Pope says: Church shouldnt focus on G...
lol

Welch, WV

#22 Sep 20, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>I like to be as correct as possible - plus I know many others are only waiting to pounce on my typos...and while I often do the same its typically when I can see its not an actual typo but what the post'r intended to use...
I enjoy writing, and take pride in being as precise as possible when writing on the fly like this...call me crazy, but I find proper grammar and a real grasp of vocabulary a major turn-on. I think its does everyone a disservice to not make a real effort for better communication in the written word.
Plus I think its important for people to know what the speaker is saying, not what they might think he/she might be saying...which is the entire problem with the Bible. Loosey goosey language and subsequent translations and most of all interpretations.
But when someone has nothing to say, like you, why wrestle with correct grammar?
lol

Welch, WV

#23 Sep 20, 2013
This pope is everything the secularists and gays have been waiting for. He isn't concerned with morality or the Word of God and neither are they. This pope just continues the saga of the Catholic Church. Get as many pew-sitters as he can for the unholy RCC. More money for them. DO all Catholics agree with him? The un-Godly ones on this forum seem to think so but not all Catholics agree.

This pope seems to think that the CHURCH, and not GOD, sets the rules. God set the rules about homosexuals and abortionists long ago. While the Church, and I'm not talking about the Catholic Church, SHOULD be compassionate toward ALL sinners it CANNOT allow PRACTICING sinners to come in without repentance. Gays want the exact OPPOSITE, to be allowed in WHILE PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALITY.

The Church was called to COME OUT OF THE WORLD, not allow the world in the Church.

Yes, the secularists will LOVE this pope and no wonder. He hasn't the guts to stand up to them.
lol

Welch, WV

#24 Sep 20, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>What the fact that the majority of U.S. Catholics support SSM is a reflection of being an American and supporting equal rights for all, as our Constitution states, defends, and protects.
God does NOT support SSM but you little arrogant Catholics couldn't care less about God, could you?
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#25 Sep 20, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
You have some valid points.
But remember, Jesus came reaching out to those that need help.
Good Pope Francis is renewing that calling;
“I see the church as a field hospital after battle,
” Francis said.“It is useless to ask a seriously injured person if he has high cholesterol and about the level of his blood sugars. You have to heal his wounds. Then we can talk about everything else.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/world/europ...
First thing first, stem the bleeding before trying to change the socks they're wearing.
Jesus loves us all.
Francis is on the right track, but you RC's better hope (and pray, lol) the backwards looking inner circles of the RCC don't beat him back.

Here's the rub - from my POV of course - most Xtians, especially Fundy American Evangelical shove their faith in your face types do not have any real triage skills! Most are in no position to make the call as to who or why anyone might need help and what might be the best response.

As I have repeated many times, and will continue to do - American Fundy Evangelicals are nothing but finger-pointers, pointing at those they deem in the way of their (the Fundy) being a better Xtian. These types of Xtians have made their Faith mostly about what others are doing or not, and NOT what they (Fundys) are doing or not. Their so-called work is focused outwards and rarely if ever inwards. Looking inwards and really dealing with their issues seems to escape them. Thinking all they need do is recite an incantation -the "Name It! and Claim It!" types - and they're fixed.

If I'm limping a little and a "stranger" approaches me and asks if I need help and I say no, do not then force, rather badger assistance on me. Do not follow me and insist that "you" (not you personally, Cisco) have the right and ONLY proper assistance, and that I should take it or be condemned to limp for the remainder of my life.

Too many Fundy American Xtians, like many here, have no skills to determine my/others spiritual health and most certainly do not have the Rights (as they too frequently claim) or let alone the skills they insist they have, and that their target must take their assistance/advice or be damned!

There's a term the above described Xtians like to bandy about, discernment, to be discerning...well IMO, none of them posses that ability, or have made any real attempts to nurture it...thinking because they believe as they do its automatically infused into them...all in the instant of their conversion, or re-conversion, or born again incident.

A good lesson for most of them is ages old advice; clean up your own house, fix your own self and make damn sure you have done the work, the truly personal hard work and then some, before you go off trying to treat others problems. Least of all by being a jerk-off.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#26 Sep 20, 2013
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
God does NOT support SSM but you little arrogant Catholics couldn't care less about God, could you?
Who cares, your God doesn't write our civil laws. And the Bible is most certainly NOT a source text for them...!

