How can any intelligent person claim ...
IamHim

United States

#30 Feb 23, 2013
nc resident wrote:
<quoted text> I believe God forgives people's actions based on how he created them.
That would mean that everyone would be forgiven which if you believe in Jesus, would not be the case.

So again I ask, do you think that God Almighty created people to be destroyed and others to be saved?
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#32 Feb 23, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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That would mean that everyone would be forgiven which if you believe in Jesus, would not be the case.
So again I ask, do you think that God Almighty created people to be destroyed and others to be saved?
...so that none shall perish...
IamHim

United States

#35 Feb 23, 2013
nc resident wrote:
<quoted text>
...so that none shall perish...
How is this an answer to my question?
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#36 Feb 23, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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How is this an answer to my question?
forming a question to try to trick someone is something Satan does. This scripture answers your question fully.
IamHim

United States

#39 Feb 23, 2013
Trick you into what? What is hard about the question "Did God Almighty make certain people to be destroyed and certain people to be saved"? Whats the trick in that? Especially if (according to you) he made the murderer a murderer and the sinner a sinner.
IamHim

United States

#40 Feb 23, 2013
And technically the answer scripture provides to me is YES He did create some people to be destroyed and some to be saved. That is if He was telling the truth when He said that He knew beginning from end and this proverbs 16:4 verse is correct:

The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#41 Feb 23, 2013
IamHim wrote:
And technically the answer scripture provides to me is YES He did create some people to be destroyed and some to be saved. That is if He was telling the truth when He said that He knew beginning from end and this proverbs 16:4 verse is correct:
The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.
Maybe the difference is that you view sin as evil and not human. I have yet to meet a Christian who no longer sins.
IamHim

United States

#42 Feb 23, 2013
nc resident wrote:
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Maybe the difference is that you view sin as evil and not human. I have yet to meet a Christian who no longer sins.
It doesnt matter how you or I view sin. It matters what the One who put ALL THINGS into place, it matters what this ONE thinks about sin. And according to the bible, He doesnt like it. Therefore I will stick with His view on sin over mine and yours.

By the way this doesnt mean He expects us perfect. But He does expect us to eventually overcome our sins.
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#45 Feb 23, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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It doesnt matter how you or I view sin. It matters what the One who put ALL THINGS into place, it matters what this ONE thinks about sin. And according to the bible, He doesnt like it. Therefore I will stick with His view on sin over mine and yours.
By the way this doesnt mean He expects us perfect. But He does expect us to eventually overcome our sins.
No, God does not like sin. sin separates us from God..
I don't believe God expects anything... he knows who will and who won't overcome sin. I believe when we meet "face to face" we will be held accountable and purged of our sins.
IamHim

United States

#46 Feb 23, 2013
Prepare wrote:
<quoted text>The problem is always "understanding", which is never God's issue.
Elaborate if you dont mind
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#47 Feb 23, 2013
Prepare wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, either you plan to be in hell or you expect your sin to be in heaven.
actually neither.
IamHim

United States

#48 Feb 23, 2013
nc resident wrote:
<quoted text> No, God does not like sin. sin separates us from God..
I don't believe God expects anything... he knows who will and who won't overcome sin. I believe when we meet "face to face" we will be held accountable and purged of our sins.
So you believe that all will be forgiven?
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#49 Feb 23, 2013
IamHim wrote:
<quoted text>
So you believe that all will be forgiven?
I believe that is at God's discretion, not mine, not yours.
IamHim

United States

#50 Feb 23, 2013
nc resident wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe that is at God's discretion, not mine, not yours.
I agree. Fact is, that Jesus disagreed with this notion that all will be forgiven and so did God Almighty in the OT. Could He change His mind? Sure. Scripture just doesnt support it
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#51 Feb 23, 2013
It seems some want others damned for sins but not themselves for their sins. Do you thinkk God forgave Judas?
IamHim

United States

#52 Feb 23, 2013
nc resident wrote:
It seems some want others damned for sins but not themselves for their sins. Do you think God forgave Judas?
I want God Almighty's will to be done. If His will is to forgive EVERYONE than so be it. I dont think that is fair because some people have made the truth EXTREMELY hard to come by and oppress others by the institution of oppressive systems that keep people dependent on men instead of themselves. Nonetheless if that is His will (to forgive everyone) than so be it. Im just telling you that this belief doesnt go with what Jesus said (who you believe in) or with what God Almighty said.

Its possible that God forgave Judas if Judas asked for forgiveness or if that was what Judas was supposed to do. He killed himself though, so maybe not. But its not up to me and theres nothing that the NT says about it
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#53 Feb 23, 2013
IamHim wrote:
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I want God Almighty's will to be done. If His will is to forgive EVERYONE than so be it. I dont think that is fair because some people have made the truth EXTREMELY hard to come by and oppress others by the institution of oppressive systems that keep people dependent on men instead of themselves. Nonetheless if that is His will (to forgive everyone) than so be it. Im just telling you that this belief doesnt go with what Jesus said (who you believe in) or with what God Almighty said.
Its possible that God forgave Judas if Judas asked for forgiveness or if that was what Judas was supposed to do. He killed himself though, so maybe not. But its not up to me and theres nothing that the NT says about it
what is fair? Matthew 20
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#54 Feb 23, 2013
God's war is with Satan, not man. We are his children not his enemies.
IamHim

United States

#55 Feb 23, 2013
nc resident wrote:
<quoted text>
what is fair? Matthew 20
Has nothing to do with what we're discussing.
IamHim

United States

#56 Feb 23, 2013
nc resident wrote:
God's war is with Satan, not man. We are his children not his enemies.
Some people choose to be children of Satan over God Almighty. Therefore His war would be with them as well. Nonetheless no one "wars" with God Almighty. He can do as He wishes without hindrance so how could one actually war with Him?

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