#17 Aug 29, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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The Nazi Party had a 'Luther Day' and used his anti-Semitic literature as propaganda. The Party had much more substantial support from the Protestants than from the Catholics.
http://www.johndclare.net/Weimar6_Geary.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_an...
"You should read what Luther said and wrote about the Jews. No judgment could be sharper."
-- Heinrich Himmler, coordinator of the Final Solution'
Martin Luther's 'On Jews and Their Lies'.
WARNING: This is a Notorious Antisemitic Document!
http://www.humanitas-international.org/showca...
http://books.google.com/books...
So? Hitler was a catholic.

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#18 Aug 29, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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So? Hitler was a catholic.
At one time. He later rejected it.
Sola Scriptura

Clarksburg, WV

#19 Aug 29, 2012
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>At one time. He later rejected it.
SO, you admit he was not a Christian,,OR a catholic? Well, that's a good sign but it doesn't change the fact he used the catholic church. Many atheists SWEAR he was a Christian.

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#20 Aug 29, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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SO, you admit he was not a Christian,,OR a catholic? Well, that's a good sign but it doesn't change the fact he used the catholic church. Many atheists SWEAR he was a Christian.
It is my understanding that he was baptized Catholic but later in life rejected the faith.

Personally, I think Hitler had to be mentally ill.
Sola Scriptura

Clarksburg, WV

#21 Aug 29, 2012
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>It is my understanding that he was baptized Catholic but later in life rejected the faith.
Personally, I think Hitler had to be mentally ill.
I don't know. I actually think he thought the Aryian race would conquer the world and when he saw it couldn't, he killed himself rather than face the firing squad.

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