You lose, again!
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#27 Sep 20, 2013
lol wrote:
This pope is everything the secularists and gays have been waiting for. He isn't concerned with morality or the Word of God and neither are they. This pope just continues the saga of the Catholic Church. Get as many pew-sitters as he can for the unholy RCC. More money for them. DO all Catholics agree with him? The un-Godly ones on this forum seem to think so but not all Catholics agree.
This pope seems to think that the CHURCH, and not GOD, sets the rules. God set the rules about homosexuals and abortionists long ago. While the Church, and I'm not talking about the Catholic Church, SHOULD be compassionate toward ALL sinners it CANNOT allow PRACTICING sinners to come in without repentance. Gays want the exact OPPOSITE, to be allowed in WHILE PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALITY.
The Church was called to COME OUT OF THE WORLD, not allow the world in the Church.
Yes, the secularists will LOVE this pope and no wonder. He hasn't the guts to stand up to them.
You wouldn't know moral-ethical behavior if it slithered up your leg and bit your sack! If you have a sack...

If an alcoholic struggles with their addiction, are they not to enter a Church till they've beaten it? Or can they come in during their time of struggle? Or what if they are not trying to beat it back, but over time of going to Church they see they should? And then make the changes!

Is worship limited to only those who have beaten back all their sins? For the prefect? Cant someone go to Church and be inspired - by The Word - to change, what they once thought was acceptable behavior?

What you do, like most narrow minded Xtians, who couldn't think your way out a lighted hallway with an exit sign on one end, is forget that YOU WERE A SINNER and REMAIN ONE (before, during and after your alleged born again incident)- but expect everyone else to be pure and all cleaned up before they come into your Church...which apparently is only built for the perfect devotees, which you think is you!

Believers like you have one code. Do what I'm told is right (by babbling immoral priests and preachers)and not do what IS right!

Why is it I, the atheist, knows more about your Faith and Religion then so-called Believers like you! How come I know a Church is for the SINNERS to come to, to seek insight...and not a place where only the most perfect and cleansed of sin are allowed?

You are the exact people Jesus warned everyone to be wary of...
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#28 Sep 20, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>You wouldn't know moral-ethical behavior if it slithered up your leg and bit your sack! If you have a sack...
If an alcoholic struggles with their addiction, are they not to enter a Church till they've beaten it? Or can they come in during their time of struggle? Or what if they are not trying to beat it back, but over time of going to Church they see they should? And then make the changes!
Is worship limited to only those who have beaten back all their sins? For the prefect? Cant someone go to Church and be inspired - by The Word - to change, what they once thought was acceptable behavior?
What you do, like most narrow minded Xtians, who couldn't think your way out a lighted hallway with an exit sign on one end, is forget that YOU WERE A SINNER and REMAIN ONE (before, during and after your alleged born again incident)- but expect everyone else to be pure and all cleaned up before they come into your Church...which apparently is only built for the perfect devotees, which you think is you!
Believers like you have one code. Do what I'm told is right (by babbling immoral priests and preachers)and not do what IS right!
Why is it I, the atheist, knows more about your Faith and Religion then so-called Believers like you! How come I know a Church is for the SINNERS to come to, to seek insight...and not a place where only the most perfect and cleansed of sin are allowed?
You are the exact people Jesus warned everyone to be wary of...
Forgot to add -

Me; "Cant someone go to Church and be inspired - by The Word - to change, what they once thought was acceptable behavior?"

Add; That if what you say, The Word/s of your God is all powerful and if truly listened to and truly heard, that it will wake people from their sins? That if someone allows The Word in, and listens, be it in the short or long term, it will inspire them to cease what are deemed (all by Humans speaking for this God) sins, offenses to this God?

Why must someone come to Church fully formed as a Xtian? Cant the in the process Xtians come too? Cant the belligerent come in and listen? Cant The Word of this God do its magic in ways not approved by YOU and those like you...?

If a Gay man is compelled to go to church, any church, can't he go? Even if he currently believes that his love-choices are acceptable and part of this Gods plan? Cant your God show him, anyone with any other "sin-affliction" in his own way, in his own time?

Or must everyone go thru your - lol's - screening process to go to church?

Don't you (you lol) think there are people sitting besides you in church (do you regularly go to a church?) who are not repentant for their sins....yet?

Don't you think some people come to various conclusions, over time, that something they do, or never really thought about that they do, is wrong and should be dealt with...? Eventually repented for..?

Or must everyone be screened for absolute cleanliness for admittance? That Churches are only filled with the absolute sin-free, fully repentant of all sins and offenses...? People like you, lol...? The perfect?

Sure sounds like that's what you believe...!

Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#29 Sep 20, 2013
Repentance is BETWEEN the God and worshiper. Not the worshiper and the Conmmunity of Believers. This is no longer the days of Scarlet letters, or the locks and stocks of the Puritanical days. That is what the FF's were fleeing!

Even if some of the early American colonists, the Puritans, etc - did do X, or Y to people in their Religious Community does not make it the LAW of the Land!

"The Church", any of them, has no say in the repentance condition of any of its Community sinners, and most certainly has no say, and should not any influence over those outside their Religious Community!

Xtianity has always tried to be the Judge, Jury and Executioner for their God! And American Fundy Evangelical Born-Again and again...Xtians are the worst reformed drunks to have ever walked the earth!

Smug, self-righteous SOB's, strutting around wearing their New-fresher faith on their sleeves, pointing fingers at everyone else. Like self-righteous Reformed drunks who poke and badger everyone who never had a drinking problem, but have one because that self-righteous reformed drunk says they do!

Now we see the price of admission is a full repentance from anyone in the state of Sin, and sinning!

But of course this rule is expressed by the biggest bunch of sinning d-bags to have breathed! Self-righteous, self-appointed Enforcers of their Gods rule and PUNISHMENTS! Why do they even need a God? They've co-opted his main job! The Punisher! Forget his immense power to forgive and allegedly apparent willingness to forgive - forget all that! He cant even punish anyone anymore! Its the job of these self-righteous, Fresher-Newer-Better American Fundy Xtians who will gladly take care of that too!

Need a God? No, not me, I'm an Americn Fundy Xtian, I am the penultimate, the pinnacle of Xtian righteousness, to have ever tread this planet!

Their God is allegedly in the Forgiveness business, but his base, his admirers are in the Punishment biz!
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#30 Sep 21, 2013
lol cant muster a reply...he knows I got him by the short hairs...
Punisher

Brooklyn, NY

#31 Sep 22, 2013
still our old buddy "lol" is no where to be seen...
WakeUp

Tinley Park, IL

#32 Sep 22, 2013
Punisher wrote:
Plus you missed the real point of the Pope. He was actually saying that Xtians have to stop obsessing over sexual behaviors (of everyone else) as that's not the WHOLE of the Religion or Faith...as it appears to be with you and those like you.
Sexual whatever is by far the least of our, the society's concerns and worries in 2013...!
Yeah, the religious hypocrites are always pointing to everyone else's sins and ignoring their own.

Reminds me of the story in the bible where the religious hypocrites drag a woman caught in sexual sin before Jesus hoping to stone her to death.

Anyone of you bible scholars remember what he said?

Instead of obsessing over your neighbors sexual sins, why not focus on your own sins of hate and intolerance?
Truthsayer777

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#33 Sep 22, 2013
WakeUp wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, the religious hypocrites are always pointing to everyone else's sins and ignoring their own.
Reminds me of the story in the bible where the religious hypocrites drag a woman caught in sexual sin before Jesus hoping to stone her to death.
Anyone of you bible scholars remember what he said?
Instead of obsessing over your neighbors sexual sins, why not focus on your own sins of hate and intolerance?
Hatred of sin is not a sin. Why not focus upon your only hope of salvation?

www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...
Tall Guy

Atlanta, GA

#34 Sep 22, 2013
Homosexuality and Gay marriages still needs to be addressed by the Church like any other sins, but Christians need to stop putting sins on a pedestal and making one higher than another.

Homosexuality and Gay marriage are a abomination not recognized by God, so they are sins that need to be repented off like any other sins, so to all the atheists and unbelievers on here, GET OVER IT!!! Your opinion doesnt matter, its what God demands it what matters!!!

The body of Christ are folks that repented of their sins and are following him, not somewhere where you throw your unrepentant lifestyle in everyone else face like gays do.
Punisher

Brooklyn, NY

#35 Sep 22, 2013
WakeUp wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, the religious hypocrites are always pointing to everyone else's sins and ignoring their own.
Reminds me of the story in the bible where the religious hypocrites drag a woman caught in sexual sin before Jesus hoping to stone her to death.
Anyone of you bible scholars remember what he said?
Instead of obsessing over your neighbors sexual sins, why not focus on your own sins of hate and intolerance?
Good point, which points to the quicksand Xtians stand on when discussing the NEW Covenant of Jesus. His NEW covenant includes this very idea, "you are not qualified to be the judges of others, certainly not to murder anyone when you too are drenched in sin equal to or worse than this female" - which was a part of the OLD covenant rules and regulations...which in his NEW covenant Jesus allegedly, according to Xtians, superseded...which is why they can now eat Bacon and fried shrimp till their arteries harden...

BTW, this passage is not considered to be original to John. It was added much later...by some monk transcribing texts...and while its a good moral lesson, its not original, nor part of what Jesus is alleged to have actually said...

Another point to remember, is that 1st century Jews didnt care about toleration of anyone BUT other Jews. Being hospitable, etc, was about other Jews...no one else.

There's a false belief among most Xtains, especially modern American Proty Xtians, that these 1CE Jews were mostly just like Xtians in that they were charitable to all people, were worried about the states of sin of all peoples - they were not! It was all Jew, all the time...they cared nothing about the spiritual condition of the non-Jews, the Romans etc...their God was about them and they were about their God.

Which remarkably at the time the Romans respected...they went so far as to issue money specifically for the Jews to use that bore no graven images...
Punisher

Brooklyn, NY

#36 Sep 22, 2013
WakeUp wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, the religious hypocrites are always pointing to everyone else's sins and ignoring their own.
Reminds me of the story in the bible where the religious hypocrites drag a woman caught in sexual sin before Jesus hoping to stone her to death.
Anyone of you bible scholars remember what he said?
Instead of obsessing over your neighbors sexual sins, why not focus on your own sins of hate and intolerance?
Xtainity as its practiced in this modern era by American Xtians is strictly ALL about finger-pointing. Its other people, even on the other sides of the nation that get in the way of the American Xtians ability to be a better, more devout Xtian. Its never themselves in their own way...its everyone else...!

Its certainly been a theme thru Xtian history to point at others, but never before has the mantle of practice been all focused outward as it is now. Its the gays, its the liberals, the fascists and socialists, the abortionists, the NWO, the World Bank, the educated elites, the West Coast Jews in Hollywood, the Jew bankers in NYC, atheist Evo-worshipers on the school boards...

American Proty Fundy Xtians are not Xtian for their own sakes, its for everyone else's sake...or so they believe...
WakeUp

Tinley Park, IL

#37 Sep 22, 2013
Truthsayer777 wrote:
<quoted text>Hatred of sin is not a sin. Why not focus upon your only hope of salvation?
www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...
I'd argue that most here hate the sinner more than the sin.

And that is a sin.
Punisher

Brooklyn, NY

#38 Sep 22, 2013
Tall Guy wrote:
Homosexuality and Gay marriages still needs to be addressed by the Church like any other sins, but Christians need to stop putting sins on a pedestal and making one higher than another.
Homosexuality and Gay marriage are a abomination not recognized by God, so they are sins that need to be repented off like any other sins, so to all the atheists and unbelievers on here, GET OVER IT!!! Your opinion doesnt matter, its what God demands it what matters!!!
The body of Christ are folks that repented of their sins and are following him, not somewhere where you throw your unrepentant lifestyle in everyone else face like gays do.
No to all of the above. Its that's simple. No! I reject your silly notion of sin, as its nothing but an offense against your Imaginary God. He doesn't exist, anymore than any of them do, and as such I do not live by "his" or any of their leaves.

And it makes me laugh this notion that you Xtians are now repented and clean of your sins...where you all get this anti-scriptural idea that you are cleansed of sin because you performed some rituals or speak some "Name it, Claim it!" rhetoric escapes me and its wholly laughable!

You are still "sinners" (trans; as jerks of epic size) each and every day. So get over yourselves, you do not get to determine the lifestyles and beliefs of others! Period.

Plus your silly book is not source material for our civil legislation and court system. Yeah, that's right, get over yourselves!
Punisher

Brooklyn, NY

#39 Sep 22, 2013
Tall Guy wrote:
Homosexuality and Gay marriages still needs to be addressed by the Church like any other sins, but Christians need to stop putting sins on a pedestal and making one higher than another.
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American Fundy Xtians have to stop believing they are the Judge, Jury and Executioner. In other words they/you need to stop BEING their GOD. Which is what most of you do...act like you're the God.

You have no special insight, no special knowledge, and certainly no "powers" derived from your Idol of worship...the Bible.
Punisher

Brooklyn, NY

#40 Sep 22, 2013
Truthsayer777 wrote:
<quoted text>Hatred of sin is not a sin. Why not focus upon your only hope of salvation?
www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...
stop trying to shill that silly pamphlet...!
WakeUp

Tinley Park, IL

#41 Sep 22, 2013
1 Corinthians 13

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels,

but have not love,

I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

And if I have prophetic powers,

and understand all mysteries and all knowledge,

and if I have all faith,

so as to remove mountains,

but have not love,

I am nothing.

If I give away all I have,

and if I deliver my body to be burned,

but have not love,

I gain nothing.

Love is patient and kind;

love is not jealous or boastful;

it is not arrogant or rude.

Love does not insist on its own way;

it is not irritable or resentful;

it does not rejoice at wrong,

but rejoices in the right.

Love bears all things, believes all things,

hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never ends;

as for prophecies, they will pass away;

as for tongues, they will cease;

as for knowledge, it will pass away.

For our knowledge is imperfect and our prophecy is imperfect;

but when the perfect comes, the imperfect will pass away.

When I was a child, I spoke like a child,

I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child;

when I became a man, I gave up childish ways.

For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face.

Now I know in part;

then I shall understand fully,

even as I have been fully understood.

So faith, hope, love abide, these three;

but the greatest of these is love.

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